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When you have advisers, you need to take their advice and listen Willie or don't have advisers. I didn't say he needed to do what Mattis wanted him to do but ignoring advice from a guy like Mattis when Trump has zero experience in defense matters is just ignorant.

supposedly , Trump told Mattis that he wanted to get out of Syria on 6 months , a few months back.. apparently , Mattis made that more difficult after Trump wanted this done.. maybe Trump isn't the bad guy here.. Wouldn't shock me if this was true.. like Willie said . you don't have to take the advice and act on it.. This isn't Mattis foreign policy , its Trumps.
 

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supposedly , Trump told Mattis that he wanted to get out of Syria on 6 months , a few months back.. apparently , Mattis made that more difficult after Trump wanted this done.. maybe Trump isn't the bad guy here.. Wouldn't shock me if this was true.. like Willie said . you don't have to take the advice and act on it.. This isn't Mattis foreign policy , its Trumps.

Cool. Then if it goes wrong, he has to own the consequences. That's all.

There's more to it though. Guess Mattis pushed hard for Gen. Goldfein to take over the Chairman of the Joints Chief job when Dunford announced his retirement and Trump ignored him and went with Gen. Milley instead. So again, it's Trump's decision....got it but there's only so many times a guy like Mattis is going to offer advice and be ignored before he punches and that's exactly what happened.
 

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Cool. Then if it goes wrong, he has to own the consequences. That's all.

There's more to it though. Guess Mattis pushed hard for Gen. Goldfein to take over the Chairman of the Joints Chief job when Dunford announced his retirement and Trump ignored him and went with Gen. Milley instead. So again, it's Trump's decision....got it but there's only so many times a guy like Mattis is going to offer advice and be ignored before he punches and that's exactly what happened.

If someone disobeyed my order to get out Of Syria in 6 months , by making it tougher to do that , not sure I would take his advice either.. works both ways
 

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If someone disobeyed my order to get out Of Syria in 6 months , by making it tougher to do that , not sure I would take his advice either.. works both ways

We don't know this is true unless you have concrete evidence to support that claim.
 

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[FONT=&quot] Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 27m27 minutes agoMore


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[FONT=&quot]When President Obama ingloriously fired Jim Mattis, I gave him a second chance. Some thought I shouldn’t, I thought I should. Interesting relationship-but I also gave all of the resources that he never really had. Allies are very important-but not when they take advantage of U.S.


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When you have advisers, you need to take their advice and listen Willie or don't have advisers. I didn't say he needed to do what Mattis wanted him to do but ignoring advice from a guy like Mattis when Trump has zero experience in defense matters is just ignorant.


Advisers give advice, they don't make the decision. I know you understand that concept. As for experience, it seems to me as if Mattis was an advocate for everything being status quo on all these international matters. From Iran, to Afghanistan, to Jerusalem, to NK.......... , well Trump is not that guy and since the status quo has been failing for decades I appreciate a change of direction. I happen to think dishonorong the Iranian deal was smart, I think Trump is winning in NK, I think he's making real progress in the ME through Jared, I know he gave the million strong Syrian refugees their homes back when most of the world though the solution was to bring 10,000 of them here, I love getting out of bad trade seals even if it makes our allies mad, so I'm all in on the Trump doctrine.

Draining the swamp takes a lot of strength, the resistance is strong

Most of the fucking idiots complaining about Mattis leaving were complaining about Trump hiring him after Obama fired him, their opinions are worthless to me. I'm a bottom line guy, I like results, and every prediction about Trump fucking something up as been proven wrong this far.
 

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Advisers give advice, they don't make the decision. I know you understand that concept. As for experience, it seems to me as if Mattis was an advocate for everything being status quo on all these international matters. From Iran, to Afghanistan, to Jerusalem, to NK.......... , well Trump is not that guy and since the status quo has been failing for decades I appreciate a change of direction. I happen to think dishonorong the Iranian deal was smart, I think Trump is winning in NK, I think he's making real progress in the ME through Jared, I know he gave the million strong Syrian refugees their homes back when most of the world though the solution was to bring 10,000 of them here, I love getting out of bad trade seals even if it makes our allies mad, so I'm all in on the Trump doctrine.

Draining the swamp takes a lot of strength, the resistance is strong

Most of the fucking idiots complaining about Mattis leaving were complaining about Trump hiring him after Obama fired him, their opinions are worthless to me. I'm a bottom line guy, I like results, and every prediction about Trump fucking something up as been proven wrong this far.
Agree with you on most things. But, if you are trying to "drain the swamp", why would you appoint a war mongering idiot like John Bolton. He has been a disaster his entire tenure in Washington. JMO.
 

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Advisers give advice, they don't make the decision. I know you understand that concept. As for experience, it seems to me as if Mattis was an advocate for everything being status quo on all these international matters. From Iran, to Afghanistan, to Jerusalem, to NK.......... , well Trump is not that guy and since the status quo has been failing for decades I appreciate a change of direction. I happen to think dishonorong the Iranian deal was smart, I think Trump is winning in NK, I think he's making real progress in the ME through Jared, I know he gave the million strong Syrian refugees their homes back when most of the world though the solution was to bring 10,000 of them here, I love getting out of bad trade seals even if it makes our allies mad, so I'm all in on the Trump doctrine.

Draining the swamp takes a lot of strength, the resistance is strong

Most of the fucking idiots complaining about Mattis leaving were complaining about Trump hiring him after Obama fired him, their opinions are worthless to me. I'm a bottom line guy, I like results, and every prediction about Trump fucking something up as been proven wrong this far.

Haha, Mattis is part of the swamp. Ok.

At some point Willie, it's ok to go against the great Donald Trump. I like a lot of what he's doing too but he's not infallible. He doesn't take the advice of any of his advisers and if he's not going to do that then just don't have advisers.
 

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Haha, Mattis is part of the swamp. Ok.

At some point Willie, it's ok to go against the great Donald Trump. I like a lot of what he's doing too but he's not infallible. He doesn't take the advice of any of his advisers and if he's not going to do that then just don't have advisers.

I find it 10x more fascinating that trump yesterday publicly stated, "Brett McGurk, a man I do not know......resigned..."
 

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Agree with you on most things. But, if you are trying to "drain the swamp", why would you appoint a war mongering idiot like John Bolton. He has been a disaster his entire tenure in Washington. JMO.

Who in DC likes John Bolton? That's a big part of his appeal to me :), and that does not make him part of their inner circle (the swamp)
 

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Haha, Mattis is part of the swamp. Ok.

At some point Willie, it's ok to go against the great Donald Trump. I like a lot of what he's doing too but he's not infallible. He doesn't take the advice of any of his advisers and if he's not going to do that then just don't have advisers.

Mattis was an advocate for the status quo on every significant issue the media tells us about, hence the swamp reference

When a Trump policy actually fails and he's proven wrong, I will call a spade a spade. In the meantime, I can't respect any doom and gloom prediction about him making some cataclysmic decision. They're batting .000 to date, without so much as making contact for a foul tip.

It's OK you think Trump should defer his judgement to Mattis, I don't. Mattis said it all in his letter, although I don't think his words have the same meaning the fucking idiots do. "I think the President deserves a secretary that shares his views". I totally agree, and if Mattis doesn't want to implement the decisions of the Commander in Chief, he should resign and he did.

It's not really rocket science, and don't use some appeal to higher authority argument with me. Willie don't buy that game
 

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Defense Secretary Jim 'Mad Dog' Mattis is OUT on January 1 - two months earlier than planned - as angry Trump orders him gone after resignation letter is seen as rebuke of his presidency

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President Donald Trump will push Defense Secretary James Mattis out of his administration on January 1 amid anger at how Mattis' resignation letter was seen as a rebuke of his presidency. Mattis was supposed to remain on the job until Feb. 28. Deputy Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan will be named as acting secretary.

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Mattis was an advocate for the status quo on every significant issue the media tells us about, hence the swamp reference

When a Trump policy actually fails and he's proven wrong, I will call a spade a spade. In the meantime, I can't respect any doom and gloom prediction about him making some cataclysmic decision. They're batting .000 to date, without so much as making contact for a foul tip.

It's OK you think Trump should defer his judgement to Mattis, I don't. Mattis said it all in his letter, although I don't think his words have the same meaning the fucking idiots do. "I think the President deserves a secretary that shares his views". I totally agree, and if Mattis doesn't want to implement the decisions of the Commander in Chief, he should resign and he did.

It's not really rocket science, and don't use some appeal to higher authority argument with me. Willie don't buy that game

Throw all your defense eggs in a guy that's never served and has no defense experience and doesn't take the advice of those that have. Really smart.
 

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Experience in the political arena is a worthless pile of shit to me, and I've been saying that for decades. I want term limits, I want new blood, I think experience is what lurks at the very bottom of the swamp. I think the more experience uou have in the political arena, the more worthless you are (general rule, with exceptions, no pun intended)

Experience in the military arena is another story, and I'm pretty sure there's tons of that still available to POTUS. Mattis was holding a political position Many, if not most people who held this position have had NO MILITARY background. I think Mattis may be the first former general to hold that position. I remember libtard nation complaining about Trump appointing a war monger to the position, and how he was unqualified because Obama had fired him. Now they love him of course, because they have no foundation, they're literally dust in the wind.

I understand you think a military man is right for the position, and I like Mattis too. I'm pointing out the inconsistencies and lying hypocrisy of libtard nation, they have no soul. I'm pointing out that it's OK for cabinet members to leave, it's not some catastrophic event until proven otherwise which I trust won't happen. And I'm pointing out that it's unusual, not the norm, for a military man to hold that position to begin with.
 

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Experience in the political arena is a worthless pile of shit to me, and I've been saying that for decades. I want term limits, I want new blood, I think experience is what lurks at the very bottom of the swamp. I think the more experience uou have in the political arena, the more worthless you are (general rule, with exceptions, no pun intended)

Experience in the military arena is another story, and I'm pretty sure there's tons of that still available to POTUS. Mattis was holding a political position Many, if not most people who held this position have had NO MILITARY background. I think Mattis may be the first former general to hold that position. I remember libtard nation complaining about Trump appointing a war monger to the position, and how he was unqualified because Obama had fired him. Now they love him of course, because they have no foundation, they're literally dust in the wind.

I understand you think a military man is right for the position, and I like Mattis too. I'm pointing out the inconsistencies and lying hypocrisy of libtard nation, they have no soul. I'm pointing out that it's OK for cabinet members to leave, it's not some catastrophic event until proven otherwise which I trust won't happen. And I'm pointing out that it's unusual, not the norm, for a military man to hold that position to begin with.

And I'm simply pointing out if Trump has advisers, it's kind of smart to take their advice once in awhile or simply don't have advisers. Like him or not, Jeff Sessions had more law knowledge in his pink finger than Trump had in his entire body and the guy was ridiculed and embarrassed on a daily basis. I'm talking about the way he treats people. It's disrespectful and embarrassing. It's simply not what that position is supposed to be about.

Like his policies but hate everything that goes along with it. The theatrics drive me insane.
 
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And I'm simply pointing out if Trump has advisers, it's kind of smart to take their advice once in awhile or simply don't have advisers. Like him or not, Jeff Sessions had more law knowledge in his pink finger than Trump had in his entire body and the guy was ridiculed and embarrassed on a daily basis. I'm talking about the way he treats people. It's disrespectful and embarrassing. It's simply not what that position is supposed to be about.

Like his policies but hate everything that goes along with it. The theatrics drive me insane.

6 months into his Presidency, I said the exact same thing about Trump but it doesn’t matter to the Trump faithful. He acts exactly like most of the Republicans here which is why they love him and don’t care how disrespectful he is. I’m not against his policies but I am against the way he tries to enact them. I said 6 months in that if he doesn’t keep his mouth shut and just do his job he would lose votes. Tick tock.
 

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