If I could have managed the Clock if the 4th QTR for Baylor I win by 13. WTF were they doing the have the ball with under 3 mins left and Mich St. has 1 time out left. Baylor throws incomplete twice and snaps the ball with 15 secs Plus on the Play clock 3 times.. Just Stupid. I could have taken 3 knees and Punted it back to Mich St and they would have had less the 20 secs left on there own 20. I thought it was Commical.. Baylor is suppose to be a smart school.. WOW
So your beef is with Baylor, not MSU. I'm not going to justify what Baylor did, but as an general example shotgun team isn't all of the sudden going to go under center just because it's inside the 5 yardline. Baylor is on the extreme end of running a fast-break offense, maybe it isn't their nature to slow it down?
Then they will lose games like this again. Inside of 5 mins you have to adjust you have to take in to affect Timeouts and Play clock.. I am not saying Baylor doesn't play like this all the time. What I am saying is if they would have run the Play clock down and run the time off I would have the Tropy in Texas this Morning..
very naive question and i haven't done the statistical work, but i think sagarin at one point had SEC West as 5 of top 6 or 7 teams in country. and i think that was after the point where only games this season count (i.e. no longer used subjective pre-season ratings... pre-season ratings might be objective - end of previous years - but semi-useless nonetheless.)..... have to go back and see who these teams played early on to attain such prominence.
more general thought. is there really enough meaningful interconference games in regular season to make power ratings only based on games played (not preseason ratings) meaningful?
more general thought. is there really enough meaningful interconference games in regular season to make power ratings only based on games played (not preseason ratings) meaningful?
Yeah, that created a ratings problem as having a bunch of teams in the same division ranked high was based off the premise they were that good and the best conference so when one would lose to the other not much would change so definitely need to make some adjustments to that and alter some things to prevent that from happening again...Ohio State was the one team that was moving up in my ratings quicker than most had and at the time I was like Ohio State..
SEC "Dominance" was politics, media manipulation, and popular opinion. The SEC has never been "better" or "superior"... Those of us in the Big 12 and elsewhere know this. The SEC does not have great defense...they have crappy offense and crappy QB's. As proven by A&M and Mizzou joining the SEC and kicking their asses.
And yes, I agree... the SEC "Dominance" is over because they can no longer manipulate and control the BCS system to guarantee SEC Teams in the championship. Hopefully, they'll expand the Playoffs to 8 teams and get a better selection committee.
Hopefully after this year's bowl games the bias towards the SEC will be tampered down and other conferences will garner more equal footing.
And yes, I agree... the SEC "Dominance" is over because they can no longer manipulate and control the BCS system to guarantee SEC Teams in the championship. Hopefully, they'll expand the Playoffs to 8 teams and get a better selection committee.
Hopefully after this year's bowl games the bias towards the SEC will be tampered down and other conferences will garner more equal footing.
The problem is this. The SEC was weaker than everyone thought. They played a very weak non-con schedule for the most part. They were voted into the playoffs to face inferior teams many times during the past 10 years. They did not make it last year and this year is worse. Next year will even be worse than this year because Alabama will have to depend on a defense that is basically non-existant, Auburn, LSU and Ole Miss get hit hard by defections and graduation, and A&M loses it's secondary. People in the Big 1 (who also have no complaint any longer) wonder why they were not in the playoff. Well as it turns out, Alabama was the weak link. Florida State was undefeated. Oregon and Ohio State both won. That makes 1 loss Alabama the weak link. That plus the fact that Saban just sucks in the Sugar Bowl.
thx. i hadn't thought of the playing each other part in power ratings... i remember i was driving in nocal and listening to radio guy bitttcchh about how SEC West teams don't move down early in conference play losing to one another. thought the guy was "full of it" pac-12 homer. now i'm not so sure about the theory (still think he's semi-brainless homer but he may have actually been right)
.. i do think they may have been still that highly ranked when it was only the computer's objectivity ranking them... but then i would question who many of these top 25 teams play before their conference schedules start... oregon and mich state should get alot more credit perhaps for playing each other.
here's who the top 6 SEC West teams played before conference play got rolling for everyone and around the country (note that at least two SEC West teams started the season with SEC games... therefore, that's why i say when conference play got rolling)..
SoMiss (2x)
UAB
SAla
SJSU
KState
LT
Boise
WV
FAU
LLA
Memphis
Wisc
Sam Houston
LM
NMS
Nichols State
TT
NIllinois
TAM
so not that weak.... not that miss state, one team that completely imploded had a real creampuff warm up to conf play (sala, somiss, uab)
SoMiss (2x)
UAB
SAla
SJSU
KState
LT
Boise
WV
FAU
LLA
Memphis
Wisc
Sam Houston
LM
NMS
Nichols State
TT
NIllinois
TAM
so not that weak.... not that miss state, one team that completely imploded had a real creampuff warm up to conf play (sala, somiss, uab)
SEC dominance wasn't just politics--It WAS real, in that their line play, particularly on defense was on a different level than most-which had a dramatic impact on the game. (It still is, for the most part) However, the spread O and playing with tempo somewhat negates that, and now other teams are able to compete and in a lot of cases, beat these teams that still have better overall talent (as judged by NFL scouts). But make no mistake---The SEC will still put the most players in the pros--and that is a trend that looks to continue with over 60 of the top 100 High School 5 star athletes choosing SEC schools. Can other teams compete/beat the SEC teams-yep. Do some other teams have better schemes/coaching--yep. But the SEC--by a long shot---followed by the ACC field the most talented teams as per NFL draft status!
SEC East is about to be 4-0 with UF still pending in the bowls this year....just b/c this conference won't be playing in the NC game doesn't mean a thing. Top to bottom, they always have the top recruits every year compared to all other conferences and the level of competition is crazy. The dominance is not over by a long shot and they will continue to get more airtime/ discussion than any other conference.
Agreed. One game or even two or three do not mean one conference is better or worse than another. Many on this board have talked about the weakness of the SEC East and they seem to be winning bowl games, but the ultimate arbiter of opinion on the strength of teams is Vegas. They make SEC teams favorites when they are not playing each other and the (supposedly) informed betting public accepts those expressions of SEC superiority on a regular basis. When a conference's teams are consistently dogs to another conference's teams, particularly when we are talking about the middle or bottom of the conference, not the superteams, then someone can claim to be a better conference. Otherwise, it's just all puffery and bravado.
