I see no reason why Florida wont destroy this Oklahoma team. Yes Oklahoma can hang 60 pts on Texas Tech and Oklahoma St. teams, but against a solid SEC D, no way! Florida has no trouble putting up points, the only difference is that they have played 9 teams in the top 60 in Defense this year, while Oklahoma has played 1 in the top 60. It has proven itself year after year in BCS Championship games where the SEC has dominated. Teamscannot seem to adjust to the blitz schemes and the fact that if they dont run the ball, there will be turnovers galore! I see this game the same as the same as the rest...SEC domination. Do you actually think that if OU, TEXAS, or TEXAS TECH was in the SEC they would only have 1 loss? No. Going up against a strong D will change the way you play football and none of these guys have ever seen s D so strong. Load up on the Gators! Along the same lines..........Watchout for Ole Miss upsetting the "mighty" Texas Tech Red Raiders.
Is it the sec has such great d this yr or do the sec offenses just stink????
Ga tech blew through georgia easier than serman and lsu couldn't slow down troy...
Scar, kentucky vandy and miss st had some of the worst offenses in the country..tenn could barely score against no ill and wyoming...do we even need to mention auburn??????
I guess the question is it the chicken or the egg? Apply here..
Witht the exception of alabama and maybe fla, i don't see the sec doing much in the bowls..good luck with your plays
Ga tech blew through georgia easier than serman and lsu couldn't slow down troy...
Scar, kentucky vandy and miss st had some of the worst offenses in the country..tenn could barely score against no ill and wyoming...do we even need to mention auburn??????
I guess the question is it the chicken or the egg? Apply here..
Witht the exception of alabama and maybe fla, i don't see the sec doing much in the bowls..good luck with your plays
oh great this again. i'm out here in california as a neutral observer trying to set you retarded sec people straight who still think your defenses are worth a damn and offenses have a pulse. Your not being honest with yourself if you think sec have good offenses and their defenses looks so good because of the lousy qb play and terrible offensive schems.
i really don't have time to explain it, but if you listen to Colin Cowherd at all he's talked about it multiple times.
Tennessee lost to Wyoming in Knoxville. Also Lost to UCLA
Troy had a 20+ lead in the 2nd Half in Baton Rouge
Auburn beat Miss St by a score of 3 - 2.
GT demolished Georgia (ranked #1 to start the season)
Vanderbilt lost to Duke at home.
Auburn lost big at WVU.
Are you seeing a clear picture, when SEC play out of conference games they get exposed and smoked. look for more of the same in the bowl games. You gotta be honest with yourselves sec homers. With the exception of UF you stink this year.
i really don't have time to explain it, but if you listen to Colin Cowherd at all he's talked about it multiple times.
Tennessee lost to Wyoming in Knoxville. Also Lost to UCLA
Troy had a 20+ lead in the 2nd Half in Baton Rouge
Auburn beat Miss St by a score of 3 - 2.
GT demolished Georgia (ranked #1 to start the season)
Vanderbilt lost to Duke at home.
Auburn lost big at WVU.
Are you seeing a clear picture, when SEC play out of conference games they get exposed and smoked. look for more of the same in the bowl games. You gotta be honest with yourselves sec homers. With the exception of UF you stink this year.
The way I look at this game is to just let the bowl games play out and see how each conference teams performed in the bowls. To me, your team is only as good as your conference. Whether Florida or OU have been playing quality opponents or not won't be known until they go up against other conferences. When I look at this game on paper I would obviously give the advantage to Florida. They've been great on both sides of the ball this season. But keep in mind that in 2006 Ohio State also had some very impressive numbers, and looked much the best on paper over Florida. But as we all found out, OSU's impressive record was a result of weak competetion. I think the biggest question surrounding this game is are the numbers skewed for each team? Here's how it breaks down:
First in reference to OU's defensive play. Here are the offenses that they've had to deal with this season: Texas Tech #4, Missouri #6, OSU #7, Texas #9, Nebraska #12 and Kansas #23. And on top of this, OU has been up by many points in these games and have played their second unit players throughout the second half of many of these games when most of the yardage and scores have been put up on OU.
OU is #65 on defense this year. But the question is how much would this defense move up if they were playing in the SEC where there is a lot of bad offensive teams and QB play? My hunch is the Sooners would be in the top 20 in defense if they were in the SEC. Hell, Texas has the number #50 defense. And there is no way this team is the 50th best defense in the country.
Florida is ranked #9 in total defense. But let's look at some of the offenses they've faced. Georgia #21, Ole Miss #37, Arkansas #53, LSU #54, Florida State #55, Alabama #56, South Carolina #96, Tennessee #115 and Vandy #117.
So obviousdly this leads to the question of is Floirda's defense really that good, or the product of playing horrible offensive teams with bad QB's?
And is OU's defense that bad, or is it because they have played some of the best offenses in the country with by far the best QB's?
Bottom line is we can talk about these two teams all we want here, but we won't know for sure about which of these two conferences are better until we start playing these bowl games.
First in reference to OU's defensive play. Here are the offenses that they've had to deal with this season: Texas Tech #4, Missouri #6, OSU #7, Texas #9, Nebraska #12 and Kansas #23. And on top of this, OU has been up by many points in these games and have played their second unit players throughout the second half of many of these games when most of the yardage and scores have been put up on OU.
OU is #65 on defense this year. But the question is how much would this defense move up if they were playing in the SEC where there is a lot of bad offensive teams and QB play? My hunch is the Sooners would be in the top 20 in defense if they were in the SEC. Hell, Texas has the number #50 defense. And there is no way this team is the 50th best defense in the country.
Florida is ranked #9 in total defense. But let's look at some of the offenses they've faced. Georgia #21, Ole Miss #37, Arkansas #53, LSU #54, Florida State #55, Alabama #56, South Carolina #96, Tennessee #115 and Vandy #117.
So obviousdly this leads to the question of is Floirda's defense really that good, or the product of playing horrible offensive teams with bad QB's?
And is OU's defense that bad, or is it because they have played some of the best offenses in the country with by far the best QB's?
Bottom line is we can talk about these two teams all we want here, but we won't know for sure about which of these two conferences are better until we start playing these bowl games.
Nice post, idiot!
A clear picture:
Like UF beating Miami, FSU and Hawaii (BSC game last year)? That clear?
Like Georgia stomping Pac-10 preseason top 20 Arizona State?
Like Alabama pounding preseason #9 Clemson?
Like Kentucky stomping Louisville?
Sure, the SEC offenses weren't that good this year. But is any other SEC offense besides Florida's playing in the BCS National Championship game? No, dumbass!
"Hey look at me!! Look at me!! I'm 5-0 and I'm a dumbass!! Look at me!!" - 5-0 posting his bullshit....again!
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C'mon man you can't be serious. You usually have really good posts, which is why I'm surprised when I saw this nonsense. Hawaii, Miami, Az At, Louisville? All completely terrible teams that have 2 bowl teams combined, and both those teams barely made a bowl game. Saying you beat a preseason top team or a team that did well last year means nothing, you should know that. Clemson and Florida St aren't even anything above average this year either.
I think most of us should be able to agree that OU played a tougher schedule this year, although even I will say it wasn't as hard as others make it seem (tech and ok st nothing special), but it was still harder than any sec team.
maybe you have the illusion that the SEC has good defenses because their offenses are so bad. 6 teams in the SEC are ranked 97th or lower in total offense. That is horrendous. Half the conference rankes at the very bottom of the entire NCAA in offense. And only 3 SEC teams are in the top 50 in total offense. Quit trying to sell yourself that the SEC defenses are all that. Didn't W Vir hang 34 on that great AU defense. Didn't Wake hang 30 on Ole Miss. Didn't Clemson put up 31 against S Car. Didn't GT put up 38 on MSU and 45 on UGA. See there is a pattern here, whenever the SEC team played somebody out of conference that OOC team happen to score way more points than what the SEC team gives up in its SEC games. Wonder why.
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"Nice post, idiot!
A clear picture:
Like UF beating Miami, FSU and Hawaii (BSC game last year)? That clear?
Like Georgia stomping Pac-10 preseason top 20 Arizona State?
Like Alabama pounding preseason #9 Clemson?
Like Kentucky stomping Louisville?"
NOT SURE WHO THE "IDIOT" IS? FROM THE SOUND OF THIS POST IT MAY BE YOU..BECAUSE ONLY AN "IDIOT" WOULD OMIT TENN'S STUNNING 13-9 HOME WIN (AS A 16.5 FAV) OVER NO ILLINOIS AND THEIR 3RD (OR WAS IT 4TH) STRING QB..FYI NO ILL ALSO SOMEHOW MADE A BOWL( OH RIGHT..THEIR NEW ATHLETIC DIRECTOR USED TO BE THAT BOWLS CHAIRMAN)...LSU ALSO CAME BACK AND BEAT TROY
arty:
NOT EXACTLY A WHO'S WHO ON THAT LIST...PERSONALLY I HAVE NO CONFERENCE AFFILIATION AND PREVIOUSLY HAVE TOUTED THE SEC AS ABSOLUTE BEST...NOT THIS YR
"Nice post, idiot!
A clear picture:
Like UF beating Miami, FSU and Hawaii (BSC game last year)? That clear?
Like Georgia stomping Pac-10 preseason top 20 Arizona State?
Like Alabama pounding preseason #9 Clemson?
Like Kentucky stomping Louisville?"
NOT SURE WHO THE "IDIOT" IS? FROM THE SOUND OF THIS POST IT MAY BE YOU..BECAUSE ONLY AN "IDIOT" WOULD OMIT TENN'S STUNNING 13-9 HOME WIN (AS A 16.5 FAV) OVER NO ILLINOIS AND THEIR 3RD (OR WAS IT 4TH) STRING QB..FYI NO ILL ALSO SOMEHOW MADE A BOWL( OH RIGHT..THEIR NEW ATHLETIC DIRECTOR USED TO BE THAT BOWLS CHAIRMAN)...LSU ALSO CAME BACK AND BEAT TROY
arty:NOT EXACTLY A WHO'S WHO ON THAT LIST...PERSONALLY I HAVE NO CONFERENCE AFFILIATION AND PREVIOUSLY HAVE TOUTED THE SEC AS ABSOLUTE BEST...NOT THIS YR
I think the main problem with the big 12 this year is the mystery surrounding the conference. I don't care what anybody says, nobody knows exactly how good the Big 12 is this year. The main competetion with this conference has been internal. Only OU has had decent competetion from out of conference teams in playing TCU and Cincy. The best team that Texas played was Rice. The best team Texas Tech played was Nevada. The best team OSU played was Houston or Troy. The best team that Nebraska played was Va Tech. A game they lost. The best team that Missouri played was Illinois, who turned out to be a below average Big 10 team. The best team Kansas played was South Florida. A game they lost on the road. So the Big 12 in a way is a mystery conference. And we won't know how good they are until they get in the bowls. My feeling is they will do well for the most part. As for the SEC, I haven't seen a lot of impressive OOC games from this conference either. Although I think Florida's win over FSU on the road was a good win. Especially in the matter and conditions in which they won it. Georgia's best win came against Central Michigan. LSU's was Troy. SC's was NCST. Bama was Clemson. Kentucky was a win over 5-7 Louisville. And Vandy's was Wake. A game they lost. So there is a little bit of a mystery surrounding this conference too since they haven't played any top 10 competetion. My bet is the SEC will do a little better than expected because I don't ever recall this conference having an overall losing record in their bowls. The question is probably more on how the Big 12 will do. If they do better than expected, then the BCS title game could be a hell of a game.
Look, I'm not an SEC "homer". I've been arguing on the Gator boards all year about how bad our offenses are. This 5-0 clown is a nut. His sole purpose is to come on here and belittle the SEC. Bottom line: 2 years in a row the SEC has won the National Championship....in those same two years the SEC has won it's second BCS game (LSU and UGA). I've admitted that THIS year the SEC's offense's have stunk. But to say they haven't won any of their OOC games is non-sense. First off, how many do they "really" play? Most SEC teams only play 1 decent OOC game (and UF played 3. Sure, Hawaii had a down year after going to the Sugar Bowl last season). Is it UF's fault that FSU & Miami are down. Both those teams have won a National Championship in the last 9 years. Did anyone predict Auburn or Tennessee would be so aweful they'd have losing seasons and fire both coaches? Hell no! Did anyone expect LSU to be so bad? Hell no! This was an odd year for the SEC offenses. Alabama was preseason #24 and not even ranked in the other major poll! So who the fuck really knows?
I know my "arguement" wasn't strong. But the dumbass teenager (5-0) keeps coming on here and acting like the SEC is a perennial ACC/Big East type conference. There were either 9 new starting QBs or Head Coaches in the SEC this year. The offenses stunk! I suspect next year we'll see improvement across the board w/ the exception of maybe Vanderbilt.
EasyMoney, you are absolutely correct about the SEC offensive rankings. I didn't say otherwise. I was discussing OOC play....and scheduling basically. As I said, most SEC teams only play one "real" OOC team. Do an analysis of Big 12 defenses while you're at it. I believe they have 5-6 teams in the bottom 90-119. That's HALF the conference. Oklahama has given up somewhere along the lines of 319 points this year! Unreal! For a National Championship team to give up that many points on defense is scary.
I don't know if UF wins this game. My logic and gut say they do. However, these bullshit analysis' of the SEC offense has really got nothing to do with UF. UF shut down every team they played, even Ole Miss minus the 5 turnovers the offense gave up. UF is +22 (+/-) in turnover margin. When the ball is snapped and Tim Tebow drops his 240lb shoulder on one of OU's Linebackers it's "go time" and we'll see about who's conference prepared them for this game. UF has some major distractions going on right now with the coaching changes. However, I'm tired of all the "SEC offenses stink!!" "Big 12 Defenses suck!" crap!
Put your fucking money where your mouth is.....and I'm not talking about a fucking $20 bill either. I believe 5-0 is the biggest shit talking, non-gambling mother fucker on this board.......
I'm done with this fucking "argument".
I know my "arguement" wasn't strong. But the dumbass teenager (5-0) keeps coming on here and acting like the SEC is a perennial ACC/Big East type conference. There were either 9 new starting QBs or Head Coaches in the SEC this year. The offenses stunk! I suspect next year we'll see improvement across the board w/ the exception of maybe Vanderbilt.
EasyMoney, you are absolutely correct about the SEC offensive rankings. I didn't say otherwise. I was discussing OOC play....and scheduling basically. As I said, most SEC teams only play one "real" OOC team. Do an analysis of Big 12 defenses while you're at it. I believe they have 5-6 teams in the bottom 90-119. That's HALF the conference. Oklahama has given up somewhere along the lines of 319 points this year! Unreal! For a National Championship team to give up that many points on defense is scary.
I don't know if UF wins this game. My logic and gut say they do. However, these bullshit analysis' of the SEC offense has really got nothing to do with UF. UF shut down every team they played, even Ole Miss minus the 5 turnovers the offense gave up. UF is +22 (+/-) in turnover margin. When the ball is snapped and Tim Tebow drops his 240lb shoulder on one of OU's Linebackers it's "go time" and we'll see about who's conference prepared them for this game. UF has some major distractions going on right now with the coaching changes. However, I'm tired of all the "SEC offenses stink!!" "Big 12 Defenses suck!" crap!
Put your fucking money where your mouth is.....and I'm not talking about a fucking $20 bill either. I believe 5-0 is the biggest shit talking, non-gambling mother fucker on this board.......
I'm done with this fucking "argument".
I resent your hostility to a friendly conversation of strength of conference. For your information I'm not a teenager, I'm a man and I'm 40. Now 41. And I don't bet $20 per game. FYI i pulled in over 20K this college football season, so I know a little bit of what I'm talking about. And I save my payouts on a word document if you would like proof. I don't see how that's relevant, but you accused me of being som sort of pawn. Really suprised at the personal assault. I didn't know calling you an SEC homer was like calling you the "anti christ" or something. Sorry you got offended. 5 other respectable posters (OTK , Tootight, MetFan, EasyMoney, & YourAllAmerican) all called you out and backed my argument. If I were you, we all make bad posts from time to time and would've admitted my mistake instead of typing a 5 paragraph manifesto in favor of the SEC and against me.
GL this bowl season. Happy Holidays!!! :toast:
GL this bowl season. Happy Holidays!!! :toast:
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