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Seattle's first-in-the-nation $15 per hour minimum wage law is hurting the workers it aimed to help, a new study has found.

The working poor are making more per hour but taking home less pay. The University of Washington paper asserts the new wages boosted worker pay by 3 percent, but also resulted in a 9-percent reduction in hours and a $125 cut to the monthly paychecks.
The law also cost the city 5,000 jobs, the report said.

Seattle's minimum wage ordinance, passed by the Seattle City Council and signed by Mayor Ed Murray in 2014, was sold as a way to close the income inequality gap and help those struggling at the bottom of the economic ladder. More than a dozen cities and counties, mostly in California and New York, followed suit.

"This is a two-edged sword," said Jacob Vigdor, one of the team of researchers studying the issues for Seattle. "And if you raise this minimum wage the way Seattle did you run the risk of actually taking money away from the people you are trying to help."

The study was published as a "working paper" on Monday by the National Bureau of Economic Research.

A national campaign called "Fight for $15" aims to bring higher wages across the country by worker strikes and demonstrations.
The Seattle mayor tweeted his rebuttal of the study, and previously cited Seattle's growing economy and low unemployment as evidence that higher wages are not bad for the city.

"The facts: Seattle's economy is booming, with wages increasing & restaurants & retail among our fastest growing job sectors," he wrote on Twitter.

But Louise Chernin, CEO of the Greater Seattle Business Association, said jobs should be increasing at a higher rate.

"You'd think with the amount of people moving into Seattle and the number of businesses and restaurants that are opening, we'd be hiring more people," she said. "It just shows me they are struggling."

The study shows not everybody is struggling, however. Job growth in the city is strong, up 13 percent in the past year – but only for those making more than $19 per hour.
 

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It happens all the time, literally every time without exception. There's a certain demographic out there that refuses to grow from experience, they ignore history, and they advocate the same failed policies time and time and time again for political reasons.

As with everything that demographic advocates, minimum wage is another wedge issue they use to divide the country. As with almost all of their arguments, it's about some sort of social justice as opposed to economic reality.

What amuses me most about the minimum wage issue is it shows just how little some people comprehend. Minimum wage jobs were NEVER INTENDED to support families, they're looking to hire low skilled people, usually teenagers. McDonald's business plan is to hire teenagers and pay low wages in order to keep they prices low for their target market. They expect turnover and they have high turnover, it's OK for them. Then you get these LIBTARDED FUCKING IDIOT politicians who think they know how to run a business, they think they have a better business model, and the clueless fucks implement policies that hurt business growth and hurt the very people they're trying to help. Both as employees AND consumers when they cause fewer jobs and higher prices.

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I can't for the life of me understand why wages are viewed differently than any other economic good or service.

There is no minimum price I'm aware of for sandwiches, cars, homes...the markets set the price of those products on its own. Consumers either get something cheap or expensive...whatever fits their budget. It's the same thing with labor....so why have a minimum price for a labor transaction?

Every single big city in America has thousands and thousands of restaurants. If you're going to price your food/beverages at a high rate, you better have a pretty good reason for doing so (and "we need to pay our employees $15/hr" won't fly with your customers). So...since coffee shops in Seattle can't suddenly jack up their prices in a saturated market, what is their only choice?

Youre seeing it happen in the posted article...either they reduce employee hours or just say fuck it and close the shop altogether. Or...they'll stay open, but not with employees. McD's reportedly is installing automated ordering screens at lightning speed all across the country.

Way to go, fight for 15 crowd! Well done. Let's shoot for 30, 50, 500 next time!
 

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I can't for the life of me understand why wages are viewed differently than any other economic good or service.

There is no minimum price I'm aware of for sandwiches, cars, homes...the markets set the price of those products on its own. Consumers either get something cheap or expensive...whatever fits their budget. It's the same thing with labor....so why have a minimum price for a labor transaction?

Every single big city in America has thousands and thousands of restaurants. If you're going to price your food/beverages at a high rate, you better have a pretty good reason for doing so (and "we need to pay our employees $15/hr" won't fly with your customers). So...since coffee shops in Seattle can't suddenly jack up their prices in a saturated market, what is their only choice?

Youre seeing it happen in the posted article...either they reduce employee hours or just say fuck it and close the shop altogether. Or...they'll stay open, but not with employees. McD's reportedly is installing automated ordering screens at lightning speed all across the country.

Way to go, fight for 15 crowd! Well done. Let's shoot for 30, 50, 500 next time!

You can't really have a free market in low end labor when 1 side is allowed to distort that market by bringing 1m+ immigrants here a year to compete with native workers. Thus creating a race to th bottom.

Cut mass migration down to reasonable levels and you'll see a lot less activism about wage floors. And if some prices have to go up because of that then it is what it is. Americas addiction to cheap foreign labor has more cons than pros IMO.
 

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You can't really have a free market in low end labor when 1 side is allowed to distort that market by bringing 1m+ immigrants here a year to compete with native workers. Thus creating a race to th bottom.

Cut mass migration down to reasonable levels and you'll see a lot less activism about wage floors. And if some prices have to go up because of that then it is what it is. Americas addiction to cheap foreign labor has more cons than pros IMO.
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You can't really have a free market in low end labor when 1 side is allowed to distort that market by bringing 1m+ immigrants here a year to compete with native workers. Thus creating a race to th bottom.

Cut mass migration down to reasonable levels and you'll see a lot less activism about wage floors. And if some prices have to go up because of that then it is what it is. Americas addiction to cheap foreign labor has more cons than pros IMO.

One problem, millennials are not really about hard work, and many jobs might never be filled

We actually need some foreign labor, maybe a lot of it
 

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One problem, millennials are not really about hard work, and many jobs might never be filled

We actually need some foreign labor, maybe a lot of it

We need some, but right now we have a lot more than that. We're adding the population of New Hampshire to the US every single year regardless of economic conditions.

From the 20's to the 60's we had much less immigration than we do right now and it was a big reason wages and lifestyles of lower income Americans rose during those times. You had a tighter labor market.

I'm not saying we need to return to those type of draconian measures but 1m+ green cards/work visas a year at a time when productivity gains are making a lot of basic work obsolete is negatively effecting native citizens. Crowded cities, hospitals, schools. Not to mention land and thus housing stock is relatively finite.

I don't know what the correct # would be and it is extremely fluid based on the economy/technology/work, but I don't think it is current levels. We're just not building out the country like we were during the industrial revolution or post WW2.
 

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http://www.hoover.org/research/senator-tom-cotton-immigration-reform-and-raise-act

Tom Cotton has a bill that would seek to cut migration in half in the near future. Doubt it goes anywhere but an interesting interview. Obviously we still want the best and the brightest to come here but a lot of pro-immigration advocates tend to conflate that with mass migration and open borders.

And this is only my opinion and usually not the subject of political commentary, but I think a lot of the gains in software will be transitioned into other fields in the coming years and put even more downward pressure on employment. Certainly that isn't guaranteed but there is a lot of evidence that suggests it will be a slow burn towards a more automated future.
 

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One problem, millennials are not really about hard work, and many jobs might never be filled

We actually need some foreign labor, maybe a lot of it
We don't need shit from anyone. We need to quit pussifying our country
 

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We don't need shit from anyone. We need to quit pussifying our country

This. Kids need to stop going to school to study women studies or interwar period philosophy, then they wonder why they can't get a job coming out of college. I actually had a continuing education seminar about hiring and one the speakers discussed how to deal with these 22 and 23 year old kid's parents. Their fucking parents are getting involved in their kid's interview process. I coach my kids in soccer and basketball so don't even get me fucking started on that front.

Anyway, got to start getting more of these kids going to trade schools to lock in a specific skill. Not sure how do this exactly but something has to change.
 

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#FAIL: Minneapolis city council passes new minimum wage law…


Jun. 30, 2017 1:55 pm by The Right Scoop58 Comments


Minneapolis is the latest city to increase minimum wage to the ridiculous $15 per hour wage:

STAR TRIBUNE – The Minneapolis City Council approved a $15 minimum wage Friday, a move years in the making that will affect hundreds of businesses and thousands of workers across the city.

The vote adds Minneapolis to a list of cities nationwide, including Seattle, San Francisco and Washington, D.C., that have approved similar measures in recent years.

“Today, we uplift all workers,” Council Member Abdi Warsame, who was absent from Friday’s meeting, said in a letter that was read aloud. “Today’s vote, while historic, is just another step in our unending journey to build a better city.”

The $15 minimum wage will be fully implemented citywide by 2024, with a faster phase-in for large businesses — those with more than 100 employees.

Only Council Member Blong Yang voted against the ordinance. Before the vote, he read a statement listing his concerns about how a $15 minimum wage might negatively affect his north Minneapolis ward, including small business owners and entrepreneurs of color and youth workers.

They voted for this just after a new study shows that people at the bottom rung of the economic ladder actually had their wages DECREASE on an average of $150 per month in cities that voted for this stupidly high minimum wage increase. Morons!

And here’s the chief moron celebrating this harmful wage increase:

Rep. Keith Ellison @keithellison

The Minneapolis City Council just approved raising the minimum wage to $15! That's such good news, I had to sing a song to celebrate. pic.twitter.com/puxBV8lA7G

3h ago ReplyRetweetLike

Sooper posted the study I mentioned above the other day, but I’m going to post it here again:


Read more: http://therightscoop.com/fail-minneapolis-city-council-passes-new-minimum-wage-law/#ixzz4lW0F3s8k

Photo by ELIZABETH FLORES – STAR TRIBUNE
 

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#FAIL: Minneapolis city council passes new minimum wage law…


Jun. 30, 2017 1:55 pm by The Right Scoop58 Comments


Minneapolis is the latest city to increase minimum wage to the ridiculous $15 per hour wage:

STAR TRIBUNE – The Minneapolis City Council approved a $15 minimum wage Friday, a move years in the making that will affect hundreds of businesses and thousands of workers across the city.

The vote adds Minneapolis to a list of cities nationwide, including Seattle, San Francisco and Washington, D.C., that have approved similar measures in recent years.

“Today, we uplift all workers,” Council Member Abdi Warsame, who was absent from Friday’s meeting, said in a letter that was read aloud. “Today’s vote, while historic, is just another step in our unending journey to build a better city.”

The $15 minimum wage will be fully implemented citywide by 2024, with a faster phase-in for large businesses — those with more than 100 employees.

Only Council Member Blong Yang voted against the ordinance. Before the vote, he read a statement listing his concerns about how a $15 minimum wage might negatively affect his north Minneapolis ward, including small business owners and entrepreneurs of color and youth workers.

They voted for this just after a new study shows that people at the bottom rung of the economic ladder actually had their wages DECREASE on an average of $150 per month in cities that voted for this stupidly high minimum wage increase. Morons!

And here’s the chief moron celebrating this harmful wage increase:

Rep. Keith Ellison @keithellison

The Minneapolis City Council just approved raising the minimum wage to $15! That's such good news, I had to sing a song to celebrate. pic.twitter.com/puxBV8lA7G

3h ago ReplyRetweetLike

Sooper posted the study I mentioned above the other day, but I’m going to post it here again:


Read more: http://therightscoop.com/fail-minneapolis-city-council-passes-new-minimum-wage-law/#ixzz4lW0F3s8k

Photo by ELIZABETH FLORES – STAR TRIBUNE

Inst there a saying about insanity is doing the same thing over and over again
 

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Minimum Wage Increases Resulting in More Restaurant Hygiene Violations in Seattle

Restaurants in Seattle are showing an increase in hygiene violations as the minimum wage climbs.

From the paper Minimum Wage and Restaurant Hygiene Violation: Evidence from Food Establishments in Seattle by Subir K. Chakrabarti, Srikant Devaraj and Pankaj C. Patel (my highlight):

We assess the effects of rise in minimum wages on hygiene violation scores in food service establishments. Using a difference-in-difference analysis on hygiene rating of food establishments in Seattle [where minimum wage increased annually between 2010 and 2013] as the treated group and from New York City [minimum wage was constant] as the control group, we find an increase in real minimum wage by $0.10 increased total hygiene violation scores by 11.45 percent. Consistent with our theoretical model, an increase in minimum wage in Seattle has no influence in more severe (red) violations, and a significant increase in less severe (blue) violations. Our findings are consistent while using an alternate control group - Bellevue City, King County, located near Seattle.​

This Sunday on Sunday Morning with Robert Wenzel I smash slick lefties who advocate minimum wage laws.

-RW

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