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http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/aug/18/deal-ex-acorn-official-cops-voter-quota-scheme/



In deal, ex-ACORN official promises to testify against others


<!-- end story-header -->By <CITE>Jeff German</CITE> (contact)
Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2009 | 2 a.m.


<!-- /inline-content --><!-- /text-inline -->The attorney general’s office turned up the heat Monday on a national organization at the heart of a voter registration fraud investigation.
Christopher Edwards, 33, the former Las Vegas field director for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, pleaded guilty to two gross misdemeanor counts of conspiracy to commit the crime of compensation for registration of voters.
As part of a plea agreement, Edwards will testify against the other two defendants in the case — ACORN and its former regional director, Amy Busefink.
The anti-poverty organization has local chapters in 100 cities across the country and national offices in New Orleans, New York and Washington.
State investigators consider Edwards the mastermind of an illegal incentive program at the local ACORN office that, with the approval of Busefink and national ACORN officials, encouraged the collection of fraudulent voter registration forms during the 2008 campaign season.
Nevada Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto said late Monday that Edwards has “agreed to admit his culpability, accept his punishment, and provide valuable testimony against the others involved.”
But Las Vegas lawyers for ACORN and Busefink said they doubted Edwards’ testimony would hurt their clients because ACORN officials were kept in the dark about what he was doing.
“I’m not concerned about it,” said Lisa Rasmussen, who represents ACORN. “He was doing something he shouldn’t have been doing.”
Kevin Stolworthy, who represents Busefink, added, “I don’t believe they have anything in writing supporting what he’s going to testify about. Our position is, he was told not to do it.”
In his plea agreement, however, Edwards said that from Aug. 1 to Oct. 31, 2008, he unlawfully conspired with ACORN and Busefink to create a local bonus incentive program, known as “Blackjack,” giving ACORN canvassers an additional $5 for turning in 21 or more registration cards per shift. ACORN allegedly required its workers to submit at least 20 voter registration forms a day to keep their jobs.
It is illegal in Nevada to attach incentives to gathering registration forms because it encourages canvassers to submit fraudulent forms.
When the indictments were announced in May, Cortez Masto said that by structuring the compensation around a quota system, “ACORN facilitated voter registration fraud in the state.”
About the same time in Pittsburgh, a half-dozen ACORN workers were charged with violating a similar Pennsylvania law prohibiting quotas and other incentives in voter registration drives.
That case was put on hold last month after the American Civil Liberties Union there filed suit on behalf of ACORN challenging the constitutionality of the state law.
Edwards’ cooperation here is not expected to have an effect in Pennsylvania, but ACORN has a lot more riding on the outcome of the Nevada case. The organization is not charged in Pittsburgh, but is facing 13 felony counts in Las Vegas.
Edwards’ first opportunity to testify against ACORN and Busefink will come Sept. 29 at a preliminary hearing to determine whether ACORN and Busefink should stand trial.
In return for his testimony, the attorney general’s office is dismissing 13 felony charges against Edwards and recommending probation for concurrent sentences of one year behind bars on the two gross misdemeanor charges, a $500 fine and 16 hours of community service.
Edwards appeared before Kevin Williams, the district court’s arraignment master, on Monday wearing a shirt and tie and dress slacks. When Williams asked Edwards what his plea was, he responded, “Guilty” in a soft voice.
As he left the courtroom with his lawyer at his side, Edwards declined to comment.
Chief Deputy Attorney General Conrad Hafen, who is prosecuting the case, also had no comment afterward.
The case dates back to Oct. 7, when state investigators, armed with a search warrant, first sought evidence of voter registration fraud at ACORN’s Las Vegas office.
Allegations that some registration applications were completed with false information and that other applications were attempts to register the same person several times led investigators to raid the office, officials said at the time.
 

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This is small potatoes.

I'm waiting for ACORN to be charged federally under the RICO statutes as forecasted by PPubster MisterMJ in one of his "Breaking News" threads in early 2009
 

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This is small potatoes.

I'm waiting for ACORN to be charged federally under the RICO statutes as forecasted by PPubster MisterMJ in one of his "Breaking News" threads in early 2009

the dominoes are starting to fall, but BO will put a stop to it. he will never let ANYBODY touch ACORN
 

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This is small potatoes.

I'm waiting for ACORN to be charged federally under the RICO statutes as forecasted by PPubster MisterMJ in one of his "Breaking News" threads in early 2009
Go Mr Mj full steam ahead
 

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This is small potatoes.

Calling it "small potatoes" is an over statement. However, You can certainly expect that there will be many who will attempt to portray this as something significant. Those that do this are either stupid or they know what they're doing and they think everyone else is stupid. Unfortunately, there are many who will fall for it.

To summarize the facts of the article, there was an investigation (presumably costing a good chunk of change and resources) and what ends up happening is someone is charged with 2 misdemeanors carrying a sentence consisting of 2 years probation, a $500 fine, and 16 hours of community service. All because they admitted that they used a quota system for the temp employees that were hired to gain registration applications.

Those that attempt to portray this as significant evidence of voter fraud never mention that that none of the falsified registration applications ever turn in actual registrations or that they are required to be turned in. The falsified applications tax the system and that's why the quota law exists. They'll also hope others don't realize that false applications are the result of greed and have nothing to do with trying to get fake names on the voter rolls so that someone can cast a vote using it, even though it's borderline impossible to so.

They hope you don't realize that if you wanted to come up with the most inefficient and ineffective way to skew an election, you would do what they try to make you think ACORN is doing. The right way to steal an election is to control the voting apparatus, pay a company 4 million dollars to produce a felon list with over 100,000 names on it that's 95% inaccurate, a list that mostly contains legal voters that aren't going to vote for your candidate, and then deny them their right to vote when they show up at the polls. If that sounds familiar, that's how Rove & Co. stole Florida and the 2000 election (and why most news organizations projected Gore the winner).

The Karl Rove element of the Republican party needs the illusion that there's massive voter fraud taking place. They need the illusion that illegal voters are casting votes or that there are schemes in place to at least try to do that. However, it simply doesn't exist. Their ultimate goal is to cause a panic so that there's a demand for more and more barriers to put in place and effectively deny the votes of more and more legitimate voters. Specifically voters that aren't going to vote for their candidate. Such a demand wouldn't exist if people knew the truth.

This is also a big reason why former U.S. attorney for New Mexico David Iglesias was targeted by Karl Rove for dismissal. Iglesias investigated ACORN in 2004 and found nothing worthy of prosecution, which enraged Rove. Rove wanted his splashy headlines so he could rile up the Republican base and get the ball rolling on imposing tougher restrictions and give them the tools to deny the voting rights of more voters.
 

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Calling it "small potatoes" is an over statement. However, You can certainly expect that there will be many who will attempt to portray this as something significant. Those that do this are either stupid or they know what they're doing and they think everyone else is stupid. Unfortunately, there are many who will fall for it.

To summarize the facts of the article, there was an investigation (presumably costing a good chunk of change and resources) and what ends up happening is someone is charged with 2 misdemeanors carrying a sentence consisting of 2 years probation, a $500 fine, and 16 hours of community service. All because they admitted that they used a quota system for the temp employees that were hired to gain registration applications.

Those that attempt to portray this as significant evidence of voter fraud never mention that that none of the falsified registration applications ever turn in actual registrations or that they are required to be turned in. The falsified applications tax the system and that's why the quota law exists. They'll also hope others don't realize that false applications are the result of greed and have nothing to do with trying to get fake names on the voter rolls so that someone can cast a vote using it, even though it's borderline impossible to so.

They hope you don't realize that if you wanted to come up with the most inefficient and ineffective way to skew an election, you would do what they try to make you think ACORN is doing. The right way to steal an election is to control the voting apparatus, pay a company 4 million dollars to produce a felon list with over 100,000 names on it that's 95% inaccurate, a list that mostly contains legal voters that aren't going to vote for your candidate, and then deny them their right to vote when they show up at the polls. If that sounds familiar, that's how Rove & Co. stole Florida and the 2000 election (and why most news organizations projected Gore the winner).

The Karl Rove element of the Republican party needs the illusion that there's massive voter fraud taking place. They need the illusion that illegal voters are casting votes or that there are schemes in place to at least try to do that. However, it simply doesn't exist. Their ultimate goal is to cause a panic so that there's a demand for more and more barriers to put in place and effectively deny the votes of more and more legitimate voters. Specifically voters that aren't going to vote for their candidate. Such a demand wouldn't exist if people knew the truth.

This is also a big reason why former U.S. attorney for New Mexico David Iglesias was targeted by Karl Rove for dismissal. Iglesias investigated ACORN in 2004 and found nothing worthy of prosecution, which enraged Rove. Rove wanted his splashy headlines so he could rile up the Republican base and get the ball rolling on imposing tougher restrictions and give them the tools to deny the voting rights of more voters.

Tell us about the ACORN embezzlement cover up shorty...:toast: @)
 

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Tell us about the ACORN to be charged under RICO statutes, Joe
 

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Acorn epitomizes what the democratic party is all about in my opinion. I don't like Acorn one bit. They be no good. Votes for free public stuff. This here thing be wrong and bad!

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Tell us about the ACORN embezzlement cover up shorty...:toast: @)

Irrelevant to the issue at hand. I believe you know what''s really going on, which makes you one of those that thinks everyone else is stupid. This isn't about ACORN. It's about the attempt to con others by using ACORN's shortcomings to fool others into thinking there's massive in person voter fraud taking place. If you believe that's true, you're an idiot. If you know it's untrue and try to convince others it's happening, you're a piece of shit liar.

I give you credit for not being that stupid and believe you're just a scumbag, piece of shit, liar. Anyone that's taken the time to read our exchanges already knows this. I believe you just go with every right wing talking point that your sources hand you no matter whether it's based in reality or not, and you don't give a shit about what's true.

I don't care about any alleged embezzlement. I do care about protecting the notion of democracy and exposing those that would attempt subvert it.
 

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Irrelevant to the issue at hand. I believe you know what''s really going on, which makes you one of those that thinks everyone else is stupid. This isn't about ACORN. It's about the attempt to con others by using ACORN's shortcomings to fool others into thinking there's massive in person voter fraud taking place. If you believe that's true, you're an idiot. If you know it's untrue and try to convince others it's happening, you're a piece of shit liar.

I give you credit for not being that stupid and believe you're just a scumbag, piece of shit, liar. Anyone that's taken the time to read our exchanges already knows this. I believe you just go with every right wing talking point that your sources hand you no matter whether it's based in reality or not, and you don't give a shit about what's true.

I don't care about any alleged embezzlement. I do care about protecting the notion of democracy and exposing those that would attempt subvert it.

Every single place ACORN goes...vote fraud and voter registration laws are broken. It happens over and over and over.

You would have to be beyond stupid to think it is just some innocent organization being victimized by the people that work for it.

Are you really that gullible?

Now tell us about the ACORN embezzlement story...it's really a good one. @)
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Posted: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 1:59PM

Former ACORN Executive Reaches Plea Deal

A former Las Vegas ACORN executive has cut a deal with prosecutors, agreeing to testify against two other defendants in a voter fraud case. Christopher Edwards, who was the local field director for Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now, pleaded guilty to two counts of conspiracy to compensate for the registration of voters. In exchange for his cooperation, Edwards had 13 felony counts dismissed. He could get one year in jail when he is sentenced November 17th. Prosecutors say Edwards' plea deal strengthens their felony case against ACORN and its former regional voter registration director, Amy Busefink. The organization is accused of paying bonuses to canvassers based on how many voters they signed up, which led to thousands of fraudulent voter registrations.
 

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You have to be an idiot to think there's conspiracy to skew election results by incorporating a system that's highly inefficient and completely ineffective. Bogus registration applications don't turn into actual registrations and therefore don't turn into actual votes. However, that doesn't stop some a-holes from trying to fool others into thinking otherwise.
 

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You have to be an idiot to think there's conspiracy to skew election results by incorporating a system that's highly inefficient and completely ineffective. Bogus registration applications don't turn into actual registrations and therefore don't turn into actual votes. However, that doesn't stop some a-holes from trying to fool others into thinking otherwise.

This nicely summarizes the most pertinent aspect of any current discussions involving the potential adverse effect of ACORN activities on actual election outcomes - thanks.
 

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You have to be an idiot to think there's conspiracy to skew election results by incorporating a system that's highly inefficient and completely ineffective. Bogus registration applications don't turn into actual registrations and therefore don't turn into actual votes. However, that doesn't stop some a-holes from trying to fool others into thinking otherwise.

How would anybody know?

Once the bogus applications get into the system it's nearly impossible to catch the bogus votes.

What kind of moron can't see that? :think2:

It's unbelievable that you would even try to argue that...oh...it's ok.

Nothing will happen just because ACORN keeps providing bogus voter registrations in every single state they work in. :ohno:

No vote fraud my ass! You are a liar or ignorant.

ACORN was all over Milwaukee "registering" voters.

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In February, Mr. Sandvick's unit released a 67-page report on what it called an "illegal organized attempt to influence the outcome of (the 2004) election in the state of Wisconsin" -- a swing state whose last two presidential races were decided by less than 12,000 votes.

The report found that between 4,600 and 5,300 more votes were counted in Milwaukee than the number of voters recorded as having cast ballots.
Milwaukee Puts a Vote-Fraud Cop Out of Business - WSJ.com (23 August 2009)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122576113489495571.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
 

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This nicely summarizes the most pertinent aspect of any current discussions involving the potential adverse effect of ACORN activities on actual election outcomes - thanks.

Post FAIL...

Bogus registrations lead to bogus votes.

This nicely summarizes why barman can not be taken seriously on anything anymore.

ACORN was all over Milwaukee "registering" voters.

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In February, Mr. Sandvick's unit released a 67-page report on what it called an "illegal organized attempt to influence the outcome of (the 2004) election in the state of Wisconsin" -- a swing state whose last two presidential races were decided by less than 12,000 votes.

The report found that between 4,600 and 5,300 more votes were counted in Milwaukee than the number of voters recorded as having cast ballots.
Milwaukee Puts a Vote-Fraud Cop Out of Business - WSJ.com (23 August 2009)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1225...googlenews_wsj
 

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This nicely summarizes why barman can not be taken seriously on anything anymore.

:laugh:

loren and Total Recall are the only people i take seriously around here.
 

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mistermj

This nicely summarizes why barman can not be taken seriously on anything anymore.


Good gosh...that was your first mistake right there....This is a sports handicapping forum. Any content in the Political Satire room is best treated at the very least as potential spoof material.

If anyone wants serious, they can find me from time to time posting on one of maybe a half dozen legitimate discussion venues which focus on public drug policies and/or civil liberties.

But here? Caveat Emptor, mis amigos
 

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