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First the no-huddle offense and now satellite camps. When Nick Saban voices his dislike, you know it's good for the other/little guy.

The new Husker staff said they were going to be in the satellite camp game. They've backed up those words.
Nebraska coaches will participate in Georgia State's football camp in Atlanta on June 15, a move that positions them front and center for a day of teaching and evaluating in a hotbed for recruiting. The camp session costs $50 a day. Penn State coaches will team up with Georgia State to run a camp the following day.
First-year Husker coach Mike Riley was one of the first to get into satellite camps while he was at Oregon State, including a visit from his staff to a camp in the Los Angeles area three years ago attended by several prospects who ultimately landed with the Beavers.

A year ago, Riley's Oregon State staff hit Houston during a summer clinic. There were around 200 prospects from a talent-rich area who participated, according to 247Sports recruiting analyst Brian Perroni.


Some college coaches in areas saturated with elite recruits may not be fond of the satellite camps that bring opposing coaches to their backyard, but from Nebraska's standpoint, participating just seems smart business.

"The camps are not supposed to be recruiting tools, so everybody's invited, and you have kids that aren't Division I prospects there, and they get coaching," Perroni said. "But especially the main guys, they have a chance to see the coaches in action, their style. There's always joking around that goes on that you can't necessarily see when you're having a conversation on Twitter with coaches. So it does help build that rapport for sure.

"And it gives you a presence in the area with the high school coaches and the kids. It gets the name brand sort of out there."


Ryan Gunderson, Nebraska's director of player personnel and director of football and recruiting operation, told reporters in January that Husker staffers would look to do "a bunch of satellite camps." He expressed interest in camping anywhere from California to Texas to Atlanta to Florida.


"The issue is finding a school in those states that is willing to say, 'OK, yeah, we want Nebraska to come in,'" Gunderson said at the time. "Because when any state in Texas does that, Texas, A&M, Baylor are all going to get (ticked) at that smaller school for letting that outside school come in."


But Georgia State has done this before, teaming up a year ago with James Franklin, allowing Penn State coaches to come in and guest coach the clinic for a day.


"The way the rules are set up, you’re not allowed to have any camp outside of your state, unless you’re on the border and within a 50-mile radius — and a lot of people recruit in Atlanta,” Georgia State coach Trent Miles told the Atlanta Journal Constitution. “But you can legally work somebody else’s camp.


“So it’s beneficial to both parties where Penn State can come down here, work our camp, and get to see the kids that they’re recruiting. And it benefits us by the amount of kids that are coming.”


Now, Husker coaches are in on it too. Satellite camps are becoming popular with coaches outside the SEC. Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh and his staff recently agreed to coach a clinic on June 5 in Pratville, Alabama, right in the backyard of Alabama coach Nick Saban.


Harbaugh isn't stopping there. According to mlive.com, his staff are planning on guest coaching clinics in Tampa, Florida, on June 6, and Lafayette College in Easton, Pennsylvania, on June 7, in Houston on June 8, in Dallas on June 9, and California on June 10.


These arrangements, as you might assume, has some in the SEC and ACC region disgruntled.


"If we're all going to travel all over the country to have satellite camps, you know, how ridiculous is that?" Saban told al.com. on Tuesday evening. "I mean, we're not allowed to go to all-star games, but now we're going to have satellite camps all over the country. So it doesn't really make sense."


And incoming SEC commissioner Greg Sankey voiced his displeasure about it to reporters at an Associated Press Sports Editors' Southeast Region this week.


"As we remember camps, they were instructional and development opportunities," Sankey said, according to al.com. "Now, what we're talking about is recruiting tours. So, let's just be clear about what we're really talking about here."


Clemson coach Dabo Swinney told ESPN's Brett McMurphy: “It’s a loophole people are taking advantage. Instead of camps, you’re having combines"


Washington State coach Mike Leach, whose staff guest coaches at California clinics, said recently on SiriusXM College Sports Nation that it's obvious why SEC coaches are so against it: The talent is already right in front of them.


“The SEC doesn’t do satellite camps as a conference, and they don’t need to," Leach said. "If I was in the SEC, I wouldn’t. Geographically, everybody in the SEC is three hours apart. Guys will routinely come to your practices, come check you out pretty easily within a three-to-five-hour radius, which is pretty much the whole SEC."


But if you're not in that region, why not put your boots there when made possible?


"I think I saw somebody say today, 'Coaches in areas with lots of talent don't like it. Coaches in areas that don't have as much, love the camps.' It's true," Perroni said. "It gives you access to these hotbeds. Atlanta and the whole state of Georgia is just right behind California, Texas and Florida in terms of prospects. There's a reason the SEC teams are always good. They're in high school football hotbeds.


"So I can see why SEC schools, and schools in region, don't like it. But if I was a coach. I would definitely be doing it. There's nothing to stop you and no downside to it at all."



 
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Obviously my biased opinion is for them. Who knows, maybe we see reform on this, but then if they do, kids shouldn't just be able to walk into any practice they want just because it's up the block. Harbaugh camping in Saban's backyard really must ruffle his feathers.
 

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The SEC preaching recruiting ethics. That's rich. RLR, I'm for them too. Some of these campuses are damned hard to fly into for unofficial visits from recruits. Seeing these players face to face is very important. So the only option is to travel to a neutral location. Believe me, Saban isn't the only one against it. Texas wasn't a big fan of them either. And got some Big 12 legislation passed to limit it. Fortunately these other teams found a loophole and can continue. No doubt the new Horns coach would like to keep us out of the state as much as Mack did. I've got to admit I also like seeing the SEC squirm over this. I can imagine what they are thinking. "What do you think you other conferences are doing? Only our conference can cheat and do questionable things using loopholes in the system! Now bow down to the altar of our $EC greatness and kiss our treasure chest of MNC rings!" Really, all this is about is the have's vs the have nots. Those teams trying to move up and get more kids from more areas to become familiar with them will favor these camps. Those teams who have been at the top of the heap for a long time will not favor it.
 

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It was Gus Malzahn raising hell about the Prattville camp. Prattville is just north of Montgomery about 60 miles from the Auburn campus.

The State of Alabama only has around 4.6 million people so not very often a ton of top talent comes from the state. Alabama and Auburn will always get the best players so if it helps some of the lesser players get scholarships somewhere else...more power to them.
 

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I'm more than happy for Ohio State, Michigan, and Nebraska to spend their recruiting time and dollars in Prattville, AL. Good luck with that...when Nebraska pulls a top 3 Alabama talent b/c of attending one of these then I'll take notice...aka not gonna happen.

Saban's only pissed because the SEC has a rule that their schools are not allowed to attend. That rule will get pulled and CNS will be fine with the camps. Not sure the ACC deal on this but SEC literally prohibits attending camps that aren't school sponsored so of course bigdummyqh doesn't know that
 

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Its only Michigan going to Alabama. I wouldnt think Alabama would be a top destination, but when they are doing 9 different camps, I guess that makes more sense. Nebraska and Penn St are doing camps in Atlanta. Im guessing NU will try to hit Houston and LA as Riley did while at Ore St. Those areas make more sense, imo. And I dont think its about stealing the bonafide top star guys that probably are set on going to their regional programs. But we all know that talent evaluation is tricky business. Putting aside the unanimous 5 star guys, the difference between a 3 and a 4 can often be pretty grey. Seeing the 3-star in person vs on video can make all the difference in finding that "it" factor that others pass over. Again, I doubt Nebraska is going into Alabama and snatching its top RB, but it might find a high character kid, the next Ameer Abdullah, thats got all the ceiling in the world and a drive to prove his childhood team wrong. That's where I see the payoff anyway.
 

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...damn strong pattern for RLR...educated smarts.

I never pick favorites other than an ole timer (Mack) but like this guy.
 

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Not going to have that much effect on either side of the argument. Nebraska and Penn St coming to Atlanta will only hurt the teams like a GA St or GA Southern.
 

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It's a matter of time before Ncaa stops them..
 

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The trend has been to lighten the rulebook on recruiting, not bog it down more. Besides, so far there is no evidence that it creates any unfair advantage. The people crying foul are already living high off the recruiting hog. Why are they against high school kids getting a chance to see northern programs? Kids can't get visits paid for until after camps are over and the football season is underway. But they can show up to watch practices any time at any program they want on their own dime? How many kids can afford to travel a 1000 miles? That's a huge disadvantage. And when it's finally time to get a kid on the plane he has to juggle playing on Friday night and then trying to travel 1000 miles to see a Saturday game of a program that is recruiting you. All the while kids are committing sooner and sooner and now they want to have a signing day earlier. Can't get them to come to you, you go to them.
 

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RLR, your new coach Riley probably knows this recruiting disadvantage more than anybody, from his coaching days at Oregon State. Corvallis isn't an easy place to get to. You have to fly into Portland, then drive for a hour or two just to get to the the campus. A kid isn't going to do this on his own. I like how these idiots (you know who you are) come in here and put down Oregon State because they haven't won a Pac-12 championship. Meanwhile their team has access to Orange County in their backyard. The largest recruiting area in the country.
 

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RLR, your new coach Riley probably knows this recruiting disadvantage more than anybody, from his coaching days at Oregon State. Corvallis isn't an easy place to get to. You have to fly into Portland, then drive for a hour or two just to get to the the campus. A kid isn't going to do this on his own. I like how these idiots (you know who you are) come in here and put down Oregon State because they haven't won a Pac-12 championship. Meanwhile their team has access to Orange County in their backyard. The largest recruiting area in the country.

Yeah lets be honest. Name the last 20 title game contenders. They are all from hotbed recruiting regions minus Oregon, twice. So people can run their mouths about how great some coaches are over others, but you still need the talent and having said talent in your backyard is the 1 biggest factor in recruiting. As far as I know, Riley is the only guy that signed somebody from one of these satellite camps, but I haven't followed them very intently until this year. Perhaps it's as important to learn who not to offer from these camps? So we might not also be able to quantify it. I do know that PSU didn't sign anybody from the two locations they did last year. Riley signed some kid out of LA. He is creative. One of the first to do the satellites, he also does little events where no-names send their tapes in to be viewed. That smells of walk-on program to me and these are exactly the kinds of tactics that NU has needed, instead of trying to run a program as if it were an NFL team. I love how Riley has dove into historical recruiting at Nebraska to see how it was done. They embraced the 500 mile philosophy, which the last regime didn't, preferring to focus a little too much on the south. Nebraska's best teams had a heavy dose of guys from the plains states. There are a lot of coaches and father and uncles that still remember the days. And we still hear it as an influence on some of the regional kids. That angle worked on Jalin Barnett (your neck of the woods) that basically is trying to follow Will Shields shoes (literally, he wore Shields' hand-me-downs). Add a pick or two from Texas, a pick or two from Cal, hit the south for a few and you have a decent class. Nebraska won't be getting top ten classes, but 15-25 is doable every year. I know some guys think the Texas well has dried up for NU, but I don't think that is true. For all the arguments that I've seen, if they were true, Nebraska would not likely have had any luck in California, which has provided 2.4 signees per yer since 1984 vs 2.8 from Texas, and really the majority of those Cali kids are in the last 15 years, that trend is similar to Texas kids.
 

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To no surprise the SEC will introduced legislation calling for the national ban on such camps....or else they just may join the party. Personally, I doubt (as others here have) the overall effect will be that advantageous to northern schools going into the South. This is a tool to help fish out under the radar kids. But that hasn't stopped some coaches from talking about "disadvantages" to northern schools. Seriously? You miss out on one championship game and the sky is falling? If the SEC relaxes their own rules, which were enacted to protect them from themselves, they are not likely to start invading Michigan anytime soon. Alabama will be in Miami. Florida will go to Georgia.
 

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Nick Saban is really whining about this. The same Nick Saban who will allow ANYONE (including players arrested for domestic violence) to play on his team. Could it be that Saban realizes that the easy way to the NC is now gone and Alabama will actually have to defeat TWO of the Top teams in the nation to get there? I see a lot of red flags here for Alabama.
 

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I don't see a problem....and not sure why Saban is complaining. Saban has bent the rules in his favor more than any coach in the modern era (post-Bear Bryant)...but, he has always been within the rules (the "analyst" positions is the biggest BS I've seen him pull, imo. It's essentially having double the coaching staff and the wealthy schools can afford it, while the smaller schools suffer....but it's within the rules, and so are these camps).
 

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everyone has the same rules when it comes to signing periods, dead periods, texting, etc so they should have the same rules regarding satellite camps. it's the sec's own fault for putting their schools behind the 8 ball and allowing the northern schools to find a loophole. and lets be honest...the dumbfuck northern school coaches should have been doing this much earlier. It took an ex-SEC coach who nearly broke the SEC rules and held a satellite camp to leave the conference and decided to jump all over this opportunity. (yeah i know schiano did it a bit but in a very limited fashion in south florida which isn't exactly going to ruffle sec feathers with no schools down there).

Saban is absolutely in the right saying that the power 5 needs to have the same rules of recruiting but of course anyone with 5 straight #1 classes should not be the defacto SEC's spokesperson for unfair recruiting. that being said he is absolutely right and you already see his influence as the SEC will be changing their goofy rule. of course the rule was put in so peer coaches within the conference couldn't impede on another coaches turf so while i respect that sentiment it was a loophole for the rest of the country to exploit. We'll have to see what Mr Franklin has to say when SEC schools start holding camps in B10 recruiting hotbed towns. Not sure you want to poke the elephant (or tiger or bulldog or gator)
 

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everyone has the same rules when it comes to signing periods, dead periods, texting, etc so they should have the same rules regarding satellite camps. it's the sec's own fault for putting their schools behind the 8 ball and allowing the northern schools to find a loophole. and lets be honest...the dumbfuck northern school coaches should have been doing this much earlier. It took an ex-SEC coach who nearly broke the SEC rules and held a satellite camp to leave the conference and decided to jump all over this opportunity. (yeah i know schiano did it a bit but in a very limited fashion in south florida which isn't exactly going to ruffle sec feathers with no schools down there).

Saban is absolutely in the right saying that the power 5 needs to have the same rules of recruiting but of course anyone with 5 straight #1 classes should not be the defacto SEC's spokesperson for unfair recruiting. that being said he is absolutely right and you already see his influence as the SEC will be changing their goofy rule. of course the rule was put in so peer coaches within the conference couldn't impede on another coaches turf so while i respect that sentiment it was a loophole for the rest of the country to exploit. We'll have to see what Mr Franklin has to say when SEC schools start holding camps in B10 recruiting hotbed towns. Not sure you want to poke the elephant (or tiger or bulldog or gator)

Well, the "same rules" argument can be made many different ways:

- SEC only plays 8 conference games
- B12 does not have a conf championship game
- "Full cost of tuition"? Tennessee is paying $5500 and Texas A&M is only paying $2700....is that fair?

Lots to discuss in addition to camps!
 

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Nick Saban is really whining about this. The same Nick Saban who will allow ANYONE (including players arrested for domestic violence) to play on his team. Could it be that Saban realizes that the easy way to the NC is now gone and Alabama will actually have to defeat TWO of the Top teams in the nation to get there? I see a lot of red flags here for Alabama.

the sound-byte i heard on the local news sounded to me more like Saban was preaching to the SEC rather than other conferences. .... He said something to the effect - WE need to get on a level playing field with all conferences in regards to recruiting rules and 9 game schedules.

I guess interpretation is all in the ears of the beholder bigdaady , BUT it sure sounded to me like he was bithching at the sec , not the others. ... OH well.
 

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Well, the "same rules" argument can be made many different ways:

- SEC only plays 8 conference games
- B12 does not have a conf championship game
- "Full cost of tuition"? Tennessee is paying $5500 and Texas A&M is only paying $2700....is that fair?

Lots to discuss in addition to camps!

Agreed. There is nothing about college football that says parity. Each institution has its own mission on sports. Some programs offer 4 year scholarships, some dont. Rules shouldnt change for the self-interest of a few.
 

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