San Francisco or New England For Best In History

[NorthernStar]

I am eliminating Pittsburgh from consideration because they won their championships dirty.....steroids before they became the norm.

San Francisco won 5 Superbowls in 14 years. They won 3 of their Superbowls were in dominating fashion. They accomplished their superbowl wins with a revolutionary new offense now called the west coast offense. Joe Montana lead the team to 4 of the wins with the highest QB rating in Superbowl history 127.8 and had a record 122 passes in 4 games without an interception. The other win had who I think is the QB I would want if I was starting a franchise Steve Young.

New England in a similar timeframe of 16 years also won 5 Superbowls and to their credit they also appeared in 2 more Superbowls. None of their wins were in dominating fashion.

Why I think it is San Francisco. I dont want to call New England's wins lucky but being realistic they probably should have lost yesterday based on the fact that they fell so far behind. The win against Seattle also could have easily been a loss.....actually had poor clock management by New England at the end of the game (they should have been calling timeouts in case Seattle scored). Everyone in America was second guessing the play calling by Pete to end the game and Atlanta's play calling seemed to be the talk in the office. If they lose those two games and are 3-4 this is not even debatable. Lastly is their loss to the Giants in 2007 in the prime of Brady's career. That year they dominated teams and if they win that game they would have probably been regarded as the greatest NFL team in history. They outscored their opponents by 190 points in the regular season. They score 38 points against the Giants on the road the last week of the season. Then in the Superbowl they stunk it up and score 14 points......not sure how the egg was served.....but I would say on their face in that game.

I take San Francisco

 

[shdw01]

Giants are the the lucky ones. Brady could have 7 SBs

 

[NorthernStar]

Giants are the the lucky ones. Brady could have 7 SBs

Are you saying the Giants teams were not very good?

 

[Greenbacks]

No matter what happened in that Seattle game and yesterday.....A win is a win.

5 rings is a big deal.....7 appearances.

I give it to the Pats.

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

You have to give it to the Niners when they didn't lose a Super Bowl compared to New England who has lost a couple & should have lost at least 2 more legitimately & this doesn't even include Carolina who also should have beat them. Although I am not a fan of comparing eras. SF flat out dominated most of their Super Bowls & proved their superiority.

 

[PatsFan1283]

If Belichick didn't own the 9ers 3 times with the Giants, maybe they could've made 7 superbowls too.

 

[bigwang]

2 different eras. Niners didn't have to deal w free agency or a salary cap.

 

[KingEleven]

2 different eras. Niners didn't have to deal w free agency or a salary cap.

which means NE is the EASY choice.

 

[bukis1]

Giants are the the lucky ones. Brady could have 7 SBs

I agree. But also if you look real close Brady could have none or just 1.

 

[rolltide]

70's Steelers greatest dynasty the NFL will ever know. 10 starters in the hall of fame

Belly's New England for best over a longer period of time. Even when they don't hold up the trophy they aren't far behind. impressive as hell. since his 2nd season he has won 14 divisions and came in 2nd the other two times ... 15 of those 16 years ended with 10+ wins, the other with 9. Don't think that will be matched for a 1.5 decade performance much like the Steelers will never be matched for their accomplishment in 6 years. and fuck you with the " they won their championships dirty' as they were on the same shit the rest of the league was on. Roids started back in the AFL and carried over to NFL long before the mid-70's as coaches went back and forth b/w the two leagues...rules were the same for everyone, the Steelers did not get some special exemption.

 

[Ilovetobet]

i have to go with NE

 

[NorthernStar]

which means NE is the EASY choice.

No I think it means they had to draft better. With free agency you can draft bad and sign people to free agency to fill your needs. Definitely different eras and New England has managed the salary cap well. Lets see how they do after Brady retires. San Fran drafted talented players but more importantly implemented an offense unlike anyone else. New England can not say they have had any innovation on offense or defense. Bears Buddy Ryan defense or Tampa Bay cover 2 or on offense something like St. Louis did.

 

[NorthernStar]

70's Steelers greatest dynasty the NFL will ever know. 10 starters in the hall of fame

Belly's New England for best over a longer period of time. Even when they don't hold up the trophy they aren't far behind. impressive as hell. since his 2nd season he has won 14 divisions and came in 2nd the other two times ... 15 of those 16 years ended with 10+ wins, the other with 9. Don't think that will be matched for a 1.5 decade performance much like the Steelers will never be matched for their accomplishment in 6 years. and fuck you with the " they won their championships dirty' as they were on the same shit the rest of the league was on. Roids started back in the AFL and carried over to NFL long before the mid-70's as coaches went back and forth b/w the two leagues...rules were the same for everyone, the Steelers did not get some special exemption.

You dont know your history of steroids and the NFL. Goes back to a weightlifiting coach for the USA that learned it from the Russians and Europeans. Started a gym in Louisiana and LSU running back became a Heisman trophy winner. From there to San Diego.....from there to Pittsburgh and Oakland (they were assistant coaches at San Diego). Coincides with Pittsburgh and Oakland rise in those days. Interesting documentary on the subject. Pittsburgh first real dirty team.

 

[rolltide]

You dont know your history of steroids and the NFL. Goes back to a weightlifiting coach for the USA that learned it from the Russians and Europeans. Started a gym in Louisiana and LSU running back became a Heisman trophy winner. From there to San Diego.....from there to Pittsburgh and Oakland (they were assistant coaches at San Diego). Coincides with Pittsburgh and Oakland rise in those days. Interesting documentary on the subject. Pittsburgh first real dirty team.

yes i know the SD connection with Davis and Noll as assistants which is exactly why i said it was AFL that then brought it to NFL. So, yeah, ******* i do know my history but good try


You're on crack if you think Bradshaw, Stallworth, Swann, Franco, Ham, Lambert, and Blount were roided up


Of course Webster was roided....mean joe, doubtful, but possible...same with LC. White and Holmes, likely


If you have ever seen or met the other guys you would punch yourself in the ear for thinking they were on roids. Every single one of them, except for Bradshaw, was just skinny...no muscle, no definition, just skinny. Met them all except Bradshaw and it's comical to apply the steroids tag to them

No doubt the Oline was crushing them but to suggest the Steelers were the only ones doing it by 1975 is fn hilarious. You might as well say the Dolphins unbeaten team should have an asterisk because Noll went from SD to Miami so, therefore, according to your ability to connect the dots created a culture of steroids before he left for Pittsburgh after losing the Jets super bowl

asshole

 

[doubledeuce22]

Are you saying the Giants teams were not very good?

Giants were 10-6 and 9-7.. I give them all the credit they made the plays and beat the pats. Not sure how good/great they were in regards to other SB winners.. they were an absolute nightmare matchup for New England.

 

[festeringZit]

yes i know the SD connection with Davis and Noll as assistants which is exactly why i said it was AFL that then brought it to NFL. So, yeah, ******* i do know my history but good try


You're on crack if you think Bradshaw, Stallworth, Swann, Franco, Ham, Lambert, and Blount were roided up


Of course Webster was roided....mean joe, doubtful, but possible...same with LC. White and Holmes, likely


If you have ever seen or met the other guys you would punch yourself in the ear for thinking they were on roids. Every single one of them, except for Bradshaw, was just skinny...no muscle, no definition, just skinny. Met them all except Bradshaw and it's comical to apply the steroids tag to them

No doubt the Oline was crushing them but to suggest the Steelers were the only ones doing it by 1975 is fn hilarious. You might as well say the Dolphins unbeaten team should have an asterisk because Noll went from SD to Miami so, therefore, according to your ability to connect the dots created a culture of steroids before he left for Pittsburgh after losing the Jets super bowl

asshole

Having a bad day?

 

[DrunkenHorseplayer]

Without cheating, the Pats only have two or three; give me the mid-90's Cowboys.

 

[NorthernStar]

yes i know the SD connection with Davis and Noll as assistants which is exactly why i said it was AFL that then brought it to NFL. So, yeah, ******* i do know my history but good try


You're on crack if you think Bradshaw, Stallworth, Swann, Franco, Ham, Lambert, and Blount were roided up


Of course Webster was roided....mean joe, doubtful, but possible...same with LC. White and Holmes, likely


If you have ever seen or met the other guys you would punch yourself in the ear for thinking they were on roids. Every single one of them, except for Bradshaw, was just skinny...no muscle, no definition, just skinny. Met them all except Bradshaw and it's comical to apply the steroids tag to them

No doubt the Oline was crushing them but to suggest the Steelers were the only ones doing it by 1975 is fn hilarious. You might as well say the Dolphins unbeaten team should have an asterisk because Noll went from SD to Miami so, therefore, according to your ability to connect the dots created a culture of steroids before he left for Pittsburgh after losing the Jets super bowl

asshole

Surprised you were able to use words with more than 4 letters. If you happen to be one of the first teams to use steroids it is a huge advantage. Of all the team sports steroids has to be the one which can have the biggest impact. To weigh 30 pounds more of muscle would be a huge advantage. Just because they were one of the first ones didnt mean everyone on the team was doing them. If even 10 of the players were doing them compared to zero by the opponent that is a huge advantage. So if you only cheat part of the time then you are not considered a cheater? The drugs were not banned until 1987 by the NFL so official it is not cheating.

Lets play this out. 1962 San Diego is 4-10. Alvin Roy comes in as weight coach and according to the players 95% take steroids. San Diego wins the championship in 1963. Knoll is a coach with the team and 1969 named coach of Pittsburgh. You are going to tell me he didn't know the positive correlation between winning and steroids? Naive on your part. After 5 years as weight coach at San Diego and playing in 3 AFL championships he moves on to Kansas City in 1968 and they win the championship in 1970. Then off to Dallas in 1972 and they win the championship. Just coincidences.

I had a couple friends play for Lou Holtz.....Holtz is going to tell you he ran a clean program and all the things you want to hear. Reality he is pushing the roids to his players and acting like it never happened or he never knew about it. Why because to get to that level as a coach you are competitive and want to win.
Come on man have a clue.

Did Pittsburgh have some great players without roids.....absolutely.

Barry Bonds had some great years without roids....do you want him in the hall of fame.....you still have to have hand eye contact to hit a home run....so should he be the home run king or the home run king with an asterisk. I would put an asterisk by his accomplishment.

Just to prove my point which is counter to your "alternate facts".....Terry Bradshaw has admitted he used roids and you think he didn't. So who do we want to believe....Terry or you? hmmmmmm. Tough one there.....douche bag

 

[NorthernStar]

70's Steelers greatest dynasty the NFL will ever know. 10 starters in the hall of fame

Belly's New England for best over a longer period of time. Even when they don't hold up the trophy they aren't far behind. impressive as hell. since his 2nd season he has won 14 divisions and came in 2nd the other two times ... 15 of those 16 years ended with 10+ wins, the other with 9. Don't think that will be matched for a 1.5 decade performance much like the Steelers will never be matched for their accomplishment in 6 years. and fuck you with the " they won their championships dirty' as they were on the same shit the rest of the league was on. Roids started back in the AFL and carried over to NFL long before the mid-70's as coaches went back and forth b/w the two leagues...rules were the same for everyone, the Steelers did not get some special exemption.

Oh and they only won 4.....San Fran won 5....hahahahaha

 

[KingEleven]

Oh and they only won 4.....San Fran won 5....hahahahaha

think you forgot one