Saddam was not killed in restaurant attack

[grantt]

Because you guys only listen to one pro U.S. news station CNN You won't be getting this news for several more hours.

Saddam Hussein survived an attack on a building in Baghdad in which he was reported to have been meeting his sons Uday and Qusay on Monday afternoon, British intelligence sources said last night.

 

[Jazz]

Makes you happy, doesn't it?

 

[Jazz]

btw, Fox has had this on for over an hour - it was mentioned at least twice, but of course it isn't confirmed either.

 

[grantt]

About as happy as this makes you Jazz

I want to see Saddam killed as much as the next person. It's stories like this one I don't aprove of and unfortunitly I have a lot of these.

Do you know the story of this boy?
This is one of the saddest things I have ever seen or read.

ALI Ismaeel Abbas, 12, was fast asleep when war shattered his life.

A missile obliterated his home and most of his family, leaving him orphaned, badly burned - and blowing off both his arms.

With tears running down his face he asked: "Can you help get my arms back? Do you think the doctors can get me another pair of hands? If I don't get a pair of hands I will commit suicide.

"I wanted to be an army officer when I grow up but not any more. Now I want to be a doctor - but how can I? I don't have hands."

Lying in a Baghdad hospital, an improvised metal cage over his chest to stop his burned flesh touching the bedclothes, he said: "It was midnight when the missile fell on us. My father, my mother and my brother died. My mother was five months pregnant.

"Our neighbours pulled me out and brought me here unconscious.

"Our house was just a poor shack. Why did they want to bomb us?"

He did not know the area where he lived was surrounded by military installations.

Hospital staff were overwhelmed by the sharp rise in casualties since US troops moved on Baghdad and intensified the aerial assault.

Ambulances rushed in with victims, many carried in bedsheets after running out of stretchers.

Doctors struggled to find them beds. Staff had no time to clean the blood from trolleys. Patients' screams and parents' cries echoed across the wards.

With many staff unable to get there due to the bombing, doctors worked round the clock performing surgery, taking blood, giving injections and ferrying wounded.

Dr Osama Saleh al-Duleimi, an orthopaedic surgeon and assistant director at Kindi, said they were overloaded and suffering shortages of anaesthetics and painkillers.

The Red Cross has been touring hospitals with first aid and surgery kits. Spokesman Roland Huguenin-Benjamin said: "They were overwhelmed by sheer numbers - during fierce bombardment they received up to 100 casualties an hour."

Doctors who treated victims of the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war and the 1991 Gulf War were taken aback by the injuries. Dr Duleimi, 48, said: "This is the worst I've seen in the number of casualties and fatal wounds.

"This is a disaster because they're attacking civilians."

Dr Sadek al-Mukhtar said: "In the previous battles the weapons seemed merely disabling. Now they're much more lethal.

"Before the war I did not regard America as my enemy. Now I do. War should be against the military. America is killing civilians."

 

[Jazz]

yeah, I read it, Grantt - so what? I haven't read all the stories of the few hundreds of thousands of civilian men, women and children murdered by Saddam during his reign because the dead can't write these emotional tales to catch your ever-vigilant eye. Ask the thousands of orphans resulting from the slaughter about how they feel about it. And while you're at it, ask yourself whether these accidental injuries and deaths in the course of what I consider to be a justified war (WMDs) will save many thousands of other civilian lives had Saddam been left free by people exactly like you who mourn over the few and ignore the many, when it suits your viewpoints.

 

[grantt]

I just thought I would re post this before you edit it Jazz.

yeah, I read it, Grantt - so what?


No more comment is needed by me.

 

[Jazz]

As usual, Grantt, you evade the questions and deliberately ignore my other posts on this daily ritual you are obsessed with, which is why I'm so flippant with you these days.

Enjoy grinding your axe and churning out your photos - a man's got to have a hobby.

 

cnn is so left wing and anti-war and anti-administration it boggles the mind that you think they are a pro-war propaganda tool....in the states,they are known as "al jazeera west".....you want to throw a real hissyfit,tune into fox....

 

[Rattler+]

Sphincter

You are yappin' so much BS your breath is starting to smell like your nick!
CNN is so left wing and anti-war?
All they report is what the US Gov. wants you to hear! And you and so many of your Amer. colleagues are suckin' it right up! It all comes right down to the US public intellect once again. IGNORANCE! No offense to the American public. Your lack of care/knowledge/thought of country's other than your own are brought on by your own government. It may be tine for a regime change. The world does not need this ignorance any longer.

 

[gamblingislife]

Rattler

Please tell us what to believe. I don't trust anyone now except you because you seem to know it all.

 

[KennyB]

C'mon. We all know CNN wants to be "the world's news provider" and is the farthest on the left. They don't call terrorists what they are and are sympathetic to the arabs.

While I watch ALL news and decide for myself, CNN is way on the left. Of course there is always the BBC.

 

rattler....you are scary...you really think cnn is a tool of the government,don`t you?....you really think they are slanted?after all the reports from french,german and arab reporters....all the early stories about how the generals miscalculated....friendly fire incidents....civilian casualties...the stories of arab hate for americans....every hour or two showing headlines from all the anti-american papers around the world....

i don`t see it....do any of the anti-war americans on here think that cnn is a bush puppet?....i`d be curious to hear it....

and,rattler....this is my second post since yesterday....you don`t agree with me?....live with it.

 

[Rattler+]

gamblingislife ... What is it you would like to know?

sphincter ... I will never live with <it>. Your point? You magnify the "ignorant american". You make your country proud.

 

much like the proud canadian adults booing the american kids at a youth hockey game....class all the way...

 

[Rattler+]

sphincter
Can you elaborate on that? I don't know anything about this. Adults booing kids playing hockey?

 

March 27, 2003
Local hockey group stung by treatment in Montreal

By Maureen Boyle and Elaine Allegrini,

When a group of Brockton youth-hockey players and parents reached the American border after a Canadian tournament, cheers broke out on the bus.

After witnessing anti-American protests on the street, hearing their national anthem booed at a professional hockey game and enduring insults toward the children playing on the ice, members of two Brockton Youth Hockey teams were glad to be back in the United States.

"At one point there, some parents considered leaving early," said Bill Carpenter, one of the parents. "We were concerned about the safety of the kids."

Anti-American sentiment has been heating up as a U.S.-led coalition wages war in Iraq to topple the regime of Saddam Hussein.

Tens of thousands of people have demonstrated in cities around the world and outside U.S. military bases on recent weekends, including in Europe, Asia, the Middle East, Australia and other locations. More protests are expected in coming days.

American college students studying abroad have been told to avoid demonstrations, street corner debates on U.S. foreign policy and clothes that identify them as Americans. To be on the safe side, some students are passing themselves off as Canadian.

And even in Canada, a neighboring country long considered a friend to the United States, anti-American fervor has erupted over the Bush administration's mission in Iraq.

Rick Reid, a parent on the Brockton youth-hockey trip, said several players and parents went to a Montreal Canadiens-New York Islanders game and were stunned when the crowd erupted in boos when the U.S. national anthem was played.

"It was a sick feeling," Reid said.

And protests marred the youth-hockey events as well.

The two hockey teams, comprised of 12- and 13-year-olds, were in Montreal last weekend to compete in a youth hockey tournament, a trip many thought would be a fun experience.

But that quickly changed.

One bus, emblazoned with the name "Coach USA" and filled with players and parents, drove past an anti-American protest near their hotel where the Iraqi flag was cheered and the American flag burned.

"They were dragging the American flag on the ground," Carpenter said.

Stunned children were kept on the bus as police waited until the protest passed before allowing them to head into the hotel. Each time the group went out on the bus, they were met with insults from adults.

"The bus would be going through the city and people would give us the middle finger, they would make obscene gestures," Carpenter said.

"It made us angry," said Peewee B team coach Ernie Nadeau. "As parents, we couldn't react because we had to be concerned for the kids."

During the game, the Canadians taunted the Brockton team with swears and anti-USA comments, Nadeau said.

"Our kids were starting to react to what they were saying," he continued. "I asked my kids to refrain from retaliation."

He said they had a playoff game and he feared they would be disqualified if they behaved inappropriately.

Reid said his son, Zachary, was uneasy on the subway ride back to the hotel after the NHL game.

"My son was very nervous after the game," Reid said. "That was the thing, not feeling comfortable in being there at that time."

Carpenter said some players fielded insults on the ice from players in Canada and everyone was happy to leave.

"As soon as the game was over, we left right away," Carpenter said.

The Peewee A team also had an unpleasant experience in Montreal, according to Richard Sliney and Bob Stewart, who have sons on the team. They were in the stands when the National Anthem was booed at the NHL game between the Canadiens and Islanders.

"It was a very upsetting situation to be sitting in the stands and have the people behind you, in front of you and beside you booing," Sliney said. "It was outrageous."

Said Stewart, "I couldn't understand it. We've been friends with the the Canadians. The kids were shocked and upset. It's going to be a long time before I go back."

Reid said the most recent trip convinced him to stay away in the future. "They like our money, but they don't like us," Reid said.

Carpenter said he is canceling plans to go to Quebec City this summer with his family as a result of the treatment this weekend.

"Forget it, we won't go back," he said.

Nadeau agreed.

"I may go to another province, but I would never go back to Montreal," he said.

 

[kayaman+]

I've watched Headline news, CNN in Spanish and a little BBC during this thing.
I don't know that I would say CNN in English is a puppet of the government, but you do feel a different tone the way they are presenting this. It's like they are tip-toeing around, very careful not to say something that may be considered anti-American or treasonous.