Ryder Cup Opinions and comments....

[NorthernStar]

Biggest reason Europe has done better is the courses they play for Ryder cup are courses they play all time on a regular basis.

So they have played this course more so therefore they win? Great players should be able to play great on any course. Of course sometimes courses or holes suit your game better than others.

Almost none of the players on either side played Hazeltine.....the last time the PGA there was 7 years before the Ryder Cup.

 

[nysports]

So they have played this course more so therefore they win? Great players should be able to play great on any course. Of course sometimes courses or holes suit your game better than others.

Almost none of the players on either side played Hazeltine.....the last time the PGA there was 7 years before the Ryder Cup.

My point exactly. USA as of late never play courses that they are more familiar with. And by the way your club championship win is impressive. I’ve won 37 club championship, played in 11 USGA events including 2 USA sr opens. Also have won numerous national events. So yeah I know a little about golf.

 

[Ricboff]

LMFAO



this guy is a different breed. At 18 I dont think he even saw the water guarding the left side-- he saw fairway and unleashed a BOMB bisecting the fairway. Then, just as he did at 16,17 FLUSHED his iron, pure strike...to 8 feet. GSM

5-0 career Ryder Cup singles....................some guys are just wired differently.....

 

[NorthernStar]

My point exactly. USA as of late never play courses that they are more familiar with. And by the way your club championship win is impressive. I’ve won 37 club championship, played in 11 USGA events including 2 USA sr opens. Also have won numerous national events. So yeah I know a little about golf.

Well you and I couldn't have done any worse than Phil and Tiger 0-6.

The Tiger and Phil era has been terrible for the USA. They have two of the biggest ego's in golf history (on the Euro side with a huge ego was Monty.....who was great in the Ryder Cup but not as good when it came to the majors). How can you possibly defend their records at the Ryder Cup. If you are the GOAT you should be able to go to any course in the world and beat some player/players who are not even in the top 50 in the history of golf in match play, foursome or four ball.

The two of them have dictated who they want to play with. They were even forced to be partners and still lost.

Phil is a million dollar talent with a pea sized brain. See his ego blow ups that have cost him majors. Or maybe his whining and disrespecting the game after he missed a putt and hit it before it went down the hill......then claimed he thought about doing this before. Bullshit....father time caught up to you and you aren't the big dog on the block anymore.

Tiger was great for the game of golf and even now....he is in the hunt ratings go up. His ego and who he liked and who he didnt like is absolutely terrible for a team event (made even worse with not backing it up with points). Tiger is one of the cheapest most selfish people out there. If you are not familar with his cheapness search training with navy seals.

For Tiger and Phil it is all about money. Tiger is even famous for saying there are a million reasons he would rather win a tournament than the Ryder Cup.

Screw them. If you dont want to represent your country.....take the next man up that wants to be there and will play hard. We need young hungry players that think it is an honor to represent the USA and are going to do everything they can do to win it. They need to show the same passion the Euro's do about winning the Cup.

If I wanted to win the cup I would do every little thing possible to try to get an advantage on my opponent. When the Ryder Cup was at Hazeltine my son caddied in the group with Davis Love III and Ben Crenshaw when they scouted the course. They not once asked the caddies about the greens. Which ones are slower , which ones is the read wrong the most by players. Do any holes play longer or shorter? If I was the captain that is the information that I want to know. The USA needs to take it just as seriously as the Euro's. Hopefully the new young guns take that attitude and dont follow in the foot steps of their idols growing up Tiger & Phi.

 

[Ricboff]

Well you and I couldn't have done any worse than Phil and Tiger 0-6.

The Tiger and Phil era has been terrible for the USA. They have two of the biggest ego's in golf history (on the Euro side with a huge ego was Monty.....who was great in the Ryder Cup but not as good when it came to the majors). How can you possibly defend their records at the Ryder Cup. If you are the GOAT you should be able to go to any course in the world and beat some player/players who are not even in the top 50 in the history of golf in match play, foursome or four ball.

The two of them have dictated who they want to play with. They were even forced to be partners and still lost.

Phil is a million dollar talent with a pea sized brain. See his ego blow ups that have cost him majors. Or maybe his whining and disrespecting the game after he missed a putt and hit it before it went down the hill......then claimed he thought about doing this before. Bullshit....father time caught up to you and you aren't the big dog on the block anymore.

Tiger was great for the game of golf and even now....he is in the hunt ratings go up. His ego and who he liked and who he didnt like is absolutely terrible for a team event (made even worse with not backing it up with points). Tiger is one of the cheapest most selfish people out there. If you are not familar with his cheapness search training with navy seals.

For Tiger and Phil it is all about money. Tiger is even famous for saying there are a million reasons he would rather win a tournament than the Ryder Cup.

Screw them. If you dont want to represent your country.....take the next man up that wants to be there and will play hard. We need young hungry players that think it is an honor to represent the USA and are going to do everything they can do to win it. They need to show the same passion the Euro's do about winning the Cup.

If I wanted to win the cup I would do every little thing possible to try to get an advantage on my opponent. When the Ryder Cup was at Hazeltine my son caddied in the group with Davis Love III and Ben Crenshaw when they scouted the course. They not once asked the caddies about the greens. Which ones are slower , which ones is the read wrong the most by players. Do any holes play longer or shorter? If I was the captain that is the information that I want to know. The USA needs to take it just as seriously as the Euro's. Hopefully the new young guns take that attitude and dont follow in the foot steps of their idols growing up Tiger & Phi.

stop, geesus. Both WANTED to be on this team, to represent country. They are both in the twilight of their careers, this was an honor.

if you don't believe their words, well, that's your choice.


"I served as vice-captain a couple of years ago and that was absolutely incredible to be part of the team, to try to help these young guys in any way I could," Woods told reporters.
"This year, to be able to play again is beyond special.
"To have an opportunity to go to Europe and to have an opportunity to win a Ryder Cup and to be part of this group of guys to have that opportunity to go there, it's exciting, it really is."

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"Sure, it's motivation," Mickelson said this week at Ridgewood Country Club, where he played into contention Friday at the Northern Trust. "It would be special if we were able to do it. It's a huge motivator. It would be very meaningful for me to be part of a winning team in Europe. Realistically, this is probably my last chance
"I'm going to play really well these next two weeks and I'm going to make it an easy decision," Mickelson said.

 

[NorthernStar]

This was an email I sent to an out of state friend before the Ryder Cup that is also a big golf nut. Wasn't far off with my predictions

I am openly nervous about the Ryder Cup this week. Everyone is talking about how the USA team is deep and how good they are.

Maybe I don't look at it the same way. I would relish the underdog role with nothing to lose attitude.


Looking at the USA team I see quite a few question marks.


Who do I have confidence in?


Keopka he has game: long and a good putter
Justin Thomas young, long and hungry
Dustin Johnson: million dollar man....2 cent brain. Personal life a ? / distraction
Tony Finau may turn out to be the star of the team. My prediction
Rickie no huge weakness and he can putt


Less confidence but should do alriight


Patrick Reed he seems to thrive on this shit. Just not playing very good.
Tiger surprisingly poor Ryder cup record. Game is improving but driver is ? mark. A month ago I would not have put him on the team.
Spieth I really like him and he seems to be able to perform under pressure. Terrible year though
Webb great iron player which I think is big and putting has been solid


Question marks


Phil should only get one round in the first two days. Playing horrible and Ryder cup record is just as bad
Bubba is just not that good and not playing that well.
Bryson seems to lose it at times and I am still not convinced the same length club is a good idea.


Going to the Euros


Rose has been playing great
Rory one of the 5 most talented golfers in the world...when he wants to. He will miss at least two putts he should make
Fleetwood is someone that is coming into his own and can make birdies
Molinari a great iron player will be their best player is my prediction


Their players that are second tier


Stenson great iron player but has had injuries this year
Sergio relishes the Ryder Cup and great iron player but having a bad year
Rahm I think others have him as much stronger. Bad temper
Casey another strong iron player


Question marks
Poulter has been improving after injury but relishes this format
Noren who I keep thinking is going to break out
Olesen I dont know much about
Hatton same thing


I just dont see this as a huge american advantage. Our biggest advantage is probably length and if they are smart they make the fairways narrow and take some of that advantage away.

 

[Ricboff]

'Bryson seems to lose it at times and I am still not convinced the same length club is a good idea.'



Well at age 25, he won 3 times in 2018, was a Ryder Cup pick , 4th on the money list pocketing $8 mill,....that's $8,000,000..........,..........,,i'd say it works for him.

 

[Greenbacks]

We put our best team on the field and we lost.

No excuses.

Props to the Euros.

We'll get em next time

 

[NorthernStar]

'Bryson seems to lose it at times and I am still not convinced the same length club is a good idea.'



Well at age 25, he won 3 times in 2018, was a Ryder Cup pick , 4th on the money list pocketing $8 mill,....that's $8,000,000..........,..........,,i'd say it works for him.

Got zero points.

 

[Ricboff]

and your point is?

Well at age 25, he won 3 times in 2018, was a Ryder Cup pick , 4th on the money list pocketing $8 mill,.

 

[NorthernStar]

and your point is?

Well at age 25, he won 3 times in 2018, was a Ryder Cup pick , 4th on the money list pocketing $8 mill,.

My predictions were spot on if you read them. He deserved to be a captains pick based on his performance this year......I just dont have confidence in his game. The long wedges doesnt seem like it works that well. That look of having the clubs all the same for each swing just looks odd. Seems like it would be logical but somehow I dont see it catching on. Moe Norman would be proud.

 

[Ricboff]

don't see it catching on either. Unique to his simple, repeatable swing.And indeed Moe would be proud but also would likely find fault.....'why did he break his tee?...why is he off the fairway?.....can't play with that grip,noooooooo.......'

i have confidence in his game. But the mental aspect , imo, is not there......yet? He won 3 times, two by blowing out the field....not bad for a young temperamental chap

 

[NorthernStar]

Just read why Furyk made Phil and Tiger captains picks. Furyk had the most losses in the Ryder Cup at 20. He is now third on the list. First is Phil with 22, second is Tiger with 21....great job Furyk.

 

[StevieRay]

I took the + $

Easy

 

[patswin]

Another sad ending to a Ryder Cup in Europe. You can second guess picks, pairings, etc....but at the end of the day it wasn't even close after Friday afternoon. What really stood out to me was that a course like that needed to be played much more than the US players did before the tournament and practice rounds. The only US player that played in the French Open was Justin Thomas and he won the most points from the USA. I think Phil played it during British Open week but the other guys really had not played there much before last week. It was a very difficult course and one that the US players typically don't see and needed alot of preparation and strategy to be played correctly. Also the euro's just play well as a team, the US acts like a team but I don't think they are on the same level as the European's. Some of the US guys - Bubba, Reed, Tiger, Phil, etc...not exactly guys you can put your arm around and joke with. Put that in with some really bad golfing on the course and the US should have been +200 to start

 

[Ricboff]

[h=1]Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson's failure ensures their flawed legacy is secure[/h]

[FONT=&quot]This time, there would be no ritual bloodletting, no remonstrations. Jim Furyk would not be publicly and unceremoniously thrown under the bus like Tom Watson at Gleneagles four years ago. The buzzword of Team USA’s press conference after their Ryder Cupdefeat in Paris was “proud”. They were proud of themselves, proud of their captain, proud of each other. “It’s just golf,” Furyk said. “Golf isn’t traumatic. You can call me crazy. But I would take these guys right back into another Ryder Cup, and play it all over again if I could.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It was only the following morning, when comments attributed to Patrick Reed appeared in the New York Times, that the now-traditional American Ryder Cup post-mortem began to take a more familiar hue. Reed was seething at the break-up of his successful partnership with Jordan Spieth, at being benched twice in four sessions, at the egos in the US team that had so spectacularly prevented them from fulfilling their potential.[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]Furyk, for his part, spoke with the dignity of a man who knows it’s his last day in the job. His two years are now done, and if he was mourning his losing legacy, or agonising over decisions not taken, he wasn’t showing it. You could - and Reed certainly did - question some of his calls. You could even question the decision to appoint him in the first place; his Ryder Cup playing record of 10 wins and 20 defeats hardly suggested a mastery of the competition. But none of the criticism that will doubtless rain down on Furyk in the coming days and weeks will entirely explain this defeat. Furyk was, in many ways, a product of the system, and it was a system embodied by two men sitting either side of him.

In November, Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson will play a one-on-one, winner-takes-all, $9 million showdown in Las Vegas. This was not a good weekend for business. Golf’s two most storied names produced a total of no wins and six defeats for the competition. Mickelson now has more losses than any other player in Ryder Cup history, with 22 in total. Woods is one behind him, in second place. “I’m one of the contributing factors to why we lost the Cup,” Woods admitted. “And it’s not a lot of fun.”

And as they plodded unhappily around Le Golf National, the afternoon and the Cup slipping away, it was hard not to feel that in some sense we were witnessing the end of an era in America’s Ryder Cup history. Woods will be 44 at Whistling Straits in 2020. Mickelson will be 50, an age beyond which only Ray Floyd (1993) and Jay Haas (2004) have competed. It’s not impossible that one or both could make it. But whether or not they do, their legacy in this competition is largely already secure.

Their failure may be shared - 19 major championships combined, and yet a foursomes and fourball record of 22 wins and 35 defeats between them - but the reasons behind it are subtly different. Woods has both the greater case to answer and the greater mitigation. By Whistling Straits, it will have been 21 years since he played for a winning US team. But equally, he may be a victim of his own phenomenal talent. Research by Brandel Chamblee of the Golf Channel shows that players paired with Woods on the Saturday or Sunday of tour events play almost three shots worse in his company. The Woods effect is real, and it seems to take its toll most grievously on his playing partners.
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[FONT=&quot]At one point during the US press conference, as Furyk was nattering away, Woods allowed his eyes to gently close for a few seconds. He looked shattered. He has looked shattered for most of the weekend. He has played seven weeks out of nine, starting with the Open Championship, followed by the WGC, followed by the US PGA, followed by the FedEx Cup play-off series. And then a Ryder Cup. Small wonder it had taken its toll.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Woods was not the only player to endure this schedule, of course. But having spent so long out of the game with injury, coupled with the emotional toil of winning his first tournament in five years at East Lake, and the simple strain of being the game’s most recognisable star, it was always going to be a big ask. “A lot of big events, and a lot of focus, a lot of energy goes into it,” he said. “I’ll have a better understanding of what my training needs to be for next year.”

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[FONT=&quot]Mickelson, on the other hand, had the reverse problem. He’s the sort of guy you can pair with anybody. A reassuring and invigorating presence in the team room. The ultimate tonic. Except there was one problem: he couldn’t drive for oatmeal. On Saturday morning, as his team-mates were out in the fourballs, Mickelson was alone on the range, trying to drill himself into some form. “I spent more time hitting balls throughout the week than I have all year,” he admitted. “Trying to find something that would click. And it’s just been a struggle. The last month has been a struggle.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And so this defeat hit Mickelson particularly hard: not just because he felt he had let himself down, but because he had let down Furyk, a close friend and confidant. “This is a very meaningful team for me personally,” he said. “There have been two years - this year and 2006 with Tom Lehman - where it breaks my heart a little bit more than others. Because those two, we were given every opportunity to succeed.”

At Gleneagles in 2014, Mickelson had launched an astonishing attack on captain Tom Watson, whose folksy, schoolmasterly style had rubbed many of the players up the wrong way. Mickelson was an integral part of the task force set up in the wake of that defeat, and which enjoyed such success at Hazeltine two years ago. And so his responsibility for America’s failure in France goes deeper than his performance as a player. In part, it was a defeat of which he was the architect.
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[FONT=&quot]The putative role of the task force was to return power to the players. In truth, it was a sort of palace coup, concentrating power in a small handful of players: Woods, Mickelson, Davis Love III and their immediate circle, including the likes of Furyk, Steve Stricker and Lehman. The fact that most of these names were closely associated with the 2002-2014 era, the most ignominious in America’s Ryder Cup history, wasn’t even the main issue. Rather, the involvement of a few key players in selecting their captain created a monumental conflict of interest that only unravelled over three dispiriting days in France.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Furyk’s decision to give Mickelson a wildcard epitomised this. On one hand, Mickelson’s form was indifferent, the course was poorly suited to him, and on a setup that prioritised straight hitting, a man who was No 192 in the PGA Tour’s driving accuracy statistics this year didn’t really leap out as an obvious pick. Equally, though, even when he’s not playing well, it’s still Mickelson. “He provides a lot more than just play,” Furyk said. “He’s funny, he’s sarcastic, witty, likes to poke fun at people, and he’s a great guy to have in the team room.” @)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]If Furyk wanted a wisecracker in the team, he might as well have given one of his 12 slots to Chris Rock. But of course, Mickelson had played a pivotal role in appointing Furyk to the job in the first place. The pair were close friends and team-mates on nine Ryder Cups. Whatever the competing merits of Xander Schauffele, Patrick Cantlay, Kevin Kisner or Keegan Bradley, Furyk was never going to leave Mickelson at home. And whether you agree with the call or not, you can’t possibly argue that Furyk was a neutral arbitrator here.

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[FONT=&quot]This is what Reed meant when he referred to decisions being made by a “buddy system” within the US team - a small group of senior players including Woods and Mickelson, in league with the team management. Part of the role of the task force - since rebranded as the “Ryder Cup Committee” - is to ensure a smooth succession from captain to captain. Stricker is a strong favourite to take over in 2020, with Mickelson and Woods both being anointed as future captains at some point. Under the new regime, the US Ryder Cup captaincy is in danger of becoming a sort of crown, to be handed down to whoever is next in line, rather than the best man or woman for the job.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Home advantage can salve plenty of ills. US will be clear favourites at Whistling Straits in 2020, which they will doubtless set up to their strengths. Woods may well be there if he continues his remarkable restoration to the upper echelons of the game. Mickelson can never be counted out. Even if neither make the team by right, both will doubtless be present in some capacity. And so for all the failures they embodied on the course, in many ways Woods and Mickelson have already succeeded. They’ve managed to remake America’s Ryder Cup team in their own image: the present embodiment of a past legacy that - and we’re being exceptionally generous here - has produced largely mixed results.[/FONT]

 

[Greenbacks]

Someone on the United States' Ryder Cup team has zero patience with Patrick Reed questioning the pairings after this weekend's blowout loss to Europe.
Reed essentially threw captain Jim Furyk under the bus by telling The New York Times on Sunday that he was "blindsided" by not playing with Jordan Spieth after the pair's past success in international competitions.
"He is so full of s---,'' a member of Team USA told the New York Post on Monday. "Blindsided, my ass. He begged to play with Tiger.''
Reed went 0-2 with Tiger Woodsbefore winning his singles match over Tyrrell Hatton on Sunday. Reid and Woods sat Friday and Saturday afternoons.
"For somebody as successful in the Ryder Cup as I am, I don't think it's smart to sit me twice," Reed had told the Times.
Spieth and Reed had been 4-1-2 in the Ryder Cup and 8-1-3 including the Presidents Cup. They went 2-0-1 four years ago at Gleneagles and were 2-1-1 two years ago at Hazeltine. But there had been rumblings in recent weeks that Spieth wanted out of the pairing. Reed had, on a few occasions, mockingly remarked that he had "carried" Spieth in several of their previous victories.
And earlier this year, at the Arnold Palmer Invitational, Reed was dismayed when a rules official did not give him a favorable ruling and was heard to say that "if I were Jordan Spieth," he would have received it.
Spieth did have success being grouped with Justin Thomas, going 3-1.
On Saturday morning in a pairing with Woods, Reed struggled in a loss to Francesco Molinari and Tommy Fleetwood.
"He would have shot 83 on his own ball Saturday,'' the Team USA member said to the Post. "He totally screwed Tiger. He has no clue how to play team golf. I saw firsthand how bad of a team player he was. Eleven players understood the concept of team golf and only one didn't. Unfortunately, that one proved to be too costly for the team to overcome."
Reed, 28, told the Times after the Americans' crushing 17½-10½ defeat that the decision-making process around pairings was a "buddy system" that ignored the input of all but select players -- which would imply Phil Mickelson and Woods, who along with Furyk, are part of a Ryder Cup committee put in place four years ago.
"I feel so bad for Jim, because he was an unreal captain," the person told the Post. "He would have run through a wall for all 12 of the guys. Unfortunately, there were only 11 players that would have returned the favor.''

 

[Ricboff]

if one is looking for drama, you're better off following the men's Ryder Cup squad rather than the US women's Solheim Cup team, lol ........bunch of prima donnas.

"He is so full of s---,'' a member of Team USA told the New York Post on Monday. "Blindsided, my ass. He begged to play with Tiger.''

does this member have a name? he ask for anonymity? geez