Luckydan, and group i use the closing lines at wsex and or suncoast casino here in las vegas as im usuall at that casino or on the computer throughout the day. reason for this is that the pay touts usually through up a game that opens at lets say 2-, it gets bet up to -5 or so, most of the bettors get the game at 3 or over and lose, but they all claim to have given out this great winner. that is why a POW should be a lock at what ever you get it at, my TCU pick i feel is a lock at under 3, but not over that so if it does go over 3 by game time i was going to give out another game.