Russia Hid Saddam's WMDs

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By Ion Mihai Pacepa
Washington Times | October 2, 2003


http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=10111

The Soviet bloc not only sold Saddam its WMDs, but it showed them how to make them "disappear." Russia is still at it. Primakov was in Baghdad from December until a couple of days before the war, along with a team of Russian military experts led by two of Russia's topnotch "retired"generals: Vladislav Achalov, a former deputy defense minister, and Igor Maltsev, a former air defense chief of staff. They were all there receiving honorary medals from the Iraqi defense minister. They clearly were not there to give Saddam military advice for the upcoming war—Saddam's Katyusha launchers were of World War II vintage, and his T-72 tanks, BMP-1 fighting vehicles and MiG fighter planes were all obviously useless against America. "I did not fly to Baghdad to drink coffee," was what Gen. Achalov told the media afterward. They were there orchestrating Iraq's "Sarindar" plan.

The U.S. military in fact, has already found the only thing that would have been allowed to survive under the classic Soviet "Sarindar" plan to liquidate weapons arsenals in the event of defeat in war — the technological documents showing how to reproduce weapons stocks in just a few weeks.

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In 2002, under the pressure of a huge U.S. military buildup by a new U.S. administration, Saddam made yet another "Full, Final and Complete Disclosure," which was found to contain "false statements" and to constitute another "material breach" of U.N. and IAEA inspection and of paragraphs eight to 13 of resolution 687 (1991).

It was just a few days after this last "Disclosure," after a decade of intervening with the U.N. and the rest of the world on Iraq's behalf, that Gen. Primakov and his team of military experts landed in Baghdad — even though, with 200,000 U.S. troops at the border, war was imminent, and Moscow could no longer save Saddam Hussein. Gen. Primakov was undoubtedly cleaning up the loose ends of the "Sarindar" plan and assuring Saddam that Moscow would rebuild his weapons of mass destruction after the storm subsided for a good price.

 

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So:

Can you tell us the IAEA involvement in all of this please.

Thx

You know, the IAEA.
The guys at the UN security council that will make decisions on the proliferation of Iran and N.Korea.

Are they full of ****?
Or are they a part of the American way?

 

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Funny this story will be all over the place in the next few days, once again the liberal media carries the water for Kerry and it turns out to not even be a true story. Just shows Bush has been right on all accounts. 380 tons of explosives can be moved, but the whacked out left can't understand how chemical and biological weapons can be moved to Syria. Looks like Bush didn't rush to war fast enough, unfukkin believable!

 

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Gameface:

Dont hold your breath .. the only site running this story is the Drudge Report .. nothing on FOX, MSNBC & CNN

The Drudge report ranks right up with the National Enquirer

 

[eek.]

Just wondering...

Because it was them that exposed GWB in Iraq.

None of the USA's wonderful fantabulous media exposed this stuff.

It was the IAEA.

The rest of us found out.....through the IAEA.

 

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that frontpage shyt is one of the most right-wing-redneck-crackerhead bent manure rags you can possibly read. So if that's what you rely on, well wooo hooo.
Oh and egg on the face? Hmmm, lets see.......no wmd's and that was THE JUSTIFICATION given to our country and the world. Talk about egg on the face.

 

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I don't understand the obssession with the IAEA Eek. It is obvious that they've tried to influence this election, and made up facts to do it. If this 'cache' was so dangerous, why has it been 18 months before the IAEA said something? Why hasn't it been used?

Urgent Warning on Iraqi Cache Issued in 1995

BY ELI LAKE - Staff Reporter of the Sun
October 27, 2004

WASHINGTON - Nine years ago, U.N. weapons inspectors urgently called on the International Atomic Energy Agency to demolish powerful plastic explosives in a facility that Iraq's interim government said this month was looted due to poor security.

The chief American weapons inspector, Charles Duelfer, told The New York Sun yesterday that in 1995, when he was a member of the U.N. inspections team in Iraq, he urged the United Nations' atomic watchdog to remove tons of explosives that have since been declared missing.

Mr. Duelfer said he was rebuffed at the time by the Vienna-based agency because its officials were not convinced the presence of the HMX, RDX, and PETN explosives was directly related to Saddam Hussein's programs to amass weapons of mass destruction.

Instead of accepting recommendations to destroy the stocks, Mr. Duelfer said, the atomic-energy agency opted to continue to monitor them.

By e-mail, Mr. Duelfer wrote the Sun, "The policy was if acquired for the WMD program and used for it, it should be subject for destruction. The HMX was just that. Nevertheless the IAEA decided to let Iraq keep the stuff, like they needed more explosives."

On Monday a spokesman for the U.N. agency said its director general, Mohammed ElBaradei, was preparing a report on the missing material for the Security Council, concerned lest the explosives, which can be used to detonate a nuclear weapon, fall into the wrong hands. HMX, RDX, and PETN are more commonly used to create C4, an explosive that has both industrial and military uses. Libyan terrorists used a pound of similar plastic explosives in 1988 to destroy the commercial airliner Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland.

In 1995, Mr. ElBaradei was an assistant director of the the atomic-energy agency for external relations. His boss, Hans Blix, eventually took over the U.N. inspections team that was on the ground in Iraq before the war. Mr. Blix argued, in a book published after his retirement, that Iraq lacked the weapons programs American and European intelligence said it had kept concealed. Mr. Duelfer came to a similar conclusion, although he stressed in his report that Mr. Hussein had the intent to restart those programs.

Until this week, the Kerry campaign had used the assessments of the weapons inspectors to bludgeon the Bush administration for failing to substantiate the assertions it presented in March 2003 to justify the war. But yesterday the Kerry campaign launched an advertisement touting the failure to account for the explosives at Al Qaqaa as evidence of the president's incompetence.

The vice president of the American Enterprise Institute for foreign and defense policy studies, Danielle Pletka, told the Sun yesterday, "What is odd to me is that the Kerry campaign is suddenly concerned about WMD in Iraq and Mohammed ElBaradei after years of indifference, is suddenly concerned about conventional explosives in the Middle East." Ms. Pletka is a supporter of Mr. Bush's re-election.

The Bush campaign touted an NBC News report Monday that said the explosives were missing from Al Qaqaa when troops arrived at the facility April 10, 2003. U.N. weapons inspectors visited the facility on March 15 of that year and verified that the seals on the facility protecting the explosives were intact, according to agency's spokeswoman. The absence of the explosives less than four weeks later could suggest that they were gone before coalition troops had a chance to guard them.

NBC issued a corrective report last evening, however, saying the troops who visited the facility on April 10, 2003, did not look for the explosives. The reporter, Lai Ling Jew, who was embedded in the unit that arrived at the scene, said, "There wasn't a search."

"The mission that the brigade had was to get to Baghdad," she said. "That was more of a pit stop there for us. And, you know, the searching, I mean, certainly some of the soldiers headed off on their own, looked through the bunkers just to look at the vast amount of ordnance lying around. But as far as we could tell, there was no move to secure the weapons, nothing to keep looters away."

On Monday, a spokesman for the American mission at the United Nations questioned the timing of the release of the material on the part of Mr. ElBaradei. Rick Grenell told the Sun's Benny Avni the "timing seems puzzling."

After a behind-the-scenes battle inside the State Department this summer, the Bush administration opted to reject Mr. ElBaradei's bid for a third term as director general of the atomic energy agency.

At the time, Washington was collecting intelligence - disputed by some agencies - that Mr. ElBaradei was providing advice to Iran on how to avoid sanction from his organization for its previously undisclosed uranium enrichment programs.

Mr. al-Baradei has publicly urged the Iranians to heed an earlier pledge to suspend enrichment, but he has also opposed America's policy of taking Iranian violations to the U.N. Security Council. Mr. al-Baradei has announced he will nonetheless seek a third term. Nominations for the director general position close on December 31.

 

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Matt Drudge is the Limbaugh / Hannity of Internet Web Sites ... if this had meat dont think FOXX would have interrupted all programming to make this announcement???

 

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Matt Drudge is the Limbaugh / Hannity of Internet Web Sites ... if this had meat dont think FOXX would have interrupted all programming to make this announcement???

Doc, it's been about 2 hours since the Washington Times broke the story...how about waiting until tomorrow to see how big it is?

 

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Does it cover the scope of the IAEA ?


http://www.iaea.or.at/search97cgi/s97_cgi?action=View&VdkVgwKey=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eiaea%2Eorg%2FNewsCenter%2FFocus%2FIaeaIraq%2Fchrono%5Fjan%5F03%2Eshtml&QueryZip=status+of+nuclear+inspections+in+iraq&&viewTemplate=Iaea%2Fiaeacvw_smpl.hts&collection=IaeaSite

Just wondering.

(Let us know when you get a clue btw)

 

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How soon will we be seeing the artists renditions of Russian trucks in that convoy to the Syrian border. LOL

 

[Shotgun]

Does it cover the scope of the IAEA ?


http://www.iaea.or.at/search97cgi/s97_cgi?action=View&VdkVgwKey=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eiaea%2Eorg%2FNewsCenter%2FFocus%2FIaeaIraq%2Fchrono%5Fjan%5F03%2Eshtml&QueryZip=status+of+nuclear+inspections+in+iraq&&viewTemplate=Iaea%2Fiaeacvw_smpl.hts&collection=IaeaSite

Just wondering.

(Let us know when you get a clue btw)

Eek, what is that link supposed to tell me? There's no details in what they found at each site. Fortunately some people in the media are doing their job:

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=204304

But International Atomic Energy Agency documents obtained by ABC News and first reported on "World News Tonight with Peter Jennings" indicate the amount of missing explosives may be substantially less than the Iraqis reported.

The information on which the Iraqi Science Ministry based an Oct. 10 memo in which it reported that 377 tons of RDX explosives were missing — presumably stolen due to a lack of security — was based on "declaration" from July 15, 2002. At that time, the Iraqis said there were 141 tons of RDX explosives at the facility.

But the confidential IAEA documents obtained by ABC News show that on Jan. 14, 2003, the agency's inspectors recorded that just over three tons of RDX were stored at the facility — a considerable discrepancy from what the Iraqis reported.

The IAEA documents could mean that 138 tons of explosives were removed from the facility long before the United States launched "Operation Iraqi Freedom" in March 2003.

 

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Shotgun:

These "breaking" stories .. especially during the last week of the campaign, dont hold a lot of credibility with me

 

[Shotgun]

Doc, I wish John Kerry agreed with you; since he doesn't we have had to listen to 4 days of him talking about something that never happened. It does show how bankrupt his campaign is, however.

 

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Kerry continuing to run with a fraud/half baked story is basically his concession speech. Listen up because this may be all we hear, when the results of a big Bush victory come in he may go into hiding and Terrezzzzaa will surely give him the boot.