Royal Sports response

DarrylParsons · Jul 12, 2003

From the player's point of view, isn't the rule "when in doubt, stay away"? I mean the market has some real solid books out there so why go with ones that have controversial stuff going on? A bounced check of any sort is a pretty serious alarm bell is it not?

How high a probability do you need that you will experience BS to decide to stay away from a book? For me the threshold is certainly not more than 1%, but that's because I've been outright stiffed before and experienced lies, bounced checks and slow pays many, many times from books that otherwise seemed reliable. Maybe someone who has not had any bad experiences will see things differently.

I should also say that one of the slow pays was from Royal, although apparently that was under the old "regime". But am I going to be bothered trying to sort out the details of this internal shlt when I've got a choice of 10 or more super reliable books out there!? Hell no! Royal, as far as I'm concerned, you're outta there

, and there ain't nothin' your smiley customer service guys can do to get me back. It's not because I think you guys stink, but simply because you are far from the best, and why the heck should I go with a book like you when I can go with the best!?

TheGeneral+ · Jul 12, 2003

I wish Royal the best no doubt, but Darryl that is it. Management troubles only filter down to the help. Trouble there leads to trouble with players. Damn, I hope Royal comes out of this, but I would have to advise to stay clear until it is ALL under control.

Gamblers helping Gamblers i heard somewhere.

Boston1 · Jul 12, 2003

Don't want to beat a dead horse but once again give me one instance of a slow pay or no pay from Royal. You can talk about Scotty and the internal mess but as long as they pay who cares. SBR is somewhat biased in that Buzzsaw is very pro Olympic and Scotty Monroe so I feel his analysis is somewhat skewed on this issue. Go Royal!!!

majbrit · Jul 13, 2003

Has anyone here actually been slow paid or no paid by Betroyal? I am now asking this rhetorically but because I am really interested since I am thinking about depositing more money there.

.... · Jul 13, 2003

An asshole started this same shit about Heritage not too long ago. As far as Royal is concened I requested a $2500 neteller withdrawal last tuesday and I was paid in 15 minutes.

I also had requested a cashiers check for $2600 the day before, Kenneth gave the tracking number the next day. I recived the package on time on Wednesday!

Peep posted garbage 2-3 months ago regarding Royal also. Im sure alot of people have asked for withdrawals and so far not a single case of slow pay or no pay! Same with Heritage!

majbrit · Jul 13, 2003

Thanks for the reply! Everyone else been paid in a timely manner as well?

DarrylParsons · Jul 13, 2003

majbrit,

I was slowpaid by Royal about 9 months ago, but I should point out that they had a management change since then.

When I asked for the Neteller payment of about $2000 it showed up as pending on Neteller, which means they had enough cash at Neteller to make the payment (all they would have had to do is push a button and the money is mine), but instead they rejected it and sent me an email (which addressed not just me, but other players as well) which apologized for not paying right away, and said they had a large number of unexpected withdrawals from Neteller and that we should wait for them to transfer more funds there.

Sure enough I got the money 4 days later but needless to say I did not sleep too well for those 4 days.

It may not sound like a big deal but I have zero tolerance for this kind of BS. I suppose if we had no choice and it was either tolerate occasional BS vs. not gamble at all I may put up with it, but in this day and age when you have the Pinnacles, the Canbets, the WSEX's, the WWTS's and others who NEVER yank you around, I can't see any reason to put up with it anymore.

And even if the new management is on the level, and if they never had a slow payment in the last few months, think about what a bounced payroll check means....it means their cash flow is tight. It means that if someone by chance hits a $20,000 or larger parlay, either he or some other players will have to get slow paid for a while until they somehow manage the cash shortfall. At those other shops, there are cash reserves of tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of $, so no matter how lucky other players get, you will get paid ON TIME.

The GM could be the nicest, most honest guy in the world, but if he simply doesn't have enough cash, what is he going to do!?

Do you really want your future payouts to depend on other players not getting lucky? If I were you I would wait until they prove that they have their shlt together, and that means major cash reserves (with proof) and zero complaints from anyone who is owed money by them for several months.

As long as you have your money, you are in charge of your own fate, but once you give it to someone, they become in charge. Think about that, and make your decision accordingly.

Good luck!