Roberto - Thanks for the help with betPanAm.......but what about the reports at SportsBookReview???

STOPthepropagandaandBS · Apr 13, 2004

Roberto we all appreciate your efforts with helping with the panam assholes BUT...

What about all the SLOW pays and NO Pays that ROYAL sports currently has and has had for months now? You are STILL the CEO on record there.

SportsBookReview reports:

-04/12 SBR Bill Dozer reports: Royal claims rights to player's PanAm funds after player meets 10x rollover requirement. This is the e-mail sent to the player by Royal's CFO, Marco Swart.

-04/06 Royal Sports(SBR rating D-) Stalls and slow pays 8 year customer, acct ID 6721Txxx. Originally requested a payout on March 23, player has been told three times to call back for a tracking number. On the last request player was told the person who handles payouts "..is on vacation".(is this Roberto???)

04/05 Royal Sports (SBR rating D-) Minority shareholders receive "liquidation" letter from the CEO of Royal. In a letter to Royal's minority shareholders, lead attorney Daniel D. Zahavi recommends "I only have one advice: instigate legal procedures.." to stop what they believe is a sham. Meanwhile, Roberto C., CEO of Royal as well as owner of a new SBR imitator site, TheOffshoreWire.com, tells SBR that there are no improprieties. Roberto C. states that the sale is real and that the minority shareholders will get fair value for their ownership.

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I am a little CONFUSED to WHY you are down in panama when your own customers need to be paid.

And just for the record...I am NOT Sting, or Intuition Boob or the Shrink etc.

You owe an explaination to players like myself that read this forum and others...as what is going on does not make sense (other than getting players money back from those panama theives)

And again I am not trying to just give you a hard time I respect what you are doing but would like a STRAIGHT forward explaination of WHY you are going to bat for players at betpanam and NOT Royal.

Thanks

[This message was edited by FISHHEAD on April 13, 2004 at 09:55 AM.]

[This message was edited by STOP the propaganda and BS on April 13, 2004 at 11:16 PM.]

RobertoCastiglioni · Apr 13, 2004

Dear Sir,

My good friend SBR has been mixing waters here. Although he is well aware that I no longer manage Royal since last December 7th 2003 he seems to find the way to mention my name every now and then.

Mind that we have met, we have discussed over the phone, we have had mail correspondence. Nothing, he simply doesn't get it.

As far as Royal is concerned I do keep contacts with the new management. Seemengly some of the problems had in the past where primarily due because I had a family problem that kept me away from the Island across new year's eve.

Royal has slowly digested and absorbed the two major bailouts of 2003 ( GA and Blue Marlin ) which have indeed given their contribution to having players complain.

Bottom line is that I'm nowdays in a position from where the most I can do when it gets to Royal's matters is to advice my successor on what should be best to do. Nothing more, nothing less.

Should any problem with Royal arise with a legitimate player I will be more than happy to give my contribution to get the player paid.

Roberto

Fishhead · Apr 13, 2004

Thanks for your reply Roberto.

Bill also stated that you are the owner of offshorewire also, is that not true also?

Thanks

RobertoCastiglioni · Apr 13, 2004

Bill ???

This poster's style is somehowknown to me.....

Theoffshorewire : A friend of mine ( his nationality leeds him to prefer not to have his real name being mentioned ) asked me if I could help him out with his project. So I did and got him started by facilitating him in many ways.

As mentioned elsewhere there are things I don't like in the offshorewire.

However some people ( like SBR ) got on a crusade against this site, including the heavy allegations about my ownership. I don't see why they should fear it so much.

I'll ask you what I've asked them : Don't you think that theoffshorewire would have been better off if I had associated my name to it ?

I haven't since its not mine.

Anyways, I'll be seeing my friend J.F. in a few days and will discuss with him a few items.

Roberto

ps I would appreciate if the poster or mods could kindly edit the title of this thread. I have no mess in my backyard. The only mess I have to deal with is the growing number of Betpanam's players approaching me.

Fishhead · Apr 13, 2004

Thanks for clearing up Roberto.

Yes, I will edit the topic.

Pickles · Apr 13, 2004

No not quite RC-I call foul or misleading at BEST
rc posts today
Although he is well aware that I no longer manage Royal since last December 7th 2003 he seems to find the way to mention my name every now and then.
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email posted 13 days ago announcing sale of royal by curaworld to unknown parties...signed by(yep you guessed it)
Roberto Castiglioni
Managing Director
Curaworld N.V.

RobertoCastiglioni · Apr 13, 2004

Pickles,

Curaworld's shareholders have enpowered me to sell the assets ( within given boundaries ) and liquidate the Company.

I am currently busy with the second part of my task and will remain as Managing Director of a Company in liquidation until this process has been completed.

Its a law requirement.

Bottom line is that I have quit my position within Royal Sports on Dec 7th 2003.

This is very much factual. As its also widely known that, due to very personal reasons, I have been completely out of the Industry's loop for a couple of months, due to the very premature birth of my first son on December 19th 2003.

Foul ? Misleading ? Doesn't seem to me.

Btw, even my archy enemy Sting was kind enough to grant me the priviledge of his dump's main page with an article titled " remembering roberto " on December 8th 2003.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity of substantiating and confirm my previous statements.

Roberto

Buzzsaw · Apr 13, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>However some people ( like SBR ) got on a crusade against this site (TOW) --Roberto <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not true. I did ask if TOW would quit balantly copying and pasting SBR's Copyrighted material and calling it TOW's.

one · Apr 13, 2004

SBR is the only site telling the truth about Royal

pay attention

STOPthepropagandaandBS · Apr 13, 2004

Roberto,
Thanks for your reply...but to be honest it is a bit evasive. You avoided answering the questions I had about the SLOW-Pays.

I have seen on several site that posters have complained about NOT being able to withdraw, and/or getting the run-around etc.

In most of the threads I have seen that posters have had to request the help of PEEP or RX mods to call R$oyal and put pressure on them in order to get PAID.

As it seems the "squeaky wheel" gets paid first, and the one that don't make noise get the run-around.

Please explain.

You have also stated you are NOT involved with Royal when you are STILL the CEO on record. -see below-

Curacao Chamber of Commerence

Curaçao Commercial Register
Excerpt from the Commercial Register
Registration number: 78205 (0)
Date: April 13, 2004 Time: 11:09:58 PM

In the Commercial Register of the Curaçao Chamber of Commerce & Industry is registered with number 78205 the company with the trade name Royal Sports
Trade name Royal Sports
Legal form Limited Liability Company
Official company name CuraWorld N.V.
Statutory seat Curaçao
Date of incorporation February 12, 1998
Date established February 12, 1998
Authorized capital U.S.A. Dollar 30,000.00
Issued capital U.S.A. Dollar 30,000.00
Paid up capital U.S.A. Dollar 30,000.00
Is different shares There are different kinds of shares
Fiscal year The fiscal year is equal to the calendar year
Business address
Curaçao
Netherlands Antilles
Correspondence address same as above
Object categories of the business Lottery and Gambling, Investment Company
Official(s)
1
Function Statutory director
Title description General Managing Director
Name Roberto C.
Address x unit xxxx
Date of birth
Place of birth
Country of birth
Nationality
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Your colleagues in Curacao at the other sportsbooks have stated you ARE actively involved with Royal but just don't take phone calls.. So I am a bit confused to your above statments...as evasive as they are.

I started this thread to get some answers on why you are putting pressure on panama and what you are doing about Royal's slow-pays etc...and now I am totally dissappointed in your beating aroung the bush and how the Rx mods are NOT reporting what may really be going on here...and the fact that "Fishhead" edited the topic of this thread which just was "my question"

[This message was edited by FISHHEAD on April 14, 2004 at 09:50 AM.]

STOPthepropagandaandBS · Apr 13, 2004

SportsBookReview

one · Apr 13, 2004

oldies, but goodies --- and still not all paid up

-02/25 Royal Sports(SBR rating D) Postup player still waiting for $40,000(return of deposited funds, not winnings) which Royal claims were credited back to players credit cards in mid December - Player's credit card company denies any credits were ever sent by Royal. Player believes Royal is lying to him and that the money was never sent - Two new slow pay complaints received this week

-02/22 Royal Sports(SBR rating D) Second instance where big winner can not get paid as Royal searches, investigates & stalls for a reason to not pay- 1st player waiting 3 months for $90k, 2nd waiting 1 month for $30k

cashingtheticket · Apr 13, 2004

You are stupid to be playing at Royal. If you are having problems with that book then you cannot complain and have anybody feel sorry for you.

NBAlive2005 · Apr 14, 2004

SBR is really a junk site...

i don't bother reading or believing any bullshits they say

RobertoCastiglioni · Apr 14, 2004

Note to therx Mods :

I find it extremely annoying that a known poster ( albeit with a new handle, but the style says it all ) is allowed to copy/paste information containing my sensitive data, my residential adress and more.

Although these data are public if anyone feels interested he is free to look them up on his own at the chamber of commerce.

Having them posted on this website and leaving them hanging out for hours is definitely and unforgivable mistake.

I am preplex, to say the least.

Roberto

[This message was edited by Roberto Castiglioni on April 14, 2004 at 09:54 AM.]

Pickles · Apr 14, 2004

I dont know what data was put out but it seems as if either curacoa government or someone else was caught in a fib in which some public information was divulged here to show the unsuspecting(some maybe) here.

ps- meant to post earlier hope you and your family had a Great Easter weekend RC.

STOPthepropagandaandBS · Apr 14, 2004

Roberto,
I am not a ghost poster, I don't post under any other handle, so cut the B.S. it makes you look unprofessional.

One of your fellow sportsbooks in Curacao that I play at sent me the link for the chamber,and yes it's public info. I am appalled that you stated above that you are NOT involved with Royal when it's on a public record that you are still the CEO.

I started this thread to get some answers, and you confused me by not answering directly and then you stated you were NOT involved with royal when SBR states you are.

I have trusted SBR's site for quite awhile now and believe them to be reliable.....RX mods...has something chaned? Is SBR NOT to be trusted now as NBAlive2005 above has stated?

TheGeneral+ · Apr 14, 2004

SBR is like the rest of us. Far from perfect. I like having them around. They do their thing and we do ours. Hopefully, both make some good contributions to the gaming community.

wilheim · Apr 14, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> have trusted SBR's site for quite awhile now and believe them to be reliable.....RX mods...has something chaned? Is SBR NOT to be trusted now as NBAlive2005 above has stated? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who you choose to belive, or trust to be reliable is solely your own decision. Nothing has changed that I know of. Statements made by posters are their personal opinions, and should be viewed as such.

wil.

one · Apr 14, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by wilheim:
Statements made by posters are their personal opinions, and should be viewed as such.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> even when they're backed up with legal documents?