Ricardo Mayorga, Vernon Forrest, Round II...

[-Slim-]

I know its a bit early to start talking about a fight next Saturday night but Id really like to get a consensus opinion on this bout. Hopefully this thread wont simply sink to the bottom like many others have (not mine of course, LOL) When these two fought last time out I picked Mayorga to beat Forrest and basically came out saying how much Mayorga would surprise everyone pleasantly...well both pleasantly and unpleasantly for he can be quite a character...

This time around, Id like to see if we can get some solid opinions by the time Saturday comes around. Im looking at the Don Best odds and they have mayorga at +220, +230, not too shabby if u ask me.

I know the Shrink likes to bet boxing and heck he cant be that bad or he wouldnt have the money to keep this place running

, so Shrink if you could too, let us know what you think.

All are welcome to post whatever they think and heck, Railbird your opinion is welcome also if you want to share it with us.

Mayorga +220, +230 next Saturday July 12th.

 

[HABSMAN]

RUN FORREST RUN

 

[WalkofLife]

Bringing back your good memories: Slim giving away winners

This time around looks more complicated though. Last time Vernon Forrest went up to that ring, taking for granted he was gonna smash Mayorga. Mayorga is a good fighter, and he's got lots and lots of passion. And that's precisely what I would consider this time around:

1. Forrest is indeed a good fighter. He will not underestimate Mayorga this time. He has had the time to play that tape over and over again. He's got a good trainer and the experience to learn from his mistakes. His approach will be completely different this time.

2. Mayorga on the other hand is a very passionated fighter. The advantage he got last time was partly derived from Forrest not being prepared. And Mayorga has a history of fading off towards the end of the fight.

I think this fight is gonna be somewhat like the Oscar De La Hoya - Chavez fight. If you remember that fight, the golden boy took a beating throughout all the first 7 rounds of the fight. He then came back and took Chavez down in the 9th (?, don't remember). My point is if Mayorga hasn't improved on his resistance, Forrest might take him to a long fight just to wear him off, and then punish him. V. Forrest can pretty much be a technical fighter if he wants to, especially when fighting from the outside.

The better fighter will take the $$$, if this shit ain't fixed, anyway. With Boxing that's always a question.

 

[-Slim-]

True true, Walk, two things I want to point out.

The first, Mayorga just happens to have so much power in every punch, it just might be the fact that he swings every .34 seconds but he seems to have huge power. Huge power usually seems to come with a certain degree of ability to take punches. If im not mistaken and I remember correctly, Forrest has a frail body which doesnt bode well with that kind of power. At the same time, another thing that might affect the way I look at this is the stereotype that we have here about Nicaraguans. These are really tough people, who've gone through alot and are still standing, unlike us who've really had it easy the whole time....

My second point is the whole Las Vegas, Don King bit....Forrest doesnt really impress anyone off ring, Mayorga smokes, drinks alcohol, parties like Tyson, fu(ks, inhales, exhales, snorts (all the night before the fight) Some people love that, some hate that, but definitely, u have to say it attracts attention. Mayorga is the kind of guy that will hang around for a couple of years before finally fading away...

I hate to say this but I really like Mayorga. I dont know much about the technical aspects of boxing so perhaps some around here can help out.

 

[two_headed_monster]

Figured we'd post our thoughts on this rematch only because we did happen to catch the first one on HBO some months ago. Not experts or anything, we just love to watch/follow boxing as best we can....Ok, without a doubt we think Forrest came into the 1st fight vastly over-confident in himself having just come off back-to-back victories over the "great" Sugar Shane Moseley. He probably thought, as did we at the time, that if he was able to beat Moseley not once but twice then this Mayorga fella should be fairly game but certainly not a threat to actually win.
From the very start till his eventually being knocked the f*** out, Forrest fought Mayorga's fight plain and simple. Mayorga caught him totally off-guard with the power of his punches and with the success he had landing them early, and often. After a few rounds and numerous hard shots, you could clearly see how surprised Forrest was that this was happening. He must have thought to himself, "what the hell is going on?? I'm Vernon Forrest dammitt, the newly crowned GREAT ONE in this mutha. Ain't no way this clown is going to show me up, this is my time. I can punch better, faster, and harder than him. Watch me" And then, WHAM, its all over. Forrest and his pride got suckered into a street-fight with the guy whos better at the street-fight style than him.
In the rematch we expect to see a much more humble, focused, and prepared fighter in Forrest with a gameplan. And hopefully that plan is to concentrate on the technical side of this and box the way he did to get himself to the top in the first place. He will be under control and won't allow himself to get caught up in trying to prove he can hit harder than Mayorga because he can't and he should know that now. If he does these things he wins in the late rounds, if not he'll taste the canvas once again because Mayorga's gameplan will be the same as it was in the first fight. Hit him hard, a lot, and drop him before he drops you.

Forrest in the 7th if he boxes.
Mayorga in the 5th if they trade punches like the first fight.

two_headed_monster

 

[SuperWimp]

two headed...


so, in other words, you don't know.

 

[darwinmobley]

SUPERWIMPS DON'T LIKE BOXING!

I like Mayorga also, he's going to kick his lame ass again

 

[SuperWimp]

darwin didn't evolve

 

[darwinmobley]

superwimp

 

[SuperWimp]

Darwins' unevolved cousin, DarwinsTheory

 

[darwinmobley]

superwimp

 

[darwinmobley]

superwimp

 

[SuperWimp]

Darwins Theory:

What I will do to him:

The end result:

 

[two_headed_monster]

*lol* you guys are pretty funny....As for your question SUPERWIMP, we're picking Forrest to win the rematch. This is just our opinion on who will win, not a bet on Forrest because if we're talking from a betting point of view you have to play on Mayorga or don't bet it at all. No chance getting us to lay the -250 or so odds on Forrest, just not worth the risk even if he does end up winning. Maybe at anything below -200 we'd be tempted but this fight can truly go either way so of course we'd rather be getting the nice dog price with the fighter thats proven he can more than hold his own in there.

two_headed_monster

 

[SuperWimp]

all right, there is still plenty of time to get opinions in.

 

[TheGeneral+]

08.07 - Former WBC Welterweight king Vernon 'The Viper' Forrest reminds me more and more of the legendary Tommy 'The Hitman' Hearns all the time in which he is tall and lanky for a 147 pounder, has a sniper of a jab and a booming right hand just like 'The Hitman'.


The 32 year old Forrest even loses like Hearns making a ring brain mistake in his last encounter with 'El Matador' who by the way was anything but a Matador in that fight walking into just about everything Forrest threw at him in order to tee off himself. Instead of using his superior height and reach advantage Forrest decided to do the same thing as Mayorga and exchange blow for blow, but just like Hearns' decision to try and put Marvin Hagler away early cost him a third round TKO loss, so did it Vernon Forrest.

Now the cigarette smoking, beer drinking, 2-Time World Champion Ricardo Mayorga must be riding the clouds right now winning two world titles back to back and in doing so defeating the ever dangerous 'Six Heads' Lewis by fifth round stoppage and pound for pounder Vernon Forrest by third round stoppage. Vernon Forrest whipped another pound for pounder Shane Mosley twice who in turn beat 'Golden Boy' Oscar DeLa Hoya, so Ricardo can not be blamed if he is feeling on top of the world.


But come July 12th Mayorga (24-1-1-3) will have the opportunity to prove his victory over Vernon Forrest was no fluke but the conclusion of a well thought out fight plan to lure the technically superior ring technician into a toe to toe brawl. If he can repeat the coup de grace that he did on Forrest (35-1) then he can consider himself up there with DeLa Hoya, Mosley, Barrera, Mayweather and alike. If he can't then he will just be considered a big banger who got lucky and will be one to avoid in the future. If Forrest manages to avenge his lone loss to Mayorga then he will redeem himself and the third round TKO loss will be erased as a lesson learnt the hard way.

I suspect Forrest will be getting it drummed into his head by trainer Ronnie Shields by now to box Mayorga instead of brawling with him and to "make this a boring fight" as I recall Ronnie Shields instructions to Vernon Forrest between rounds during the Mosley rematch. But I can't help wonder if Forrest has learnt his lesson or not from the encounter with Mayorga by letting his emotions over rule reasoning, when he got dropped in the first round logic dictates that he should have kept his distance after that and Mayorga at the end of his jab but Forrest got all emotional after that knockdown and ignoring his corners advice he went out there and tried to out brawl the brawler...big mistake.

29 year old Ricardo Mayorga is now so confident he is going to win again he is willing to do a $100,000 dollar wager with anyone who doubts he can't knock Forrest out in two rounds, one round less than in their first fight. The Vegas bookies have it 3-1 in favor of Forrest winning and I second those odds. So if anyone has a spare $100,000 dollars laying around somewhere and are adamant he won't be able to finish Forrest in two rounds I suggest you get the word out to Mayorga that you will take him up on his bet. I'm not a gambling man myself and I don't have a spare $100,000 dollars laying around somewhere but if I was and if I did I'd be happy to double my money.

If Forrest wins by a wide unanimous decision and doesn't get to much trouble from Mayorga then I think he'll move on to other opponents like IBF Champion Cory Spinks or WBO Champion Antonio Margarito if he still wants to fulfill his dream of unifying the welterweight division. If Forrest struggles to beat Mayorga or he has to pick himself off the canvas once or twice on his way to winning then this could set up a second rematch to settle who is the better fighter once and for all.

Prediction - Vernon Forrest WTKO11


http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing-news/mollett0807.php

 

[-Slim-]

Mayorga le da revancha a forrest

Ricky será más contundente
• Dice que ahora solo le tomará dos asaltos derrotar a su rival

Arnoldo rivera j.
arivera@nacion.com
Redactor de La Nación



Solo soy un peleador, con o sin malos hábitos, es todo lo que soy”



Ricardo Mayorga



Campeón mundial welter



Además:


De un solo golpe




Cuando está en un ring , Ricardo Mayorga solo concibe un resultado: un triunfo suyo por knock out . El Matador regresa este sábado 12 de julio a los tinglados para darle la revancha al estadounidense Vernon Forrest, a quien noqueara en tres rounds el pasado 25 de enero para despojarlo de la corona welter del Consejo Mundial de Boxeo (CMB).

Mayorga –nacido en Nicaragua y formado como boxeador en Costa Rica– promete que ahora solo tardará dos asaltos en deshacerse de Forrest.



“Lo voy a noquear en dos. Sé que hay mucha gente que quiere verme pelear más; si HBO (empresa de televisión por cable) quiere puede contratar dos sparrings para que pelee contra ellos, después de noquear a Forrest”, expresó en declaraciones recogidas por el sitio especializado FightNews.com.



Golpe a golpe



Hasta el pasado domingo el campamento de Ricardo estuvo en Florida, bajo la supervisión del mexicano Héctor Pérez y con la ayuda del costarricense Luis León.



“Ricardo es una persona única. A veces hace cosas que uno no espera, pero en el gimnasio cumple todo sin problemas.



“Si él dice que lo va a hacer en dos, así será”, expresó Pérez, un veterano manejador de San Antonio, Texas.



Forrest no ha puesto atención a las palabras de su contendiente y es muy escueto en sus declaraciones. “De verdad, él no puede decir nada que me sorprenda”.



“Sé que esta vez no le va a gustar lo que tengo planeado para él”, aseguró Forrest, quien ya sabe a quién se enfrentará, lo que marca una diferencia respecto del primer choque entre ambos.



Como siempre, Ricardo trata de decir la última palabra.



“Si alguien tiene miedo de pelear, entonces tiene miedo de hablar; voy a hacer que solloce porque por su culpa me perdí el regalo del Día del Padre”, afirmó.



De 29 años de edad, Mayorga expondrá los dos cetros universales, pues también ostenta el de la Asociación Mundial de Boxeo (AMB). La pelea se efectuará en el hotel The Orleans de Las Vegas.



En Costa Rica, será vista –a partir de las 10:30 p. m.– por HBO Olé (canal 15, Cable Tica; 41 en América y Amnet).



Fuentes: páginas digitales de Don King Productions, la WBA, FightNew, Boxing Inside, La Prensa de Nicaragua.



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De un solo golpe

Nombre: Ricardo Mayorga.


Nombres de guerra: Matador o Ricky .


Edad: 29 años.


Campeón: mundial de la Asociación Mundial de Boxeo (AMB) y Consejo Mundial de Boxeo (CMB).


Peso: welter (147 libras o 66,68 kilogramos).


Récord: 24 victorias, 3 derrotas, 1 empate, 1 pelea sin decisión, 22 triunfos por la vía rápida. Como aficionado solo reporta seis o siete combates, no existe un dato exacto. Debutó a la edad de 19 años en San José y perdió por k. o. técnico ante Humberto Aranda.


Características: un pegador total. Posee un estilo extremadamente agresivo y una pegada poderosa. Le gusta la pelea en corto y lanza una buena cantidad de golpes.

Fuente: FightNews.com

 

[-Slim-]

Bump to the top. Fight is tonight. Appreciate any last minute comments.

GO RICKY!!!

 

[WalkofLife]

-SLIM-:

I'd take Mayorga as a value pick. +230 ain't bad. But I think it'll be a close fight. If Forrest has done his homework, he knows he's gotta be up to a long fight. Mayorga is known for his lack of ability to last; he's a heavy hitter, he's got that. But if Forrest fights his way out of Mayorga's right jab and the first 4-5 rounds, he might take "el Matador" down in the last rounds.

I'd play the following prop:

Will the fight go fill 8½ rounds? Yes +110.

I find value in that prop too.

 

[-Slim-]

The more I see stuff on tv, the more I respect Forrest but no no no, this won will be won my Mayorga. I do not think It'll go to the cards but who knows. I'll say Mayorga in the 5th.