Question for the older Gamblers /Posters and Offshore workers/bookies about Pete Rose?

[Kevy]

Fellas, I wasn't old enough yet to bet on Baseball when Pete Rose was managing. I never
even saw that many Reds games for that matter. My question is, as bettors or bookmakers did you in your gut ever suspect he had money on the Reds, in a game where you had bet them also. Either the way he handled a starter or bullpen pitcher? Or just body language for that matter? Very interested in all your responses.

 

[oldmantime]

It's tough to say. I saw him as a player and If he was betting in those days --it was DAMN sure on HIS team! He played harder than ANY player I've ever seen, As a manager--I have no idea that he was gambling. The passion did not seem there as when he was younger. Maybe his compulsion was way out there by then if he was actually placing wagers from the dugout and clubhouse. That's pretty desperate if you ask me. Another player, most here know, Cal Ripken Jr. was asked in an interview last summer what his thoughts were about Rose, etc. Cal said then 'that he believed Pete should be in the Hall of Fame, but wasn't so sure about back in baseball'.
You had to watch Rose play to appreciate what he brought to the game. HIS hits record won't be broken in my lifetime!! I feel badly for him but am probably in the minority.

 

[Kevy]

Oldmantime, I heard on the Espn Talk Radio today that he admitted that he bet on the Reds to win when he did bet on them, never against them.

 

[wilheim]

Had no clue he bet when he was a player or manager.

wil.

 

[5teamparlay]

every player should play like he bet on his team to win.

 

[huggybear+]

He still owes one person I know 50k. He is a deadbeat in my book. But he belongs in the Hall

 

[sportsadvisory]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It's tough to say. I saw him as a player and If he was betting in those days --it was DAMN sure on HIS team! He played harder than ANY player I've ever seen <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True true. He's still my favorite player of all time.

 

[Kiss1]

I never had a clue. It seems like yesterday when Eric Show gave up the hit.

Show was found dead in a bath tub years later. Strange things happened to a couple of our pitchers that year.

When a saw Pete play he looked like he would happily give up a 5K bet for a game winning hit. Always a pain in the ass to get out.

 

[sherman]

I agree with Cal Ripken Jr. Pete belongs in the Hall Of Fame, not back in baseball.

I had no idea he was betting baseball when seeing him manage, but aren't ALL managers second guessed anyway? So that really wouldn't prove anything.

 

[drunkguy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kevy:
Oldmantime, I heard on the Espn Talk Radio today that he admitted that he bet on the Reds to win when he did bet on them, never against them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you belive that, you may as well belive the lie he's been telling the past 15 years that he never bet on baseball period.

Credible reports have him at least half a million in the hole at times (probably more).

He said recently that he never used inside information, injuries, etc when betting.

MY ASS!

Any compulsive gambler with half a mil in debt is going to do WHATEVER it takes to chase those losses back.

 

[wilheim]

Drunk - I have to agree, no way he does'nt bet on, and against the Reds. Naturally he is going to say he only bet on them. Hell, it took him how many years just to admit he bet at all. Sad part is he still could'nt win, and he was the MANAGER.

wil.

 

[Mr.Jones]

I saw Pete Rose play throughout his career. He was truly a great ballplayer.

A guy I would have liked to see play is "Shoeless" Joe Jackson whose lifetime batting average was 53 points higher than Rose's and who put up greater numbers in the 1919 World Series than Rose did in any of the many he played in.

And I would also have liked to see a Joe Jackson plaque in Cooperstown the last time I was there too.

 

[wilheim]

Mr. Jones the two "cases" are totally different. Rose had plenty of money, but an addiction. Old man Cominsky literally starved his players financially, which indirectly led to them being vunerable to bribes. I am not saying what the black sox did was right or not their fault, just very different than Rose's wrongdoing.


wil.

 

[oldmantime]

Personally, I didn't think his TV interview that I just saw went over all that well. Hopefully I am wrong . He's going to be on the Today Show tomorrow(Friday) to answer questions.


He could be in denial--If he's bought a race horse. Say it ain't so Pete.

 

[DENIRO]

i think the biggest lie

is football, baseball,basketball,ncaa..., and all sports
almost deneying the association with gambling

gambling is sports and sports is gambling

the liers are the the commisioners, presidents of associations of all sports acting like there is no connectin. there "pure and holy" sport. its so laughable. pointspreads in everynewspaper, announcers picking winners,holding kickoff times for more betting...

its so funny this holy baseball. you go jail injecting steroids buts not even illegal in baseball

what hypocrites

 

[Mr.Jones]

Wil,
I realize the cases are different and also I've read almost everything I could get my hands on about the Black Sox.

No question Comiskey was a despicable curmudgeon. However, in no way does that excuse the Black Sox. As I'm sure you know, Jackson played spectacularly in that Series. He was not an overly sophisticated man and the bottom line is he did nothing whatsoever to throw any of those games.

I simply feel if Rose goes into the Hall, Jackson should too. In fact, Jackson IMO should have long since been inducted regardless of whether Rose ever is.

As for Rose, I could care less. A local sportswriter the other day suggested that if he does get in, his plaque should have an asterisk and a disclaimer on it.

 

Some guy on the radio made a good point the other day.

If Rose bet with a book ON the Reds. The day that he DOESN't bet on them is a bet AGAINST them. In other words, the book can use the info that "Rose is not betting on Cinn. today, he must think they won't win."

This type of thing is why the sports are so aginst gambling by participants/owners.

Interestingly though, the NFL was basically started by a bunch of bookies and gamblers.

-Zip

 

[Horseshoe]

Come on fellas, he wasn't the only one to gamble, he was the only one caught, look at how many former players wind up as touts or spokemen for Offshores'..who is naive enough to think that they all took up wagering, only after the playing days ended ?

Locals & The FBI, have turned over more info to conference & league commisioners that was subsequently swept under the rug, than we could fathom...and some members of the '50s Lions, '60s Packers & Chiefs, '70s Reds, '80s Pistons, '90s Knicks sleep well due to this!

"Protect The Integrity"/Public Trust at all cost..even if it requires a 'lil rug-sweeping!

Peanut Butter and Jelly, Lamb Shank and Mint Jelly, Turkey and Mayonaise, Marylin Chambers and Cock, Beer and Pizza..SPORTS AND GAMBLING!

 

[sherman]

Yeah, didn't Mr. Popodopolous and a few other guys get caught betting on their own football games?

 

[Skyweasel]

the archives here cant be searched back more than about 4 months; there were some good discussions on the subject by knowledgeable people a year or two ago, but finding them now would be a big chore.