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Everyone seems to think the game is over and was played yesterday; I really don’t see it this way. I have complimented Bama numerous times here at the RX and have called them the best team in NCAA this year. So I am not a basher, have a lot of respect for the program and the coach. Have not always felt that way, but how can you not? What happened last year does not matter this year? However, when looking at the very few games Alabama has lost the last few years there are some patterns that I see.

I could be dead wrong and these are only my thoughts and observations which are worthless.

The Michigan State game was such a match up nightmare for them it was almost laughable. I think if you look up Saban’s comments before the game and after he references “match ups” a lot when discussing opponents.

Kirby Smart, I think he is one of the most over rated coaches in ncaa. I will add if I were a Georgia fan and I saw him appointed our new head football coach but still standing on the sidelines for enemy #1 for a few more weeks I would not be happy. I also remember watching a Nick Saban interview where he once talked about assistant coaches getting other jobs as head coaches and it serves both schools involved for that coach to move because you can’t be two things at the same time.
Back to Kirby, how can he not be a “good” coordinator with a team filled with NFL talent and depth? I could be the defensive coordinator at Alabama and be just as good as him along with any of you with a coaching/playing background in the game.

If you look at some of the few loses bama has had over the last 3 or 4 years they were against teams who presented some “matchup” problems as they possessed above average talent but not equal to Bama, mobile QB’s, a tempo offense with the ability to run it or throw it, and a defense athletic enough to neutralize the Alabama skill along with out coaching Kirby on the offensive side of the ball.

On a side note, I don’t know how people continue to bash Lane Kiffin and the job he has done at Alabama.

Back to Kirby, after 6 loses to teams with the characteristics I mentioned above, he has yet to show the ability to make adjustments or stop a team like that. If you think back to the Ohio State game, while the final score was close, it did not tell the story of how Ohio State moved the ball for the most part up and down the field at will. I cannot give Kirby Smart the benefit of the doubt now more than ever as he is splitting his time between two teams.

Clemson has held their own vs some very good teams as Swinney has been building this program with big wins over LSU, FSU, ND, Ohio State, Oklahoma ( 2 times ). I think if they play their best there is no reason they cannot win the game. They also come in with that big chip on their shoulder. Something else that is impressive with this team is that they continually overcome self-inflicted wounds with turnovers and win games. Based on prior performance I do think they move the ball and score on Alabama.

Having come to the conclusion that I feel Clemson will move the ball and score. It brings me to another part of the game. The Alabama offense. They are a machine when being successful doing what they want to do. Playing with a lead, pounding ball, and throwing when they want to throw it. They have demonstrated in the past when behind on the score board, the tendency to get away from the running game and throwing it much more than their fans have liked.

So assume they fall behind on the score board, abandon the run and turn to the passing game as they feel they must score and “keep up” with the opponent. Have they been successful doing this? Personally I don’t think they have.

I played Clemson on the ML +158 versus OU and will be playing Clemson on the ML when I feel the number has peaked, tonight when I checked it was +240.

If you do not present matchup problems for them Alabama will wipe the floor with you as they did with Michigan State. If you do present matchup problems you stand a chance vs this power house.

Nothing but respect for Nick Saban and his teams and I wish fans of both teams good luck.

So my question.. how do you think these two teams match up?
 

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Simple: Alabama's defensive line beats the hell out of Clemson's offensive line.

Bottom line...........................................................................................
 

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Alabama's current defensive line attacks the gaps immediately and more frequently than units of years past. Bama no longer uses a massive nose tackle like Cody to occupy linemen and allow others to make the play. The D- ends of previous years had more 2 gap responsibility and were required to read the play before rushing the passer. Now we have more guys immediately attacking the gaps and the results speak for themselves. They blow up rushing plays with penetration and get to the quarterback more than previous teams have. These guys also lost a lot of weight in the off season so they can stay on the field longer against this type of offense.

I am not trying to sound like a coach so someone who can explain it better can feel free to jump in.
 

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Low Tide, I have been following Alabama football (maybe) longer than you have been alive.

This is the BEST defensive line (8 players) I have ever seen.

Clemson's OL with all new starters have not faced the size, strength and quickness about to confront them.

Tiger OL has developed and major reason offense has been a force. AIN'T faced all MEN in the ACC.
 

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Why the hatred toward Kirby? He has been calling the D for years now. He is probably the best recruiter in the country. As a UGA fan, I am pleased to see how good he has done so far. Watch some of the interviews with Saban as he discusses Kirby.

As for Bamas D.....this is the best unit I have seen them have on the front 7 in years. Clemson will either need Bama to be careless with the ball or jump on the Tide early. Both can be down. Clemsons gameplan to trade punches, they will be wore down in the trenches and will become demoralized in the 2H. Watson is a player, but he hasnt seen speed with this size.

Clemson will need turnovers.
 

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I think Clemson d will hold Alabama offense in check. Will be a very close game imo and should be low scoring
 

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Deshaun Watson may not be Johnny Football who gave Saban PLENTY of problems, Saban even admitting that his toughest defensive issue has been dealing with the dual threat type QB. I leave it to the readers to predict how Watson might perform here. This could be big.
 

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1osubucks, we are pretty much on the exact same page:

1. I thought Bama/Mich St was an ugly matchup from the beginning. Too one dimensional. I didn't think Bama had any chance of losing that game. A little surprised at how big of a blowout it was but Mich St had zero chance as soon as the matchup was announced.

2. I also do not understand the fascination with Kirby Smart. I think he is a really good coordinator. I think he would be a pretty darn good hire at any number of schools. But I don't understand UGA seemingly not even considering any other candidates. UGA is an absolute premium coaching position. Top 5 to 10 type job. UGA has an immense amount of high school football talent and are the main university in UGA with a decided advantage over the other in-state option. UGA fans, I mean that as a compliment that I think you could've done better. Not necessarily as an insult to Smart.

3. I think Clemson and Dabo have recruited really well and have a ton of team speed. Clemson is far from one dimensional and have an incredible talent at QB. I think Alabama fans will agree that their few losses over the past 3-4 years have been at the hands of excellent QBs. And most of those QBs have been running threats and spread type offenses.

I li expect a great game Monday night. Definitely the two most deserving teams playing.
 

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Kirby Smart, I think he is one of the most over rated coaches in ncaa. I will add if I were a Georgia fan and I saw him appointed our new head football coach but still standing on the sidelines for enemy #1 for a few more weeks I would not be happy. I also remember watching a Nick Saban interview where he once talked about assistant coaches getting other jobs as head coaches and it serves both schools involved for that coach to move because you can’t be two things at the same time.
Back to Kirby, how can he not be a “good” coordinator with a team filled with NFL talent and depth? I could be the defensive coordinator at Alabama and be just as good as him along with any of you with a coaching/playing background in the game.


If you look at some of the few loses bama has had over the last 3 or 4 years they were against teams who presented some “matchup” problems as they possessed above average talent but not equal to Bama, mobile QB’s, a tempo offense with the ability to run it or throw it, and a defense athletic enough to neutralize the Alabama skill along with out coaching Kirby on the offensive side of the ball.


you posted the same thing a week or two ago so I will answer you again.


your categorization of Smart is completely incorrect. If you respect Saban so much how can you think that he would allow some bozo to run his defense for 8 years? your one sentence is very telling...."Back to Kirby, how can he not be a “good” coordinator with a team filled with NFL talent and depth?


huh?


how do you think the team is filled with NFL talent and depth? It's because of the system that Kirby runs and his incredible ability to recruit. He's had a ton of position coaches and nobody on his defensive staff, except Schumann, has been there more than a year or two so he's able to continually recruit and coach this talent with new position coaches every year. As you know every single recruit he signs was offered and wanted by the top programs in the nation so he needs to FILL this defense with recruits and depth which is not easy. Getting a kid like Hand or Ragland or Williams to basically be special teams and practice players for 2 years is much more difficult than handing them a starting position so i would say his job as DC is far more difficult than at least 100 other programs, yet he's done it without a hiccup. I believe it's just 1 of his defenses ever fell outside the top 10 and it was last year (12th or 14th).


enough of the mobile QB talk, it's just silly. The loss this year wasn't because of Kelly's mobility it was lucky bounces and turnovers...period. Last year it wasn't Cardale Jones' mobility it was his accuracy coupled with your Oline destroying Bama up the middle as Zeke ran for 10 yards per carry. Then again when you only lose 1 or 2 games/year it is much easier to look for similarities but you can't tell me LSU (the 9-6 game) or Oklahoma (Knight) or Utah or USCe with Garcia (2010 i believe) were losses because of mobile QB. Manziel tore us apart many years ago but he was the best player in the country, same with sCam Newton, so if you're saying that Kirby Smart sucks when up against the best QB in the nation you might be right.


Smart is phenomenal...I don't like that he's taking so much of this staff with him to Athens but there is no magic bullet to beating his defense or it would happen more than once/year. Alabama has dominated many more high-tempo mobile qb than they lost to but it's no fun for ESPN, or Conan, or Winone, or Jwhite or PeePee or TacoPants or any of the other bama haters to make such a logical point.


Smart completely changed the focus of his defense after the Manziel game to recruit and develop smaller, more athletic defensive lineman that make plays. The fruits of that system change are being shown this year and will really hit home on NFL Draft Day 2016 when 3 of his Dlineman are taken in first round. It took a few years and some growing pains to make this adjustment but the "old scheme" of defensive lineman that hold up the play for a LB to collect the hit are over. Obviously the LB have been great in the past (mcclain, moseley, hightower, upshaw, etc) but now it's far more focused on Dline talent and pressure. Guys like Cody or Williams weren't there to pressure the QB or attack the RB behind the line of scrimmage...completely different defense with Williams, Hand, A'Shawn, Reed, Allen, etc and this was fully due to Smart adjusting the scheme, recruiting the right players, and developing them totally different than before Manziel. Johnny Football work Smart up....no doubt...and every QB they have faced this season is learning it the hard way
 

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Johnny Football WOKE Smart up....no doubt...and every QB they have faced this season is learning it the hard way
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Guys i will be the first to say I could be dead wrong, i was just sharing my thoughts, as I said above which are worthless. i just don't get the fascination with Kirby.

I respect all of your positions, you guys are all very knowledgeable and obvious know much more then me about Bama and the SEC.

I will be the first to say in the past I have said some pretty stupid things, but as I type this I am more convinced then ever that we will never in our lifetime or the next see another guy like Nick Saban. I dont know enough about Bear Bryant to compare, but I dont see how there could be a better one then Nick. How lucky are the bama fans to have had both of these guys?

There are so many haters here its commical at times, but how do you diminsh anything that has been done in the sec, especially at bama.


Kirby will have his chance to prove me wrong, but I feel pretty confident Alabama will not skip a beat with out him and Georgia fans can only hope for the best.
 

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after I hit post, i had this thought... think about Nick Saban. he has set the bar so high it is costing good coaches their jobs. I know there may not be much love for mark richt from the UGA fans but there are many schools that would die to have a man of his character lead their program and their student athletes.

saban is simply the best and we will never see the dominance in college football we have witnessed with him leading alabama again. just think about the poor guy who has to replace him?
 

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Great game last night. Both teams played good enough to win but have to give credit to Saban for being the best as he is. Big games come down to a few plays and his onside kick was a game changer.

Kirby Smart is still who I think he is, did noting to change my mind last night. Good news for Bama is he is gone and Pruitt is in !

UGA fans will now be the judge and jury on how great a coach he is.

How about Lane Kiffin?? So many Bama fans have bashed him the last 2 years and he is probably the most valuable asst coach on the team. What a great job he did last night with formations and play calling. Many are saying Clemson had some busted coverages, which you could call them, but I look at it from the other side and how Kiffin schemed those plays and formations to create the situation.

Congrats to Bama fans, great team, great program. We will never see another like it in our lifetime..
 

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not too much objectivity here boys :)

let's just say the Bama defense didn't dominate

and MSU was a very different match-up than Clemson
 

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Kirby Smart is still who I think he is, did noting to change my mind last night. Good news for Bama is he is gone and Pruitt is in !
as i said above if it takes one of the two most dynamic qb's in the nation in that particular year (deshaun, manziel, sCam) to throw crazy yards on a kirby smart defense i think georgia is in very good hands with Smart

interesting to note that all 4 Smart/Saban titles had Pruitt involved....3 as a position coach on defense and this year as DC-in-waiting (certainly consulted with team as he faced Clemson 2x in last 3 years).

I think you will see on LOI day next month one of the great values of Kirby Smart as he might just have the #1 recruiting class in nation. But as last night showed with creating plays for OJ Howard and calling an onside kick at 24-24 head coaching is more than just recruiting.
 
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Fuck Alabama. Tree poisoning ass rednecks. Disgrace to the sports world.
 

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Fuck Alabama. Tree poisoning ass rednecks. Disgrace to the sports world.

Mobbie, you sure you don't mean "Fuck Alabama" 2015 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS or "Fuck Alabama" four time NATIONAL
CHAMPIONS the past 7 years or maybe "Fuck Alabama" because the school has won more NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS
than any other school.

Classic post by a blackneck though.
 
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Mobbie, you sure you don't mean "Fuck Alabama" 2015 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS or "Fuck Alabama" four time NATIONAL
CHAMPIONS the past 7 years or maybe "Fuck Alabama" because the school has won more NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS
than any other school.

Classic post by a blackneck though.

Nah I meant fuck Alabama you tree poisoning redneckz
 

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Alabama coaches making some nice bonuses after winning the National Championship. Saban will
receive close to $700,000. Defensive coordinator Kirby Smart $250,000. Offensive coordinator
Lane Kiffin $150,000. Even the strength/conditioning coach will pull in $92,000. All the assistants
will receive a nice bonus for a great season.

Good to be an Alabama redneck coach...know what I mean blackneck.
 

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