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I really miss working out while on those ephedra products. I never abused it--I took the recommended dosages and took time off between "cycles" of it.

My question: has anybody found anything as good for energy and fat loss? Is there any loophole where you can still get ephedra products, like Clenbutrx or Dymetedrine Extreme? I've tried Hot-Rox and some other "replacements" but nothing comes close to the real thing. Shame that some people abused it and they had to take it off the market...

Thanks in advance for your help.
 

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Pimp, what is wrong with a solid natural workout Sir? No pain, no gain. Mind over matter.
 

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Pimp...I would recommend 45 mins 3 times a week....20 mins cardio and 25 mins circut weight training....and if your going to eat a junky mean during the day eat it at LUNCH then balance it out on either side with small sensible meals


It has worked for me and the General went from 420lbs to 250 he is on fire
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Had a long discussion thread on this previously where I asked basically the same question.

Most of the stuff out there now is crap and a waste of your money compared to the old stuff. I'm going to give Stacker 3 a try, though.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The General:
Pimp, what is wrong with a solid natural workout Sir? No pain, no gain. Mind over matter. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

General, I know...I was in the Corps too: "it's only mind over matter, if you don't mind, then it don't matter."

But I've been out of the USMC for 15 yrs, and sometimes I don't get enough sleep and want an energy boost.
 

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If you want Ephedrine go to Walgreens and get Primatine Tablets - two tablets equals 25mg of Ephedrine - take a cafeine pill with this and it is better than what you had before.
 

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Best of luck Pimpin,. I am sure you are aware of the results that may occur by using performance enhancing medication, even coffee. Life is full of choices and we have to be able and look in the mirror those final days and take responsibility for our actions.

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uh, General, with all due respect, I think you are making too much of this. It's a dietary supplement, not heroin or steroids. Thanks for your concern though, I know you mean well.
 

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Pimpin,

I work out 3x a week and I've been considering taking supplements like creatine or other amino acid mixtures, but I decided against it. Reason -- my philosophy of life which says basically: don't F with mother nature or else later on mother nature will F with you.

It's true those ingredients can be found in everyday foods, but never isolated like that or in such high concentrations. So supplements are unnatural any way you look at it.

I even stopped drinking coffee a couple of weeks ago and it's improved my overall mood and energy level.

Of course I'm not one to tell others how to run their lives. I'm just reminding you that everything comes with a price. You have to decide if you're willing to pay it or not.
 

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I have a bottle of unopened Xendarine. All yours if you want it. I will never use supplements again. Not natural at all. Made my heart want to jump outta my chest, and yes i was using it as directed.
 

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amino acids are good stuff from my experience. Concentrate Protein. Same as a nice 3 eggwhite shake in the morning. I used to take 15 amino pills a day and drink the eggwhites. The difference was tremendous in lifting.
 

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