Um. The ubiquitous theory that life came from some warm pond of
goo came straight from Darwin.
"If we could conceive in some warm little pond, with all sorts of ammonia and phosphoric salts, lights, heat, electricity, etc. present, that a protein compound was chemically formed ready to undergo still more complex changes, at the present day such matter would be instantly devoured or absorbed, which would not have been the case before living creatures were formed."
Charles Darwin, 1871
goo came straight from Darwin.
"If we could conceive in some warm little pond, with all sorts of ammonia and phosphoric salts, lights, heat, electricity, etc. present, that a protein compound was chemically formed ready to undergo still more complex changes, at the present day such matter would be instantly devoured or absorbed, which would not have been the case before living creatures were formed."
Charles Darwin, 1871
Oh, and by the way, it was the "Christian Biologist," the
"FATHER OF MICRO-BIOLOGY" Louis Pasteur
who proved that life didn't evolve from non-life:
Law of Biogenesis: The famous French scientist and skeptic of Darwinism, Louis Pasteur, proved that life comes only from life. Life has never been observed to come from non-life, not even mind-bogglingly rich concentrations of organic molecules such as a sealed can of food. Belief in the origin of life in the past from non-life is thus a violation of one of the fundamental laws of biology, the Law of Biogenesis.
Louis Pasteur (1822-1895) is considered by many to be the father of microbiology. His discovery that most infectious diseases are caused by germs, known as the "germ theory of disease," is one of the most important in medical history. From his work also stemmed additional branches of science: stereochemistry, bacteriology, virology, immunology, and molecular biology.
Other very significant contributions to science include the process of pasteurization, which bears his name, and the debunking of the once popular idea of spontaneous generation. Louis discovered that heating foods such as wine, beer or milk briefly to 135 degrees F. destroyed the dangerous microbes without ruining the flavor.
In 1847, while a student at the Ecole Normale, Pasteur found that molecular asymmetry differentiates the organic world from the mineral world. He used this knowledge to determine that fermentation of alcohol was not a purely chemical process, but required microorganisms.
Louis also discovered three bacteria: staphylococcus, streptococcus and pneumococcus. He developed vaccines against chicken cholera, anthrax, swine erysipelas, and rabies. His rabies treatment was tested on a man in 1885 for the first time.
Pasteur's son-in-law (Rene Vallery Radot) said that absolute faith in God and in eternity were feelings which filled Louis Pasteur's whole life. In his panegyric of Littré, whose fauteuil he took, he said: "Happy the man who bears within him a divinity, an ideal of beauty and obeys it; and ideal of art, and ideal of science, an ideal of country, and ideal of the virtues of the Gospel."[1]
Oh, but the kool-aid drinkers are brain-washed to think that
"Creationist Biologist" is an oxy-moron.
"FATHER OF MICRO-BIOLOGY" Louis Pasteur
who proved that life didn't evolve from non-life:
Law of Biogenesis: The famous French scientist and skeptic of Darwinism, Louis Pasteur, proved that life comes only from life. Life has never been observed to come from non-life, not even mind-bogglingly rich concentrations of organic molecules such as a sealed can of food. Belief in the origin of life in the past from non-life is thus a violation of one of the fundamental laws of biology, the Law of Biogenesis.
Louis Pasteur (1822-1895) is considered by many to be the father of microbiology. His discovery that most infectious diseases are caused by germs, known as the "germ theory of disease," is one of the most important in medical history. From his work also stemmed additional branches of science: stereochemistry, bacteriology, virology, immunology, and molecular biology.
Other very significant contributions to science include the process of pasteurization, which bears his name, and the debunking of the once popular idea of spontaneous generation. Louis discovered that heating foods such as wine, beer or milk briefly to 135 degrees F. destroyed the dangerous microbes without ruining the flavor.
In 1847, while a student at the Ecole Normale, Pasteur found that molecular asymmetry differentiates the organic world from the mineral world. He used this knowledge to determine that fermentation of alcohol was not a purely chemical process, but required microorganisms.
Louis also discovered three bacteria: staphylococcus, streptococcus and pneumococcus. He developed vaccines against chicken cholera, anthrax, swine erysipelas, and rabies. His rabies treatment was tested on a man in 1885 for the first time.
Pasteur's son-in-law (Rene Vallery Radot) said that absolute faith in God and in eternity were feelings which filled Louis Pasteur's whole life. In his panegyric of Littré, whose fauteuil he took, he said: "Happy the man who bears within him a divinity, an ideal of beauty and obeys it; and ideal of art, and ideal of science, an ideal of country, and ideal of the virtues of the Gospel."[1]
Oh, but the kool-aid drinkers are brain-washed to think that
"Creationist Biologist" is an oxy-moron.
I am 'slightly' inclined to believe that quoting stuff from scientists that lived in the 19th century.......might be a 'little' behind our current knowledge..........
We can similarly quote Einstein saying "God does not play dice with the universe" as a refutation of quantum mechanics...........a well known theory (please search the definition of theory before you creationists start with the 'theory' non-sense) that has shown that indeed he does (if he exists of course )
We can similarly quote Einstein saying "God does not play dice with the universe" as a refutation of quantum mechanics...........a well known theory (please search the definition of theory before you creationists start with the 'theory' non-sense) that has shown that indeed he does (if he exists of course )
Wolf,
The whole thread was started asking a question about Darwin. In case
you didn't know, Darwin lived in the 19th century.
So, now you want to throw all scientists that didn't live in the last
100 years out of the equation. ROFL. What a joke.
BTW, I'm still waiting for your evidence that Newton purposely
falsified his numbers - I find that very hard to believe, since he
was a devout Christian and creationist.
What I am saying is that trying to claim that a theory is invalid because comtemporary yet famous scientists disagreed with it , its totally ridiculous. My example shows the same thing, Einstein who was very famous........disagreed with quantum mechanics......yet time has shown him wrong in that regard. You claim that Darwin is wrong.......and part of the 'supporting evidence' is that Pasteur disagreed with it , see the analogy?
Also, to claim that Newton couldn't lie because he was a devout Christian...........GEESH :nohead: , is this the first time you hear of a 'devout Christian' doing the wrong thing?
Please go to the other thread where I posted one of 'your guys' supporting evidence that was shown to be forged.
http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?p=5640562#post5640562
Its the last post in that thread, I cant recall what book I read it and like I said for sure its not that book in amazon. Feel free to order the book , I am sure you will like the content even if it doesnt refer to the exact thing I am talking about
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Biography
Wilder-Smith is author and co-author of over 70 scientific publications and more than 30 books which have been translated into many different languages.[citation needed] Smith studied Natural Sciences at Oxford, England, received a Ph.D. in physical organic chemistry at University of Reading, England in 1941, a Dr.es.Sc. in pharmacological sciences from Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology) in Zürich, and a D.Sc. in pharmacological sciences from University of Geneva in 1964. He was also a Fellow of the Royal Society of Chemistry.[1][unreliable source?]
He and creationist physicist Edgar Andrews debated biologists Richard Dawkins and John Maynard Smith in the Oxford Union's Huxley Memorial Debate in 1986. The Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science has made the audio of the debate available.[1]
In 1965 he visited and promoted the false claims that dinosaur and human footprints existed at Paluxy River in Dinosaur Valley State Park. He was criticized by scientists over these claims.[2] These supposed tracks were later discovered to have been forged by creationists who tried to claim humans and dinosaurs lived together.[3]
According to the National Center for Science Education, Wilder-Smith's work The Natural Sciences Know Nothing of Evolution contains a variety of falsehoods and errors.[4] Kenneth Christiansen, Professor of Biology at Grinnell College, reviewed the book stating "the most fundamental flaw of the book is an apparent confusion or ignorance (it is hard to tell) concerning our present understanding of the evolutionary process."[5] He further noted that Wilder-Smith's work disregarded basic literature in the field discussed.[6]
In 2005 William A. Dembski, of intelligent design fame, wrote that Wilder-Smith's "intuitive ideas about information has been the impetus for much of my research."[7]
How does promoting tapes made by proven liars improve your argument?
Wilder-Smith is author and co-author of over 70 scientific publications and more than 30 books which have been translated into many different languages.[citation needed] Smith studied Natural Sciences at Oxford, England, received a Ph.D. in physical organic chemistry at University of Reading, England in 1941, a Dr.es.Sc. in pharmacological sciences from Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology) in Zürich, and a D.Sc. in pharmacological sciences from University of Geneva in 1964. He was also a Fellow of the Royal Society of Chemistry.[1][unreliable source?]
He and creationist physicist Edgar Andrews debated biologists Richard Dawkins and John Maynard Smith in the Oxford Union's Huxley Memorial Debate in 1986. The Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science has made the audio of the debate available.[1]
In 1965 he visited and promoted the false claims that dinosaur and human footprints existed at Paluxy River in Dinosaur Valley State Park. He was criticized by scientists over these claims.[2] These supposed tracks were later discovered to have been forged by creationists who tried to claim humans and dinosaurs lived together.[3]
According to the National Center for Science Education, Wilder-Smith's work The Natural Sciences Know Nothing of Evolution contains a variety of falsehoods and errors.[4] Kenneth Christiansen, Professor of Biology at Grinnell College, reviewed the book stating "the most fundamental flaw of the book is an apparent confusion or ignorance (it is hard to tell) concerning our present understanding of the evolutionary process."[5] He further noted that Wilder-Smith's work disregarded basic literature in the field discussed.[6]
In 2005 William A. Dembski, of intelligent design fame, wrote that Wilder-Smith's "intuitive ideas about information has been the impetus for much of my research."[7]
How does promoting tapes made by proven liars improve your argument?
So the fact that scientists are uncertain proves that randomness is an inherent part of the universe (ie. God plays dice)? :think2:
The MWI is compatible with determinism (ie. God not playing dice) and as far as I know it's the leading belief among scientists (cosmologists and quantum field theorists) and not the Copenhagen interpretation.
I will agree that Einstein was wrong when he flatly denied that quantum mechanics allowed many phenomena to be explained, which was what I originally tried to point out when debating the Pasteur vrs Darwin......that was insinuating that because a great scientist (Pasteur) didn't like a theory of another great scientist of the time.......it was a 'proof' that evolution was not true.
And I will agree that while 3 out of the 13 currently postulated interpretations of QM there is 1 that is pretty popular at the moment that is 'deterministic'
Official World Site Malachite Man
(Malachite is a green mineral)
(Malachite is a green mineral)
Skeletons of ten perfectly modern humans have been excavated from fifty eight feet down in the Dakota Sandstone, over an area spanning about 50 by 100 feet. This formation is a member of the Lower Cretaceous, supposedly 140 million years old. It is known for its dinosaurs and is the same formation found at Dinosaur National Monument. At least four of the ten individuals are female. One is an infant. Some of the bones are articulated. Some are not, appearing to have been washed into place. No obvious tools or artifacts were found associated with the bones. The bulldozer driver who uncovered the first bones in 1971 expresses certainty that there were no tunnels or cracks in the extremely hard overlying layers of rock. The bones are partially replaced with malachite (a green mineral) and turquoise, thus appropriately named "Malachite Man".
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The evidence appears obvious that these 10 men, woman and children, were buried rapidly by some catastrophe, like a flood. Articulated skeletons indicate rapid burial. Some propose to explain these bones by arguing that they were mining, when the mine collapsed. However there is no indication of tunnels, and woman and small children would not likely be included in a mining operation. Additionally, no tools have been found and there are no crushed bones which would be expected if the mine caved in. Another invalid explanation is that this is a mass grave and they were buried. This cannot be true because the living would have to dig a grave 50-100 feet deep through extremely hard sandstone layers. The modern mining operation was halted in the 1970's because the sandstone was so hard it was destroying the bulldozers. These humans appear to have been buried by the same catastrophe that buried dinosaurs in this continent spanning formation. Humans and dinosaurs must have lived at the same time!
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