Pujols 3rd HR of the game...walk off

[CHOPTALK]

He is no doubt a good hitter Pat, but he has a long way to go before he can even be mentioned in the same sentence as Bonds.

100% true

 

[WorldNumberOne]

And Bonds dont?

who's talking about Bonds here ?

i sure as hell wasnt .

i thought this was a discussion about albert pujols

 

[dougstewart]

Are we going to do this everytime someone hits 40 homers a season?

Its time to just accept the numbers pure and simple. No need to ponder the things we cant prove or dis-prove.

The fact is these things have been going on for decades not years.

If that is a fact, and I agree with you that it is, then why is it time to accept the numbers? It seems to me that just the opposite applies...since steroids have been in use for about 20-30 years, we CANNOT accept any of the stats for these past 20-30 years. One of the many reasons baseball just doesn't exist for me.

 

[Journeyman]

Chop, you can make some bold claims from time to time (usually Braves related so I give you a full pass) regarding players, your comments in this thread are very accurate and you're right on the money ....enough with the steroids talk, from here on I will let the subject die....good points about Barry too.

I enjoy talking baseball with you, how long have you been following the game?

I have no idea how old you are....I'm going to guess somewhere around 30 years old.

 

[WorldNumberOne]

He is no doubt a good hitter Pat, but he has a long way to go before he can even be mentioned in the same sentence as Bonds.

how old is pujols ? 25

and here are a few numbers for ya :

first 4 years for both guys .

bonds .253 84 homers 223 rbi's

pujols .333 160 homers 504 rbi's

i think he can be mentioned in the same sentence ..

 

[Journeyman]

I still think the 'artificial era' started in the early mid 90's and peaked in the late 90's

 

[CHOPTALK]

31 good guess

 

[WorldNumberOne]

how old is pujols ? 25

and here are a few numbers for ya :

first 4 years for both guys .

bonds .253 84 homers 223 rbi's

pujols .333 160 homers 504 rbi's

i think he can be mentioned in the same sentence ..

in fact , i have a hard time mentioning bonds in the same sentence with pujols.

 

[CHOPTALK]

how old is pujols ? 25

and here are a few numbers for ya :

first 4 years for both guys .

bonds .253 84 homers 223 rbi's

pujols .333 160 homers 504 rbi's

i think he can be mentioned in the same sentence ..

Believe me WN1, you will not get me to talking Bad about pujols. Hes one of the top 2 hitters I have ever seen, but when you have more intentional walks than any other hitter has walks period you cannot compare stats vs stats.

Its a 100% fact that pitchers and managers do not respect pujols as much as they respect bonds. This was even back when Bonds did have protection in the lineup it was the same way. Nothing against Pujols, he just aint no Bonds yet.

 

[Journeyman]

Bonds has had no protection besides when they had Jeff Kent....What he did the past 7 years prior to 2005, on or off drugs was insane.

If Barry had not had the 73 homer season, his HR numbers would not even be that unordinary...just like Hank Aaron, take away the 73 HR season and he has 0 seasons above 49....same goes for Albert

 

[WorldNumberOne]

well i guess maybe they'll start to respect him after another .350 , 45 , 125 year.

the guy is clutch ..

i would take him over any player in the game right now and i'll bet every owner would too..

 

[Journeyman]

well i guess maybe they'll start to respect him after another .350 , 45 , 125 year.

the guy is clutch ..

i would take him over any player in the game right now and i'll bet every owner would too..

agree, me too.

 

[CHOPTALK]

well i guess maybe they'll start to respect him after another .350 , 45 , 125 year.

the guy is clutch ..

i would take him over any player in the game right now and i'll bet every owner would too..

So would I WN1. I hope you dont think im anti Pujois. I marvel at the guy. AROD has nothing on AP.

I also agree that soon they will respect Pujois equaly to Bonds but thats when the numbers are going to start comming down.

You cant compare BB 320 official at-bats to AP 600 official at-bats. Its not fair to Barry.

 

[PatrickMcIrish]

He is no doubt a good hitter Pat, but he has a long way to go before he can even be mentioned in the same sentence as Bonds.

Obviously you can't compare careers, Bonds has been around forever and Pujols is 25 years old. But at this point comparatively speaking it's not even close, Pujols is clearly a better overall hitter than Bonds was at the same point in his career. Besides all the other stats already mentioned Bonds was pretty much known as a choker come the post season, Pujols hits hits and hits regardless of what time of the year it is. Who will forget that blast last year?

Don't get me wrong, unlike many I am not a Bonds hater, I just have never seen a kid this age that is doing the things Pujols is doing with the bat. The fact most believe he is clean in this age of baseball is what really makes it amazing IMO.

 

[PatrickMcIrish]

If AP is the best hitter in baseball, how come he does not get the same respect from the pitchers and managers as Bonds?

You can't be talking about this year. In fact they talked about this today on ESPN - every Tom Dick and Harry was going right at Bonds. Kruk's comment was the first time Bonds puts one in McCovey Bay they will probably stop doing it but he even admitted pitchers around the league are not respecting him these days like years past. I am sure some is due to injuries but the reality is Bonds ain't hitting his weight this year and has ZERO dingers. Don't quote me but he was like 2 for his last 23 with runners in scoring postion? He's struggling and Pujols is singlehandedly beating teams, his 3 homerun outting today a perfect example of that. No way can we compare careers as Bonds has been doing it much longer but by the same token no way can we compare the 2006 Bonds to the 2006 Pujols.

You're right, Pujols doesn't get the same respect around the league as Bonds, he gets more these days. Much much more and deservedly so.

 

[CHOPTALK]

You can't be talking about this year. In fact they talked about this today on ESPN - every Tom Dick and Harry was going right at Bonds. Kruk's comment was the first time Bonds puts one in McCovey Bay they will probably stop doing it but he even admitted pitchers around the league are not respecting him these days like years past. I am sure some is due to injuries but the reality is Bonds ain't hitting his weight this year and has ZERO dingers. Don't quote me but he was like 2 for his last 23 with runners in scoring postion? He's struggling and Pujols is singlehandedly beating teams, his 3 homerun outting today a perfect example of that.

You're right, Pujols doesn't get the same respect around the league as Bonds, he gets more. Much much more and deservedly so.

No im not talking about this year. Im talking about the past.

When Pujois gets intentionally walked 120 times in a season come talk to me. When AP get intentionally walked with the bases loaded come talk to me.

The ML record for intentional walks in a season BARRY BONDS 120. AP does not have even half that for his entire career much less one season

120 Intentional walks 2004. The previous record for most intentional walks in a season was 36 by George Brett. Less than 1/3 of what Bonds had.

 

[PatrickMcIrish]

No im not talking about this year. Im talking about the past.

Oh okay that explains that, the Babe was quite a hitter in his day too. As for today I think most of us can agree that Pujols is clearly the most dominant hitter in the game.