Proportionality in the Israeli/Hamas Conflict

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I am curious, if the Hamas rocket that landed in an Israeli kindergarten today had killed a hundred Israeli children, would Israel be allowed to make a proportional attack on a Palestinian kindergarten?
 

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the death toll of palestian kids at this point probably 100 or more so i guess they could call it even and end the war?

anyway i'm joking

that said i really don't understand your question

neither side is in the right in this situation and many innocent palestians are getting caught in the crossfire

and the jews are doing a great job of pissing off the muslim world and creating more extremists that want to kill jews down the road
 

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I am curious, if the Hamas rocket that landed in an Israeli kindergarten today had killed a hundred Israeli children, would Israel be allowed to make a proportional attack on a Palestinian kindergarten?

Ummm....but in reality it has all been the other way. So since Israel has killed many, many innocent people...including many young children, would Palestinians be allowed to bomb the fuck out of Tel Aviv? Of course not.
 

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the death toll of palestian kids at this point probably 100 or more so i guess they could call it even and end the war?

anyway i'm joking

that said i really don't understand your question

neither side is in the right in this situation and many innocent palestians are getting caught in the crossfire

and the jews are doing a great job of pissing off the muslim world and creating more extremists that want to kill jews down the road

Would you please refer to the country as Israel? THANK YOU!

Furthermore, extremism is not "created" out of thin air by justly retaliating to terror. Extremism is created by ideologies. Governments like Hamas who refuse to tolerate the existence of Israel, and poison young children into hate. Maybe you should learn the difference between cause and effect before you open your toilet about every issue in the world you think you know about.
 

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government consists of individual people dude and many of the people that make up these organizations like hamas likely have had bad prior experiences in the past to make them want to lead these particular causes

as for the jew thing

not really sure what the problem is jews are to israel as americans are to the united states

as usual the J word is like the N word on this forum

for what reason i haven't a clue

one is derogatory the other isn't in the least

americans have done a good job with its post 9/11 actions in stirring up more future extremists down the road that will want to kill americans

now scold me and say use the united states instead :)
 
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(CNN) -- "Listen, listen to this!" shouts Fida Qishta as the crackling of rockets is heard over her phone receiver.

"It's difficult for anybody to imagine that in a second, maybe when I am talking to you on the phone, maybe something [will] happen to me or to my family," the Palestinian blogger told CNN from her home in Gaza.

She has gotten little sleep during the past 10 days as Israel continues its attacks on her homeland, attacks the Jewish state says are designed to stop months of rocket strikes on southern Israel by Hamas militants in Gaza.

Qishta writes furiously, hoping to convey the horror she sees. "The Israeli army are cannibals. They don't look for civilians, for children or women. Most attacks happen on families, on their houses," she said, her voice rising in anger.

For what Qishta cannot put into words, there are agonizing photographs: Bloody Palestinian children, their skin burned, lie limp in their helpless parents' arms. Hospitals, filled to capacity, redefine chaos as much-needed medical supplies are stalled a short distance away at the blocked border with Egypt.

At one hospital, a man bows his head and cries. He rests his hand over the bellies of his two toddler relatives. They look uninjured; their eyes are shut. They were both killed Monday.

They are the faces of a Palestinian death toll that has surpassed 500.

"There's always two sides to every story," said Dov Hartuv, who lives close to the southern border in Israel's Kibbutz Nahal Oz, which he says has been hit by Hamas rockets in the past. Israel has said its campaign is aimed at stopping Hamas rockets from terrorizing its own civilians.

Asked about Fida Qishta's strong comments, Hartuv said it's hard not to react.

"But I am not going to argue with her," he said. "We are in the eye of the storm just as she is."

At the Egyptian border, Antar Mahmood stands and waits. At his feet are drums of cooking oil, food and a heavy bag of supplies he is trying to take to his family. He says his house was flattened by the Israeli airstrikes. Video Watch report from Gaza's border with Egypt »

But Israeli and Egyptian guards aren't letting anything or anyone get through this part of the Gaza border.

"I just called home and asked what happened, and they said your son Mohammed has been wounded," he said. "He's alive, but he's wounded."

In Israel, where four civilians and one soldier have been killed since the attack on Gaza began, Israelis have been gathering every morning on a southern hilltop to watch Apache helicopters. Nearby, reporters who have been banned from entering Gaza set up tripods and position their long lenses.

"It is somewhat surreal to be standing on grassy hillsides with Israeli civilians sitting in chairs, watching the ongoing Israeli military offensive," Dion Nissenbaum, a McClatchy Newspapers Middle East correspondent, said in an e-mail to CNN.

"They don't seem to be bothered by the occasional Qassam rockets and mortar rounds that explode in the surrounding fields," Nissenbaum wrote in his blog, Checkpoint Jerusalem. "They have come to watch the war."

Dov Hartuv, who describes himself as a fatalist, said he has a fortified safe room in his home.

"I'm not really afraid for myself. What will happen will happen," he said. "But it certainly is very frightening and nerve-wracking to live under these conditions, and I'm sure everyone is affected by it. ... We think about people on our side and on the other side who are suffering and hope that it will end as quickly as possible."

From her part-time home in Durham, North Carolina, Palestinian mother and blogger Laila El-Haddad is constantly talking to her father in Gaza. Cell phone coverage is spotty, but the two manage to video conference using Skype.

"I'm thinking about my family all the time," she said. "I have lived through Israeli bombardments in the past, but this is much fiercer than anything ever before."

A few years ago, during air raids by Israeli drones over northern Gaza, she was living with her son in Gaza City.

She tried to tell the 2-year-old that it was just popcorn popping outside. He replied, "I don't like that kind of popcorn."

Even today, in the quiet of an American suburb, the boy still cannot sleep through the night.

"He remembers the shelling and gets up and crawls into bed with me," she said. iReport.com: Share reactions to "all-out war" in Gaza

Her father, Moussa El-Haddad, is a physician who volunteered Monday at Gaza's Shifa Hospital. On Sunday, a Norwegian doctor at Shifa told reporters that the facility was overwhelmed with so many "patients lying everywhere" that they were dying before doctors had a chance to get to them.

Moussa El-Haddad says that after dealing with death at work, he comes home to robo-calls: "Urgent message: Warning to the citizens of Gaza. Hamas is using you as human shields. Do not listen to them. Hamas has abandoned you and are hiding in their shelters. Give up now."

His daughter said he hangs up in disgust every time.

To ease the dark mood, Laila El-Haddad asked her father how his exotic pet bird is faring through the airstrikes.

"My dad has got a sense of humor," she said. "He told me that it used to go 'chirp, chirp,' but now it goes 'boom, boom.' "
 

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the gaza strip should be divided into 2

one to jordan other to egypt

that is what they are homeless rocket launching displaced jordanians and egyptians

israel does more for these homeless egyptians and jordanians then the entire arab world combined does

the entire arab world is laughing for any excuse to kill jews

its the truth.

and Israel knowing how much this propaganda is twisted has turned soft and when they finally retaliate they are the barbarians

I wonder if a homeless barren habitated by disempowered border town in mexico launched rockets if so many questions would be raised

unreal the ignorant bleeding heart bullshit
 

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well to date the approach has been

herd all the cattle into a corner, throw up some barb wire, throw um some food, monitor every border, put up a wall, and give the people almost no freedom

while they can peer over the wall and see how great the richer jews live while they live like shit

and hope everything stays calm

and if it doesn't and a few of um toss some random bombs your way invade stirring up more hatred towards your country until the next cease fire

which will inevitably lead to the same conclusion

more random bombs being chucked your way

sounds like a great plan
 

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government consists of individual people dude and many of the people that make up these organizations like hamas likely have had bad prior experiences in the past to make them want to lead these particular causes

you are such an idiot guy its amazing....the old we harbor hate excuse to behave as animals would

you are a liberal uninformed drone, I know truth hurts...as u profess to hate the Ls

the economics you are regurgitating is old, gold bug, sit on the sideline social critic not willing to actually "play", broken record...

theres is no way you are a phd student, zero

make up some more lies

you are on this forum 24/7 wasting your life away


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well to date the approach has been

herd all the cattle into a corner, throw up some barb wire, throw um some food, monitor every border, put up a wall, and give the people almost no freedom

while they can peer over the wall and see how great the richer jews live while they live like shit

and hope everything stays calm

and if it doesn't and a few of um toss some random bombs your way invade until the next cease fire

sounds like a great plan

sounds like you are holding people accountable as you should :lolBIG:

we dont like our lives, our own arab brothers wont take us back

lets bomb the jews

lol the irony of your sympathy

its not israels problem, or it shouldnt be

but it is because of the bullshit people like you resonate

just imagine it in the contecxt of the united states and see for yourself the hypcrite bigot you are

the ultra conservative one

:lolBIG: you are such a fin clown its crazy
 

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I wonder if a homeless barren habitated by disempowered border town in mexico launched rockets if so many questions would be raised

this would never happen

we embrace illegals as well as the legal ones too and give them lots of free shit and easy paths to citizenship and living the good life they can see over the barb wire fence and wall

israel doesn't

:grandmais
 

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its a dog eat dog world always has been always will be

every generation or what not just looks a bit different as we become more "civilized"

i understand the game

there will always be many innocents that unforunately get born in the wrong part of the world or put in a bad position getting blown to shit worldwide, or starving, or whatever..... so i can live like a king....

i know this

i just like stirring shit up
 

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you are such an idiot guy its amazing....the old we harbor hate excuse to behave as animals would

you are a liberal uninformed drone, i know truth hurts...as u profess to hate the ls

the economics you are regurgitating is old, gold bug, sit on the sideline social critic not willing to actually "play", broken record...

Theres is no way you are a phd student, zero

make up some more lies

you are on this forum 24/7 wasting your life away


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iam all for protecting israel and for israel protecting itself. also, i think that hamas rocket launching should stop, period. having said that, while most rockets are landing in desert areas and causing little damage, every once in a while a fatality, the israeli response is a little extreme. for every israeli killed, they have killed hundreds of civilians. they just bombed 2 UN schools today, killing 30 women and children. is this a just response? by the way, there is no military solution to this dilemma, only a political one, as we have seen for the last 60 years. as long as israel keeps the palestinians opressed and living under occupation, there will never be a solution.
 

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as long as israel keeps the palestinians opressed and living under occupation, there will never be a solution.

that is where you are mistaken...it is not Israels problem period

that these are uneducated ignorant fools, who cant feed or cloth themselves

pawns to the billions of arab brothers that surround them that wont take them in

thats right billions, and rich arab brothers who are laughing while you weep
 

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that is where you are mistaken...it is not Israels problem period

that these are uneducated ignorant fools, who cant feed or cloth themselves

pawns to the billions of arab brothers that surround them that wont take them in

thats right billions, and rich arab brothers who are laughing while you weep
it is the occupation and the closure of crossing points that keep them in the shape you are referring to, with all due respect. and other arab nations should not have to take them in, because the land that is occupied actually belongs to the palestinians. that is why they call it "occupied territory".
 

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Palestine does NOT exist...its lower Egypt

god you people are bleeding heart morons
 

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