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These players taking their complaints to the media is troublesome to me. I hope this story doesn't get any bigger. But I have a feeling it could with the NCAA coming in to investigate.

DETROIT -- Several Michigan football players claim the program regularly violates NCAA rules limiting how much time they can spend on training and practice sessions, according to a published report.
Players from the 2008 and 2009 teams told the Detroit Free Press for a story published on the newspaper's Web site on Saturday that the amount of time they spend on football activities during the season and in the offseason greatly exceeds the limits. The players spoke to the newspaper on condition of anonymity because they feared repercussions from coaches.

[+] Enlarge <CITE>AP Photo/Tony Ding</CITE>Michigan finished 3-9 in Rich Rodriguez's first season as coach.



Coach Rich Rodriguez and the university's compliance director, Judy Van Horn, both denied that the football program was violating NCAA rules.
"We know the practice and offseason rules, and we stay within the guidelines. We follow the rules and have always been completely committed to being compliant with all NCAA rules," Rodriguez said in a written statement to the newspaper.
Van Horn said her department conducts "in-person spot checks of practice during the academic year and summer. We have not had any reason to self-report any violations in this area with any of our sports."
One former player who started for Michigan last season told ESPN Saturday night that the report was accurate.
The player, who asked not to be identified for fear of repercussions from fans, said in-season Sundays at the football facility lasted from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m., including a one-hour lunch. That would be an 11-hour day. The NCAA daily limit is four hours, the weekly limit 20.
The same player said required offseason workouts included three-hour lifts on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays and two hours of speed and agility on Tuesdays and Thursday. That's a total of 13 hours; the NCAA limit is eight hours of required workouts.
This player said he would tell the Big Ten or NCAA what players were required to do and believes most of his former teammates would, as well.
A current member of the Michigan football team, who has started, also told ESPN his in-season Sundays at the football facility lasted from 10 a.m. to 9:30 p.m., although he acknowledged the first two hours were spent in treatment, which is not counted against the restricted hours.

Allegations suggest friction at Michigan


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The most troubling part about the alleged NCAA rules violations at Michigan isn't accusations themselves, but who made them. Adam RittenbergBig Ten blog | College Football Nation




The player said this season players will be off on Sundays, practicing on Mondays.
The player said he worked out about twice as many hours as the allotted eight per week in the offseason. He asked strength coaches why the workouts seemed excessive and was told that some parts of the exercises, such as core work and injury prevention, were not counted as required.
The player said the strength coach told him that the workout plan had been approved by the NCAA.
Players told the Free Press that quality-control staff often watched seven-on-seven offseason scrimmages that are supposed to be voluntary and that only training staff are allowed to attend.
The Free Press said five of the 10 current or former players it interviewed gave similar accounts of how the program is run and a sixth player confirmed most of the descriptions. Other players gave a general idea of the program. None disputed the allegations, the newspaper said.
The players acknowledged they had signed forms stating NCAA rules had been followed and had not told the university's compliance department about their concerns. One player told the Free Press that athletes would get in trouble if they didn't sign.
If there is an investigation into the allegations, it won't be conducted by the Big Ten.
Big Ten associate commissioner for compliance Chad Hawley told ESPN.com's Adam Rittenberg that the conference would only be involved in an advisory capacity for any investigation of this matter. Any investigation would have to be done by Michigan and, depending on the circumstances, the NCAA.
 

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They must not like Rich or they just dont want to become better players.
 

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I think it's a bitch move by these players. Did they go to the coaches and discuss these things? No. They went to the media and then asked that their names not be mentioned. They even had some of the mommies and daddies go with them. They are just lucky Dan Hawkins wasn't the coach or he would have told the little bitches to go "play intramurals, brother, go play intramurals!"

So, did Carr use to wipe their asses for them, too? What do players expect whenever they come to a BCS school? Cookies and milk after practice?

I'm sorry, but over the past 6 months there are several players that have come off looking like a bunch of little bitches. Rodriguez has been successful everywhere he has coached so this tells me these are a bunch of pantywaist little whiny bitches. Suck it up or leave, pussies.
 

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And yet the line has jumped a whole point at 5dimes on the Michigan game. It was -12.5 at 9:15 P.M. :think2:
 

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I think it's a bitch move by these players. Did they go to the coaches and discuss these things? No. They went to the media and then asked that their names not be mentioned. They even had some of the mommies and daddies go with them. They are just lucky Dan Hawkins wasn't the coach or he would have told the little bitches to go "play intramurals, brother, go play intramurals!"

So, did Carr use to wipe their asses for them, too? What do players expect whenever they come to a BCS school? Cookies and milk after practice?

I'm sorry, but over the past 6 months there are several players that have come off looking like a bunch of little bitches. Rodriguez has been successful everywhere he has coached so this tells me these are a bunch of pantywaist little whiny bitches. Suck it up or leave, pussies.


Or, it tells me that Rodriguez is a cheating son-of-a-bitch wherever he's been. How can you guys take up for someone who's breaking the rules? Jesus, what else do you want these college kids to do? They already play for free and make schools upwards of 120 million in a single season!!

Obviously there's a mutiny going on within the program, but to keep kids in the football offices for 11 hours every Sunday following a game is insane. Where else do you want them to go besides the media with this story and have something change?
 

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I'm with you SoonerBS. One of the problems Michigan has had in the Schembechler era is the mindset that the Big Ten championship was good enough. Now Rich is here and he gets it--to compete on the national stage again, Michigan must quit seeing "the competition" as the likes of Minnesota, Purdue, Michigan State...and start gearing up for the Texases, Oklahomas, and Floridas of the world. This demands much more strenuous conditioning than the "old way" of doing things at Michigan, and I think some of the Carr recruits just can't hack it.
 

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Or, it tells me that Rodriguez is a cheating son-of-a-bitch wherever he's been. How can you guys take up for someone who's breaking the rules? Jesus, what else do you want these college kids to do? They already play for free and make schools upwards of 120 million in a single season!!

Obviously there's a mutiny going on within the program, but to keep kids in the football offices for 11 hours every Sunday following a game is insane. Where else do you want them to go besides the media with this story and have something change?

No mutiny at Michigan. This is RR and Barwis getting rid of the pansyasses who can't hack it. The vast majority of the team is onboard with Rich's program...still a few malcontents though. But not for long.
 

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If R-Rod was 9-3 instead of 3-9 it would't be an issue. We would have never heard this story. Most teams go over the NCAA limit on hours. There is a heavy gray area. The coach will tell the kid to study some film and do some extra work on his own time, but if the kid doesn't then the coach will threaten to replace him with somebody who will. Its a Catch-22 and the rule is almost impossible to enforce.
 

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If R-Rod was 9-3 instead of 3-9 it would't be an issue. We would have never heard this story. Most teams go over the NCAA limit on hours. There is a heavy gray area. The coach will tell the kid to study some film and do some extra work on his own time, but if the kid doesn't then the coach will threaten to replace him with somebody who will. Its a Catch-22 and the rule is almost impossible to enforce.

I agree, I played college baseball @ Middle TN and there are definitely things you have to do on your own through out the year that do not count against team practice hours.

Do you think Tebow devotes the minimum 20 hours a week to football??? He has said that he is out there early and stays late, and then watches film around the clock. This situation boils down to players that do not take the job of being an athlete serious and prolly do not like the strict rules of having to participate in these so called extended film sessions and team meetings that are optional. If you are not there, the coaches are going to see it as you do not want to get better and be there. Plain and simple, and they will make sure someone passes you up. They live, eat, and sleep their sport and want their players to do the same.
 

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A violation for working too much? Well, not exactly the worst problem in the world to have from a football standpoint. Lack of chemistry / friction between the coaches and players is a concern, but hopefully everyone who's not on board has departed.
 

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very interesting to to note...not sure I've ever seen a story like this before...
 

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I would gloat in the fact that it is Michigan (being an ND alumnus), but I have a feeling that the accusations, true or not, are common at all major university programs.
 

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I think many of these coaches toe a fine line between working these players to the bone but still getting their respect, and getting their players pissed off at them to the point of either quitting or not performing well come gametime. I think Syracuse could be going through some of the same problems with a hard coach and players quitting. This is a unique situation at Michigan that I can never recall seeing before. My feeling is this thing could get ugly. And it could be a distraction for this team if too many of the other players feel the same way. I think it's probably time for a team meeting to clear the air.
 

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I think it's a bitch move by these players. Did they go to the coaches and discuss these things? No. They went to the media and then asked that their names not be mentioned. They even had some of the mommies and daddies go with them. They are just lucky Dan Hawkins wasn't the coach or he would have told the little bitches to go "play intramurals, brother, go play intramurals!"

So, did Carr use to wipe their asses for them, too? What do players expect whenever they come to a BCS school? Cookies and milk after practice?

I'm sorry, but over the past 6 months there are several players that have come off looking like a bunch of little bitches. Rodriguez has been successful everywhere he has coached so this tells me these are a bunch of pantywaist little whiny bitches. Suck it up or leave, pussies.

SoonerBs,

Are they no longer a play on all year??
 

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SoonerBs,

Are they no longer a play on all year??

Internal problems can be cancer to a team, so no, they are not "play on" until we see how all this affects the team play. I'm not real happy about the multiple QBs right now, either.
 

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more food for thought

Four words set off a firestorm of controversy from Ann Arbor to Columbus:



Michigan transfer Justin Boren has found a home at Ohio State.
"Family values have eroded."

That is what offensive lineman Justin Boren alleged about Michigan in the spring of 2008 after announcing he was transferring from Michigan to Ohio State. A rivalry already double-dipped in hatred was spiced up with the unthinkable: a player transferring from one school to the other - and spouting off about it.

What would Woody and Bo think?

"I believe Justin can be a good player," said Ohio State coach Jim Tressel, who is 7-1 vs. Michigan. "I think he has worked solid and looks good. We are counting on Justin."

Boren is the projected starting left guard for Ohio State after sitting out last season under NCAA transfer rules. He's one of many key players who will be eligible this fall after sitting out last season following a transfer from a four-year school (SEE CHART).

Many can't wait for Boren's return trip to Ann Arbor on Nov. 21. How will fans react? But Boren - 0-2 against the Buckeyes while in Ann Arbor - isn't worried about it. It's all about staying in the moment and getting ready for his junior season.

"I love the players and the coaches," said Boren, a native of Pickerington, Ohio, about the Buckeyes. "It's a very close-knit group. There are no cliques. It is a real close team atmosphere.


Wisconsin: DT J.J. Watt (Central Michigan)
Four words set off a firestorm of controversy from Ann Arbor to Columbus:

"It took my dad about a month to get rid of this Michigan stuff and get Ohio State stuff, so he is fully converted."

Because of his father, Mike, Boren always wanted to be a Wolverine. Mike was raised in Columbus, Ohio, but played for Bo Schembechler at Michigan (1980-83) after he was jilted by Ohio State. And Justin's mom ran track in Ann Arbor. So, it wasn't a shock when Justin signed with the Wolverines.

Boren looked primed for a nice career at Michigan. In 2006, he became just the fourth true freshman in modern Michigan history to start on the offensive line. The others were Bubba Paris (1978), Tom Dixon (1980) and Dean Dingman (1987).

In 2007, Boren was an honorable mention All-Big Ten pick. After the season, coach Lloyd Carr retired and former West Virginia coach Rich Rodriguez was hired.

Boren left Michigan in the spring of 2008, making headlines with an opinionated statement upon his exit from Ann Arbor.

"Michigan football was a family, built on mutual respect and support for each other, from Coach Carr on down," he said. "We knew it took the entire family, a team effort, and we all worked together.

"I have great trouble accepting that those family values have eroded in just a few months. ? That I am unable to perform under these circumstances at the level I expect of myself, and my teammates and Michigan fans deserve, is why I have made the decision to leave."

Ohio State is happy to have Boren, who has a chance to be the top lineman on a unit that welcomes back three starters. It's a line that came under some fire last season for a lack of toughness and physicality.

"I don't think [the criticism] was fair," said Boren, who injured a knee in practice earlier this month but is expected to be OK. "I think they played pretty well as a unit last year. There always are little mistakes here and there, but I am excited for this year. I think as a unit we will be real strong."

Boren (6 feet 3/315 pounds) is expected to bring toughness to the unit. He is a strong, physical player.

"He has some size, for sure," Ohio State offensive tackle Jim Cordle said. "He's a big kid, a mauler, and has that attitude, which is good for us."

Boren admits to a nasty attitude.

" 'Nasty' is trying to drive your player 10 yards down the field on every play," said Boren, whose brother, Zach, is a freshman running back at Ohio State. "I think every lineman on our team can be nasty. That's your goal on every play - to line up and try to beat the guy in front of you and try to drive him as far as you can."
 

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Yeah yeah, and I bet you that if they agreed to rehire Lloyd Carr they'd withdraw their accusations. I feel sorry for the players. They sign up to play for a loser like Carr and end up with a slave driver like Rodriguez.

I figure that their eligibility will run out before they graduate. Either way RR will be better off.
 

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things like this are typical whenever there is a coaching change. ALl the leftovers from the previous staff who dont' want to get onboard with the new regime are slowly weeded out.
I think RR will have Michigan back by next year.
 

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