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showtime soon enough, anybody in the mood to play with GREK...:)........



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· Our view is that a referendum is likely to result in Greeks accepting the proposal by European creditors. Polls before the referendum was announced indicated that roughly 57% of individuals supported accepting the proposals, a figure which has consistently held above the 55% mark. The additional uncertainty this week created by capital controls is likely to tip the scale further in the direction of accepting creditors' proposals. The Greek economy remains very cash-driven and the bank holidays will disrupt economic activity to a greater extent than they would otherwise in other countries.

· In terms of contagion risks, this is far from 2012. In the near-term, the euro area will likely survive any potential outcome from the current crisis in Greece. Exposures of European Banks to the Greek banking system have been significantly reduced. A large majority of Greek public debt is owned by official European creditors. The ECB has the ammo to quell rising volatility. Should peripheral bond spreads widen materially, the ECB's current QE program could be front-loaded into July and August. Furthermore, the ECB could also resort to the OMT if necessary. As stated in a press release yesterday, "The Governing Council is determined to use all the instruments available within its mandate".

· Markets are aware of this and moves have been limited so far considering the circumstances. Portuguese 10-year yields are up a relatively modest 28bp, and Spain and Italy's are up only 19bp, magnitudes lower than in 2012. The EURUSD, after falling as low as 1.09 in early trading, has since rebounded to 1.11. Euro softness relative the safe haven JPY and CHF has been more pronounced. The Swiss Central Bank has confirmed intervening in the market to limit CHF appreciation. All things considered, the euro is likely to remain range bound unless the likelihood of a Grexit materially rises, in which case, the EURUSD could easily retest its 2015 lows of 1.05 or less. If the exchange rate were to fall significantly below parity, we could see coordinated G7 central bank action to support the currency.

· Market attention will also turn to the Fed, and whether Greek-related uncertainty reduces the prospect of a September rate hike. Ultimately, this will depend on the persistence and extent of the uncertainty. NY Fed president Dudley stated on the weekend that a September rate hike (our base case scenario) is "very much in play". This is still the case today, and will remain so, unless the volatility in Greece spreads over several weeks and materially impacts European growth prospects.









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[ The Puerto Rico default will have more of an effect on US investors than Greece... ]

Who owns Puerto Rico's debt?




By Heather Long @byHeatherLong


<section class="column"> <article class="module">
Puerto Rico nears debt default


Puerto Rico is being dubbed "America's Greece." The island has too much debt that it can't pay.

Even if it makes a critical July 1 payment to creditors, Puerto Rico still has over $70 billion in outstanding debt to go. Governor Alejandro García Padilla has said the country won't be able to pay that all back, dubbing it a "death spiral."



On Monday night, Padilla boldly asked Congress to grant Puerto Rico the ability to declare bankruptcy. Under U.S. law, only cities like Detroit and municipalities can declare bankruptcy.
Puerto Rico is putting together a "working group" to come up with a solution to its debt dilemma by the end of August. The island's economy has been stuck in recession for nearly a decade, which further hampers its ability to generate taxes and pay back creditors.
Related: Puerto Rico wants to be able to declare bankruptcy
The fallout: So who gets hurt if Puerto Rico doesn't pay up-- or if it only pays back a fraction of what it owes? It could be you.
Over 20% of bond mutual funds own Puerto Rican bonds, according to data from Morningstar (the exact numbers are 377 funds out of 1,884 United States bond mutual funds).
"To tell you the truth, Puerto Rico is a bigger problem for American investors than Greece," Alan Valdes, director of floor trading at DMA Securities told CNN. "Most American investors have little exposure to Greece at all."
The majority of the fund with exposure are municipal bond funds or high yield bond funds. Puerto Rico's bonds have municipal status, meaning they are tax exempt.
Puerto Rico's bonds have also been demoted to "junk" status. Many insurance firms and pensions can't hold Puerto Rican debt anymore because it has junk status. High yield bond funds invest in debt that is of poorer quality because it usually carries a higher interest rate to compensate investors for the extra risk they are taking on.
Related: Governor: Puerto Rico near 'death spiral'
Among the funds that hold Puerto Rican debt, some of the largest are run by OppenheimerFunds and Franklin Templeton. For example, the Franklin Double Tax-Free Income Fund (FPRIX) holds nearly half of its investments in Puerto Rican bonds. The fund is down 4..5% this year and has only a 1-star rating out of 5 by Morningstar.
Numerous Oppenheimer Rochester municipal funds hold 15% or more of the fund in Puerto Rican bonds, including the Oppenheimer Rochester MD Municipal Fund (ORMDX), which is down 5% this year and has a 3-star rating from Morningstar.
"We expect Puerto Rico to act within the tenets of the law, including the Commonwealth's Constitution, and are ready to defend the previously agreed to terms in each and every bond indenture," said a spokesman from OppenheimerFunds.
A spokesman for Franklin Templeton indicated that the company is "waiting to hear more from the governor on next steps."
In total, bond mutual funds hold about $11.3 billion of the island's debt. Another roughly $15 billion is held by hedge funds. The remainder of the debt is held largely by individuals -- mostly Puerto Ricans and mainland Americans.
"Puerto Rico is a bigger concern to traders on the floor in Greece by far," said Valdes, referring to traders on the New York Stock Exchange.
Governor Padilla likes to say that Puerto Rico should not have to choose between paying its police and teachers or paying its creditors. But a lot of retirees and "regular Joe's" own Puerto Rico's debt on the other end.



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An older gentleman withdrew $150,000 euros several weeks ago seeing that the banks might close, & he was right, but his money was stolen from his home.

He kept his money in Tupperware inside a cabinet.......

I don't have a link to this story, I saw it on a friends international Greek channel on dish network.

I guess the guy didn't have a safe on his house.......times like these, people will go to extreme lengths to keep their families & themselves afloat.
 

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showtime has arrived...:)

shall the Greece people have the courage to say fuck off or will the can be kicked for two more years?


https://wikileaks.org/nsa-germany/intercepts/


Merkel Bugged While Pondering Greece Crisis

Date2011
ClassificationTOP SECRET//COMINT-GAMMA//ORCON/REL TO USA, FVEY
WikiLeaks Synopsis
Intercepted communicaiton between German Chancellor Angela Merkel and her personal assistant reveals Merkel's skepticism and doubts regarding potential solutions to the financial crisis in Greece, and her determination to introduce a Financial Transaction Tax (FTT), eventually by pressuring the US and UK governments to support it.

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Eurozone Crisis: Merkel Uncertain on Solution to Greek Problems, Would Press U.S. and UK (TS//SI-G//OC/REL TO USA, FVEY)

(TS//SI-G//OC/REL TO USA, FVEY) Discussing the Greek financial crisis with her personal assistant on 11 October, German Chancellor Angela Merkel professed to be at a loss as to which option--another haircut or a transfer union--would be best for addressing the situation. (The term "haircut" refers to the losses that private investors would incur on the current net value of their Greek bond holdings.) Merkel's fear was that Athens would be unable to overcome its problems even with an additional haircut, since it would not be able to handle the remaining debt. Furthermore, she doubted that sending financial experts to Greece would be of much help in bringing the financial system there under control. Within the German cabinet, Finance Minister Wolfgang Schnaeuble alone continued to strongly back another haircut, despite Merkel's efforts to rein him in, while France and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso were seen to be in favor of a gentler approach. European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet was solidly opposed, with IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde described as undecided on the issue. Finally, Merkel believed that action must be taken to enact a Financial Transaction Tax (FTT); doing so next year, she assessed, would be a major step toward achieving some balance in relief for banks. In that regard, the Germans thought that pressure could be brought to bear on the U.S. and British governments to help bring about an FTT.


Unconventional

German leadership

G/OO/526362-11, 181753Z






so, Merkel had severe doubts in 2011 yet pressed along nonetheless? :) Her doubts, as it turned out were correct- Greece defaulted, bailout #2 failed. And today she is preparing for bailout #3?



Angela, are you nuts?




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Nice find by wiki. Not surprised by her words at all either.
 

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showtime has arrived...:)

shall the Greece people have the courage to say fuck off or will the can be kicked for two more years?


https://wikileaks.org/nsa-germany/intercepts/


Merkel Bugged While Pondering Greece Crisis

Date2011
ClassificationTOP SECRET//COMINT-GAMMA//ORCON/REL TO USA, FVEY
WikiLeaks Synopsis
Intercepted communicaiton between German Chancellor Angela Merkel and her personal assistant reveals Merkel's skepticism and doubts regarding potential solutions to the financial crisis in Greece, and her determination to introduce a Financial Transaction Tax (FTT), eventually by pressuring the US and UK governments to support it.

<tbody>
</tbody>
Eurozone Crisis: Merkel Uncertain on Solution to Greek Problems, Would Press U.S. and UK (TS//SI-G//OC/REL TO USA, FVEY)

(TS//SI-G//OC/REL TO USA, FVEY) Discussing the Greek financial crisis with her personal assistant on 11 October, German Chancellor Angela Merkel professed to be at a loss as to which option--another haircut or a transfer union--would be best for addressing the situation. (The term "haircut" refers to the losses that private investors would incur on the current net value of their Greek bond holdings.) Merkel's fear was that Athens would be unable to overcome its problems even with an additional haircut, since it would not be able to handle the remaining debt. Furthermore, she doubted that sending financial experts to Greece would be of much help in bringing the financial system there under control. Within the German cabinet, Finance Minister Wolfgang Schnaeuble alone continued to strongly back another haircut, despite Merkel's efforts to rein him in, while France and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso were seen to be in favor of a gentler approach. European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet was solidly opposed, with IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde described as undecided on the issue. Finally, Merkel believed that action must be taken to enact a Financial Transaction Tax (FTT); doing so next year, she assessed, would be a major step toward achieving some balance in relief for banks. In that regard, the Germans thought that pressure could be brought to bear on the U.S. and British governments to help bring about an FTT.


Unconventional

German leadership

G/OO/526362-11, 181753Z






so, Merkel had severe doubts in 2011 yet pressed along nonetheless? :) Her doubts, as it turned out were correct- Greece defaulted, bailout #2 failed. And today she is preparing for bailout #3?



Angela, are you nuts?




:)



She is nuts, & so are the rest of the euro keeping their foot on Greece's neck......

I'm hoping the NO vote wins, & they leave the euro because they can't get out of this debt.......she wants another bailout for 3 more years, like wtf will be different in 3 years? It will be worse for Greece in 3 years.

I know the Germans & the rest of the euro do not want to let Greece go ... .

There were rallies in Portugal & Spain by NO voters all over shoeing their backing for the NO voters in Greece.

Now the euro wants the UK & US backing to pressure Greece.....gtfo!

Got a feeling Russia will step in if Greece has outsiders like the UK & US pressuring them.
 

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Its still early in the count of the votes, but with 7.5% of votes counted, 60% are NO & 40% are with YES
 

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Greek people have spoken; a resounding fuck off :)

kudos to Tsipras. Greece to dictate , not the creditors.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...as-voters-turn-out-in-droves/article25306916/


The No vote in the Greek referendum has triumphed, handing prime minister Alexis Tsipras a resounding victory even if it risks pushing his country and its banks closer to a full-blown financial crisis.
The Greek government's official projection is that 61 per cent of voters chose No, a remarkable feat by Mr. Tsipras, leader of the radical left, anti-austerity party. He has apparently been able convince votes that a No vote, which he advocated, would not lead to exodus from the euro zone, even if some representatives of the creditors have said it would.


The No vote, if ultimately confirmed, will rattle the creditors and European Union leaders, who had been urging a Yes vote. German chancellor Angela Merkel was due on Monday to meet French president Francois Hollande to assess the Greek referendum result.
Earlier in the day, Greek finance minister Yanis Varoufakis, who had vowed to resign if the No side failed, told CNBC that Greece would be able to reach a deal with its bailout creditors within 24 hours if the No side were to emerge on top.
But some economists and strategists think a No vote will close more doors than it opens in Brussels, Frankfurt and Berlin and put the ailing Greek banks under enormous pressure. “A No vote, if confirmed, accelerates the drift towards Grexit [Greek exit] ad makes it agonizingly difficult for the European Central Bank to maintain emergency loans to the banks,” Nicholas Spiro, of London’s Spiro Sovereign Strategy, said shortly after the polls closed.
The early poll estimates put the No side 2- to 3-percentage points ahead. By about 9 pm, local time, the No side lead had widened considerably. Mr. Tsipras had campaigned for a No vote, much to the annoyance, even distress, of Greece’s creditors – the European Union, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund.
The polling stations closed at 7 pm local time and the Greek media reported a strong turnout among country’s 9.9-million registered voters.
The No vote, if it sticks, would be especially bad news for the Greek banks, which are running dangerously short of cash. They have been closed since Monday, the day after the European Central Bank refused to boost the volume of emergency loans it had been funnelling into the Greek banks to protect them from a deposit run.
Since then cash withdrawals from ATMs have been limited to €60 a day, putting enormous strain on the economy and day-to-day life as cash was hoarded and grew scarce.
The ECB alone can make or break the Greek bank. A Yes vote – approval for the creditors’ proposal – followed by the relaunch of negotiations with the creditors in Brussels, probably would encourage the ECB to keep delivering fresh emergency loans to the banks. A No vote might have the opposite effect.
The governor of the Bank of Greece, Yannis Stournas, was due to call Mario Draghi Sunday evening to try to convince the ECB president to pump more emergency loans into the Greek banks. The ECB’s governing council is to meet in Frankfurt on Monday to decide if the banks will get more assistance.
The Greek government stated last week that the banks would reopen by Tuesday. But that promise might have to be broken absent more emergency loans. As of early last week, there was only about €1.5-billion remaining in the ECB’s so-called emergency loan assistance (ELA) program and the outflow of deposits since the has probably reduced that amount considerably.
The banks closed their doors to stem the deposit outflow on Monday, the day after the ECB refused to boost the volume of emergency loans it had been injecting into the Greek banks to keep them alive.
In the tense hours ahead of the referendum, various European leaders, evidently worried that Greece really was on the verge of dropping out of the euro zone, made soothing comments.
Speaking from Aix-en-Provence, France, Sunday morning, Benoit Coeuré, a member of the executive board of the European Central Bank, said “In the current circumstances of great uncertainty in Europe and the world, the ECB has been clear that if we need to do more we will do more…Our will to act in this matter should not be doubted.”
Later in the day, Martin Schulz, president of the European parliament, urged a Yes vote but suggested that Greece would not be cast to the wolves if the event of a No vote. He said emergency loans to keep public services going might be offered, if they are needed. “We won’t abandon the Greek people to their fate,” he said in an interview with the German newspaper Die Welt am Sonntag.
Even Wolfgang Schaueble, the powerful German finance minister who made it abundantly clear weeks ago that negotiating with Mr. Tsipras was a futile exercise, extended an olive branch, of sorts. He aid the referendum’s outcome could push Greece out of the euro zone but that exile would not necessarily be permanent; Greece would be “temporarily without it,” he said, referring to the common currency.
The No vote was propelled by unemployed, the underemployed and the destitute in Greece. Various estimates said about 80 per cent of them voted No. Georges Argiriadis, a part-time taxi driver from Perama, the commercial port town about 15 km west of Athens, was solidly on the No side because he thinks German-inspired austerity demands are killing Greece.
“I am very angry,” he said. “Our government is slaves, slaves to Germany.”


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'Angela, you were haste last week. Whata chat on Monday? '


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Greece has shown that democracy can not be blackmailed!

If they're gonna go down the toilet, its not gonna be by the Germans & the rest of the euro having their foot on their necks........
 

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Guess our stock market will go in the toilet for the week come tomorrow
 

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GREK premarket;

$11.33 up 9.89%....:)




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bailout #3 is in the books......GREK pre-market up another 4%.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/he...-bailout-funds-2015-07-13?link=MW_latest_news


It took 17 hours and no sleep on Sunday for the eurozone’s political leaders to reach an 11th hour reform-for-aid deal on Greece on Monday, staving off a Greek exit from the currency union for now.
But to seal the crucial “aGreekment” — the name given by European Council head Donald Tusk — Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras had to sign off on tough austerity measures and fiscal reforms.







see ya'll at bailout #4............:)



 

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Yeah, I don't know how Greece will pay back close to $400 billion, even with tough austerity put on them.

The Germans put the screws to Greece, showing the world no one should mess with them or the Euro......but oh how they forget that Germany started 2 world wars, & killed around 6 million people.........& still got immense help from everyone around the world.
 

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