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What do you guys think are the most important factors and stats to review when reviewing a pitcher after a game.

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First, you want to know how much a pitcher is going to be used. Most pitchers these days aren't great, so pitching staffs are overworked.
If a pitcher has a live arm - basically meaning he hasn't been overused - a manager with a taxed bullpen is likely to try to get him to a higher pitch count. Unless he's Pedro, this presents a number of opportunities.
Should you consider the over? Should you consider the other side?
This is not as obvious a statistic as hits+walk/innings pitched ratios, or ERA in recent starts. But it has possibilities:
Always try to know how many pitches the starter threw in his last appearance, and how many he regularly throws. Then look at the team's recent bullpen use.
If it's set up that the bullpen needs rest and the starter can go, say, 90 pitches, he likely will be allowed to give up more runs than normal.
In a manager's eyes, sacrificing one game for a healthy bullpen is fair trade. In a gambler's eyes, the sacrifice is all that matters.
 

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What do you like, Anthrope? How about beaten favorites in turnaround situations? I don't have the numbers on that, but it seems to work a lot. With the schedule set up the way it is - teams often playing two series in consecutive weeks - it presents a lot of opportunities for revenge.
 

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I've tried every system under the sun the last 33 years trying to figure out a way to beat baseball. Everybody claims they make a fortune betting it every year but I consider it a big season if I get out alive.

It's probably my favorite sport and I spend a lot of time on it, charting pitchers etc because I need the info at work. But it really is a grind. Looking forward to your input during the regular season.

I'm chomping at the bit waiting for someone to put up over/under win totals. I think there's money to be made there if you do your homework and have money to tie up for the entire season.

I'm hoping the underate the Rockies and I can go over 80-81 wins. Most of the teams in the NL-West took a step back with the possible exception of the Padres, and they're still probably a year away.
 
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Mr Misanthrope wrote> "I've tried every system under the sun the last 33 years trying to figure out a way to beat baseball. Everybody claims they make a fortune betting it every year but I consider it a big season if I get out alive. "

Oh good, I thought I was the only one.

I like to make a list (usually 1 or 2 in each league) of the teams that will be overrated and go against them EVERY DAY for the 1st month. Also like to go with teams I think will be underrated for the 1st month.
I also like to list the pitchers that I think will either have bounce back years or "come back to earth" seasons(like a Matt Clement on the Cubs)

And I like to list the pitchers that just plain SUCK! They are everywhere. James Baldwin,Jeff Weaver...those type of guys.
 

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Sounds like a pretty good plan, NJ, considering April has no evidence to judge by. What other teams/pitchers do you consider to be over- or under-hyped?
 
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I havent looked at anything yet. Usually when the previews come out and all the rosters are set. But I do think the phillies are going to be very overrated. I offer this warning: I have been wrong before.
 

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I think we can all say that! But we've probably been right some, too (hopefully). But sharing ideas is only good if you check out the tips yourself, then draw your own conclusions. I like hearing you say you think the Phillies will be over-rated, because that will make me take extra-careful looks at them. It's not a band-wagon opinion, and that is helpful.
 

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i'll tell you what i'm gonna do this year...go against kerry wood every time. you'll get +150 to +220 depending on who they play and the cubs are one team that is overrated for sure. and, the most overrated guy on the cubs...kerry wood.

he is a .500 pitcher who throws a ton of pitches and has back problems. yeah, he will have the occasional game were he stikes out 13 guys and gives up 2 hits but, he will also have plenty of games where its the middle of the 4th and he has 90 pitches, guys on in every inning, score is 4-2 against him. he gets pulled in the 5th and loses 6-3.

p.s.

i like the phillies to win the n.l.

p.s.s.

i have been wrong before too
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See, I like that. I might have feared going against Wood more before your post. Now I'll take a closer look.

Appears we have several Twins at the end of their contracts - Jones, Milton, Radke to name a few. I'm looking for big seasons from them, because they have it in them. And the lure of $$ from other teams has to have them tuned up.
(Disclaimer here, too!!)
 

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By the way, Blue, you are one of my alltime favorite NBA players. Mr. Instant Over. I wondered whatever became of you -- betting baseball these days. Whooda thunk?
 

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gotta pay the bills somehow
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by the way, eric milton is on the phillies this year...one of the reasons i like them.

good luck.
 
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How about the Red Sox taking a down turn this season? I think Toronto will be better and a lot of those guys on the Sawx had career years last year.

Good point on Kerry Wood. He is up to 150 pitches by the 6th inning and then you have to have the Cubs bullpen -220 for the rest of the day.
 

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