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why does everyone insist on worrying about a pitcher when he is around 100 pitches... i heard an interview on xm with don zimmer recently and he said its a joke how these managers coddle their pitchers... they really treat them like a bunch of pussies... finally tonight cole hamels has 101 after eight and manuel runs him out there and gets a complete game with 15 k's... he finished the game with 118 pitches which i dont think is that bad... its high but i would think if pitchers are pitching good games they can handle 120... next start though i would probably not allow him more than 100 being so early in the season... i just want everyones opinion on how many pitches is too much in a start???
 

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100.........pitching wins games, injury to a starting pitcher - especially a star hurts.

They kept Hamels in, because even with a 3 run lead, Gordon sucks. Most likely.
 

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Couldnt agree with you more. I have been preaching this for a few years now. The manager and pitching coach should be able to judge if a pitcher still has it or is laboring out there. Back in the day pitchers would pitch back to back, 3 out of 5 days,etc.
 

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especially with the piss poor weather in april, some starters had 10 days in between starts. I really don't think there is a problem with 118-120 if it is done responsibly. Hell, Livan Hernandez probably averages that in his starts.
 

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especially with the piss poor weather in april, some starters had 10 days in between starts. I really don't think there is a problem with 118-120 if it is done responsibly. Hell, Livan Hernandez probably averages that in his starts.

Livan Hernandez (and Duque) also learned to pitch in Cuba where they were throwing 200 pitches at age 3. Not as much relief there.

Growing up in America young pitchers coachs cradle them since they picked up a baseball so throwing alot isn't the same.
 

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it really depends what kind of pitcher your talking about

a knuckler or pure flamethrower can go much longer than someone with a wicked curve for example before putting too much stress on the tendons. pitch counts are never accurate indicators. the arm stress isnt a result of throwing x number of pitches. mostly its the result of throwing x number of money (stress) pitches.

but to answer your question i do think pitchers are coddled too much nowdays and there are also more specialty relievers now than 20-30 yrs ago, both of which lead managers to want to pull pitchers too quick.
 

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