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10:00 AM 206 Jacksonville Jaguars +3.5 -125 +152 UNDER 39 -104
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10:00 AM 208 Baltimore Ravens -3.5 -112 -181 UNDER 35.5 -105
Sun 9/19 209 Houston Texans +3 +108 +151 OVER 43 -112
10:00 AM 210 Detroit Lions -3 -118 -161 UNDER 43 +102
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10:00 AM 212 Tennessee Titans -1 +100 -109 UNDER 47 -105
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10:00 AM 216 New York Giants +2.5 +111 +140 UNDER 42.5 -124
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10:00 AM 218 New Orleans Saints -7 -118 -335 UNDER 42 -107
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10:00 AM 220 Atlanta Falcons -2 -109 -128 UNDER 46.5 -110
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01:15 PM 228 Arizona Cardinals +7.5 +100 +320 UNDER 41.5 -105
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01:15 PM 230 Oakland Raiders -3 -118 -163 UNDER 37.5 -105
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01:15 PM 232 San Diego Chargers +3 +107 +155 UNDER 46 -109
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05:35 PM 234 Cincinnati Bengals -5 -102 -220 UNDER 39 -105
10:00 AM 206 Jacksonville Jaguars +3.5 -125 +152 UNDER 39 -104
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10:00 AM 208 Baltimore Ravens -3.5 -112 -181 UNDER 35.5 -105
Sun 9/19 209 Houston Texans +3 +108 +151 OVER 43 -112
10:00 AM 210 Detroit Lions -3 -118 -161 UNDER 43 +102
Sun 9/19 211 Indianapolis Colts +1 -110 -101 OVER 47 -105
10:00 AM 212 Tennessee Titans -1 +100 -109 UNDER 47 -105
Sun 9/19 215 Washington Redskins -2.5 -121 -150 OVER 42.5 +114
10:00 AM 216 New York Giants +2.5 +111 +140 UNDER 42.5 -124
Sun 9/19 217 San Francisco 49ers +7 +108 +305 OVER 42 -103
10:00 AM 218 New Orleans Saints -7 -118 -335 UNDER 42 -107
Sun 9/19 219 St Louis Rams +2 -101 +118 OVER 46.5 +100
10:00 AM 220 Atlanta Falcons -2 -109 -128 UNDER 46.5 -110
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01:15 PM 226 Dallas Cowboys -4 -113 -200 UNDER 39 -105
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01:15 PM 228 Arizona Cardinals +7.5 +100 +320 UNDER 41.5 -105
Sun 9/19 229 Buffalo Bills +3 +108 +153 OVER 37.5 -105
01:15 PM 230 Oakland Raiders -3 -118 -163 UNDER 37.5 -105
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01:15 PM 232 San Diego Chargers +3 +107 +155 UNDER 46 -109
Sun 9/19 233 Miami Dolphins +5 -108 +200 OVER 39 -105
05:35 PM 234 Cincinnati Bengals -5 -102 -220 UNDER 39 -105
i'm getting out as well
One week they are"the sharpest book in the history of the world". The next week they are putting up lines long after everyone else, and holding off on putting up ML im the NFL. Thye are also getting later and later in putting up their MLB lines. So that makes them geniuses as well?
You can't have it both ways. Either they are sharp and winning (unbeatable), or they are gambling and losing. Either they set the standard, or they are putting up lines cloning others or settling somewhere in between the other "big" books.
Lately it has been the latter, for at least the past couple weeks. Thier baseball lines have been up 2-3 hours after evryone else, and while they still have the move,ent, they are not opening 8-10 cents 'off' like they were in the past.
Not to mention they are now having technical difficulites with their line tracking. I can't get them on any of the line updating sites that I use. S to see the movement their lines are making I have to refresh on the main page, and hope I don't get locked up.
I am just surprised that so many people still have their heads in the sand and do not address these things. But because they are who they are they get a long long leash I guess.
But to me it has gone from intrigue to concern. These are tell tale signs of problems in my opinion. But since I am not an "insider" I get brushed off. I said the same thing a couple years ago when Aces was doing pretty much the same thing. But I was literally laughed off or banned from a couple forums.
Not that Pinnacle is that bad, but they have defiantely had a lot of negative things happen in the past few months. One or two can be coincidence, several incidences is more.
I will continue to play there, but I will once again begin to pare down my balance. Baseball is almost over anyways, so no biggie to me. Since they started this new trend they haven't been all that special in baseball either.
You can't have it both ways. Either they are sharp and winning (unbeatable), or they are gambling and losing. Either they set the standard, or they are putting up lines cloning others or settling somewhere in between the other "big" books.
Lately it has been the latter, for at least the past couple weeks. Thier baseball lines have been up 2-3 hours after evryone else, and while they still have the move,ent, they are not opening 8-10 cents 'off' like they were in the past.
Not to mention they are now having technical difficulites with their line tracking. I can't get them on any of the line updating sites that I use. S to see the movement their lines are making I have to refresh on the main page, and hope I don't get locked up.
I am just surprised that so many people still have their heads in the sand and do not address these things. But because they are who they are they get a long long leash I guess.
But to me it has gone from intrigue to concern. These are tell tale signs of problems in my opinion. But since I am not an "insider" I get brushed off. I said the same thing a couple years ago when Aces was doing pretty much the same thing. But I was literally laughed off or banned from a couple forums.
Not that Pinnacle is that bad, but they have defiantely had a lot of negative things happen in the past few months. One or two can be coincidence, several incidences is more.
I will continue to play there, but I will once again begin to pare down my balance. Baseball is almost over anyways, so no biggie to me. Since they started this new trend they haven't been all that special in baseball either.
Betjaimaica was Spiro's way of cloning Pin's opening lines at a much smaller limit, in my opinion. Their numbers came out abut 10 minutes after Pin's did, and for the most part were exactly the same or maybe a penny or two off, even when Pin's openers were sometimes 8-15 cents away from the "market" openers. So to me it was pretty obvious what was going on.
I never opened an account there, but I have to imagine the limits are quite small in comparison, because if he really wanted to clone Pinacle whole hog he would have doen it with Olympic.
I never opened an account there, but I have to imagine the limits are quite small in comparison, because if he really wanted to clone Pinacle whole hog he would have doen it with Olympic.
