Pinnacle is the ONLY book in the World that have that "JOKE rule.

[Concorde]

Pinnacle is the ONLY book in the World that have that JOKE rule.

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12-Apr-05
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To advance. Any Forfeit is No Bet.
AC Milan vs Inter Milan
AC Milan
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Guys,

I think you know what happened last Wednesday in Uefa Champions league of soccer between Milan and Inter. Pinnacle is the ONLY book in the World that have grade that proposition as a no action. This HAVE COST ME ALOSS OF $950 because my Scalp on Inter has been graded a loss by an english book.

Pinnacle is claiming that they have a rule that say any forfeit is no bet. What forfeit means? Forfeit means that a game is not played, or better that THERE IS NOT ANY TYPE OF RESULT OF THAT EVENT.

We have a result on this case? YES. What is that? Milan have qualify. This has been the EXACT words that i have been told by 5dimes, William Hill, ladbrokes and Bet 365.

Here is William Hill rule ...

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1. An unplayed, postponed or abandoned match will be treated as a 'Non-Runner' for settling purposes unless it is played during the same 'Football Week' (Monday - Monday (GMT / BST Time), in which case the bet will stand unless cancelled by mutual consent. If 'Non-Runners' reduce an accumulator, the remaining selections will be settled irrespective of the minimums detailed in Rule 2. Under no circumstances will the judgement of any 'Pools Panel' be accepted as a result.
2. Any match which is abandoned before the completion of 90 minutes play will be void with multiple bets being settled on the remaining selections. This ruling applied to all lists with the exception of :<LI class=nul>1. Bets involving 'First Player To Score', 'Next Goalscorer' or time of first goal, where bets will stand
   provided the first / next goal has been scored at the time of abandonment.
3. 2. Soccerstats or certain special bets where the winning market has already been established and
   no other outcome is possible.
4. 3. For half-time coupon see rule 8

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Questions ...

1) How do you judge a book when they are the ONLY book in the World that have a different rule?

2) How you can write "any forfeit is no bet" in an event when IT IS IMPOSSIBILE TO NOT HAVE ANY OUTCOME, like William Hill write on his rules?

3) Why Pinnacle instead to write a "tricky" word like forfeit, does not CLEARLY write "if a match is abandoned all the bets are void"?

4 ) Next time that you want to play on this proposition bet, will you play with Pinnaclesport or with the other books considering the rules? I am sure that SCALPERS will not even watch Pinnacle odds considering that we are in a situation when the SAME result is graded in a different manner. For sure some players will not anymore wager with them on that.

5 ) Do you think that, if Pinnacle is REALLY the top class book that we all know, they should review that rule and make it like ALL THE OTHERS sportsbooks have, so not remain the only book with that rule?

6) Even if they decide to stay "alone" continuing to be the ONLY book in the World with that rule, should they explain what they means for "forfeit", should they explain how can an event like this be "forfeit" when it is IMPOSSIBILE to not have a result? ( again 99% vs 1% ).

I am going to close my account with Pinnacle for that reason. Rights for me are a MUST in this life and here i DO NOT got what i had to got.

 

[BoZZi]

if they had that rule prior to the game starting it was your responsibility to check on it and make sure you understood it....sorry to hear that your scalp didnt work out

 

[Concorde]

if they had that rule prior to the game starting it was your responsibility to check on it and make sure you understood it....sorry to hear that your scalp didnt work out

BOZZI

I read that rule. Does not Forfeit means that an event does not get any type of result wright? We have a resulty here? Please educate me.

 

[daringly]

A forfeit can occur when a match does not occur, or when the home team's fans disrupt the match. If my memory serves correctly, the referee ruled the match a forfeit around the 76th minute.

You have to be VERY careful playing scalps... Same thing with tennis - how does a book grade a match if a player is losing, and withdraws in the last set? Some grade the remaining player a winner, others grade it as no action.

 

[Concorde]

A forfeit can occur when a match does not occur, or when the home team's fans disrupt the match. If my memory serves correctly, the referee ruled the match a forfeit around the 76th minute.

You have to be VERY careful playing scalps... Same thing with tennis - how does a book grade a match if a player is losing, and withdraws in the last set? Some grade the remaining player a winner, others grade it as no action.

Yes it was in the 76th minute. If they would have write "if a game is abandoned all the bets are refunded" i would have understand it.

 

[HPark1]

tough break considering Inter needed 4 goals in the last 15+ minutes for them to advance. Common sense should overcome the rulebook on some occasions imo.

 

[ChuckSims]

This is the type of rule that has half the bettors happy and the bettors that lose say "its a joke rule". Maybe Pinnacle can give you an explanation why their rule is not the norm.

 

[Concorde]

This is the type of rule that has half the bettors happy and the bettors that lose say "its a joke rule". Maybe Pinnacle can give you an explanation why their rule is not the norm.

They explained me, situation clarifyed. They sad that for "forfeit" they also mean games that could be suspended, abandoned. When i made that bet i read that rule so i cannot and i never complaint with this rule ( even if i think that it is not the good one ), the point is that for "forfeit" i meant that a team should have not played the game ( retire ) or that a game should have not be played for weather etc. so NO OFFICIAL RESULT. It would have be my responsability to check and be sure about what they mean for forfeit. I did not do that probably because when you play from 15 years and you never find that rule, you do not imagine that a book could have a different rule. I had the same situation years ago on the same competition with the same team involved that was AC Milan with french team Marseille ( game suspened in 2nd half ) and bet were payed.

I never imagined that for forfeit they means games that are abandoned too.
Altought i do not agree with this rule and strongly believe that W Hill rule/ english books is the correct one, this does not change the fact that Pinnacle is and probably will always be my 1st top book. It is the last book of this World that i want to have a complaint with.

Next time i will powerfully check what some words means and ask the book prior than made a wager.

Concorde

 

[soccerbob]

Concorde- Following soccer as closely as I do, I was a bit surprised when I saw that disclaimer at Pinnacle when I was checking their prices for the teams to advance. If you're going to try to scalp soccer bets, you have to be very careful as there can be quite a bit of variations in the rules from book to book.

I'm not trying to bust your chops when I say this but I've never been a big fan of scalpers. I much prefer the opinion of someone taking a stance on a game. That being said, I like Manchester United to drill Newcastle in the FA Cup on Sunday. Best of luck in all your wagers. Or scalps. LOL.

 

[Concorde]

Concorde- Following soccer as closely as I do, I was a bit surprised when I saw that disclaimer at Pinnacle when I was checking their prices for the teams to advance. If you're going to try to scalp soccer bets, you have to be very careful as there can be quite a bit of variations in the rules from book to book.

I'm not trying to bust your chops when I say this but I've never been a big fan of scalpers. I much prefer the opinion of someone taking a stance on a game. That being said, I like Manchester United to drill Newcastle in the FA Cup on Sunday. Best of luck in all your wagers. Or scalps. LOL.

Soccerbob,

That is a particular case, a lesson for me to clearly check the rules and "words" next time especially on some propositions. I like the Red Devils too on Sunday.

Concorde

 

[Slash]

Glad I didn't have a bet on that game...

 

[GreenDoberman]

Unfortunately, the rule is stated that the bet is void if the match is abandoned. It says if the outcome is decided the bet stands. You could argue no way they would have come back, but that's not 100%.


Having bet tennis a lot, I can't tell you the pain when you have someone up 60 51 and the other player quits. So I feel your pain.