again...she ran like a 2-5 shot should in a 5 horse field w/a couple of dogs in it...i am not up to date on the 'any given saturday' crop of fillies this year...they any good?...2-2 is a great start....but let's see her do this against a real field...i don't get too crazy w/horses dominating sub par fields.....fantastik time, i readily admit....you own a piece of this horse? or just a photo buff...you got some nice pics in there..love the one in the paddock w/her ears all pricked up
cocktail, this isnt just any random filly who won an allowance.
Princess Arabella is special.. Shes the next big thing in the game sir..
Shes going to win the Las Virgenes then the Oaks and who knows might even run in the Derby... This is the start of her career. So far she hasnt even taken a deep breath.
Princess Arabella is special.. Shes the next big thing in the game sir..
Shes going to win the Las Virgenes then the Oaks and who knows might even run in the Derby... This is the start of her career. So far she hasnt even taken a deep breath.
why is she the next best thing?...you have to admit the 2 fields she has beaten so far are nothing to write home about....to say she is going to win the oaks in the beginning of february is saying an awful lot....again, i am not saying you are wrong...was just wondering if you own a piece of her to be so excited over a filly that has won her first 2 races
I'm excited because I've known about this filly before she ever ran sir. She was the talk of the backside and I've known of her for a long time.
Shes going to run in all grade 1s here on out now. Shes for real my man, I know it sounds like hype and I know shes won a maiden and an allowance but this girl is legit.. enjoy her career.
Shes going to run in all grade 1s here on out now. Shes for real my man, I know it sounds like hype and I know shes won a maiden and an allowance but this girl is legit.. enjoy her career.
BOL Gyno, this looks like a pretty soft spot, although you never know how a horse might react to the altitude change. I know Baffert took this route last year with Plum Pretty, but different years and different horses, so you never know.
Understand you are excited about the horse, but really wish ppl would tone down the hype before they have done anything. I understand you want to be on record of saying she would be great before she actually does anything great, but there are better tempered ways of doing so. I'm having flashbacks to that Derby horse that people were pimping around here a few years back who never even made it to the race.
I'm in my (late) 30s as well and am concerned about the future of the sport I love. Getting excitement and interest built around ownership and/or a certain horse is great for the game, but if people keep coming to boards like this reading over-the-top hype that ends up not coming to fruition, that is going to turn off the average fan, not attract them. I hope she does well for you, but she needs to do more than defeat the tomato cans she has so far (and will face today), and let's face it, this aint exactly the Las Virgines and then the Derby.
Understand you are excited about the horse, but really wish ppl would tone down the hype before they have done anything. I understand you want to be on record of saying she would be great before she actually does anything great, but there are better tempered ways of doing so. I'm having flashbacks to that Derby horse that people were pimping around here a few years back who never even made it to the race.
I'm in my (late) 30s as well and am concerned about the future of the sport I love. Getting excitement and interest built around ownership and/or a certain horse is great for the game, but if people keep coming to boards like this reading over-the-top hype that ends up not coming to fruition, that is going to turn off the average fan, not attract them. I hope she does well for you, but she needs to do more than defeat the tomato cans she has so far (and will face today), and let's face it, this aint exactly the Las Virgines and then the Derby.
gyno called RAchel Alexandra before the horse could jog...ill go with gyno fun info and hype over this preachy 30 something tread poster..
why would this poster even have a care about this anyway on a horse racing forum??? I mean what difference would it make to his life if there is some hype chatter fun discussion on the potential of the horse???
"but really wish ppl would tone down the hype before they have done anything."
"but really wish ppl would tone down the hype before they have done anything."
People hype baseball, basketball, and football players all the time before they have accomplished anything and that doesn't "turn off the average fan"... don't see the logic there... Talking about a horse you think is great/special and it's effect on the future of the game is like spitting in the ocean compared to the public's perception of cheating/drugs/shadiness of the game
Look guys, I get it, you are Gyno's buddies and are going to stick up for him, that's fine. I never implied Gyno frequently makes half-cocked statements that don't pan out, but on the flip-side of that, I don't frequently object to over-the-top-hype that is being put forth for a horse either. It's been 2 years since I last did it on this site, when people were sharing stories about grooms buying futures wagers on some horse who hadn't done a thing yet (and consequently never even made the Derby).
So Gyno and I are both one-for-one it would seem.
I'm not saying there is not potential there for stardom, but there have been many a horse show the kind of promise Gyno is talking about, using the exact same statements (moves great, trainer love him/her, super turn of foot, backside buzz) that end up not panning out, but that isn't even the point here. It's great to show excitement about a horse and talk about future prospects. The question I had (as well as CnL above) is why frame your hype in such a way that anything short of a Derby win and/or Horse of the Year (ala Rachel or Zenyatta) amounts to you being full of hot air?
Its funny someone else mentioned players in team sports here, and while that is pretty much apples and oranges for obvious reasons, the one parallel you could draw here is that what Gyno has done ITT is pick out a High School QB and specifically say he is going to be a Super Bowl MVP instead of just saying he is very promising and could have a very productive career ahead of him.
It's just a question of style of delivery, but I get it, it's fun to make over-the-top statements and see if they stick because there is no accountability later for being wrong. You guys are right that people do it in every sport and it happens all over the place on boards like this. All I was doing (and CnL too) was wondering why such extreme words were used, given how frequently great promise in racing does not pan out (much more frequently than in other sports).
I will definitely be looking forward to her attempting a graded stakes and then seeing if she is multi-dimensional enough to do things like handle the deeper/slower CD surface and/or ship to east coast or handle synthetic, a choice she will likely have to make this summer.
She beat a field of tomato cans yesterday, the best TG figure going into that race outside of PAs 7.5 was a 9 (by this time of year, Rachel Alexandra had run negative numbers. Twice) and a 9 wont win most claiming races at Santa Anita. She also was never really asked to run, so we still don't know what her real potential is, especially since the breeding is less than name brand being out of AGS and a Thunder Gulch mare. It's an interesting story to watch and I'm glad you guys are so excited about it. Enjoy the Oaks, or wherever else it is she is going to run and I'll butt out and let you guys enjoy it.
So Gyno and I are both one-for-one it would seem.
I'm not saying there is not potential there for stardom, but there have been many a horse show the kind of promise Gyno is talking about, using the exact same statements (moves great, trainer love him/her, super turn of foot, backside buzz) that end up not panning out, but that isn't even the point here. It's great to show excitement about a horse and talk about future prospects. The question I had (as well as CnL above) is why frame your hype in such a way that anything short of a Derby win and/or Horse of the Year (ala Rachel or Zenyatta) amounts to you being full of hot air?
Its funny someone else mentioned players in team sports here, and while that is pretty much apples and oranges for obvious reasons, the one parallel you could draw here is that what Gyno has done ITT is pick out a High School QB and specifically say he is going to be a Super Bowl MVP instead of just saying he is very promising and could have a very productive career ahead of him.
It's just a question of style of delivery, but I get it, it's fun to make over-the-top statements and see if they stick because there is no accountability later for being wrong. You guys are right that people do it in every sport and it happens all over the place on boards like this. All I was doing (and CnL too) was wondering why such extreme words were used, given how frequently great promise in racing does not pan out (much more frequently than in other sports).
I will definitely be looking forward to her attempting a graded stakes and then seeing if she is multi-dimensional enough to do things like handle the deeper/slower CD surface and/or ship to east coast or handle synthetic, a choice she will likely have to make this summer.
She beat a field of tomato cans yesterday, the best TG figure going into that race outside of PAs 7.5 was a 9 (by this time of year, Rachel Alexandra had run negative numbers. Twice) and a 9 wont win most claiming races at Santa Anita. She also was never really asked to run, so we still don't know what her real potential is, especially since the breeding is less than name brand being out of AGS and a Thunder Gulch mare. It's an interesting story to watch and I'm glad you guys are so excited about it. Enjoy the Oaks, or wherever else it is she is going to run and I'll butt out and let you guys enjoy it.
TOP 17
Includes Early & Late Triple Crown Nominees That Could Be Under Consideration for Kentucky Oaks 138
Rank
Last
Week
Horse
Graded Stakes
Earnings
Owner(s)
Trainer
1. 1. Grace Hall $740,000 Michael Dubb, Bethlehem Stables and The Elkstone Group Tony Dutrow
2. 2. Believe You Can $369,734 Brereton C. Jones Larry Jones
3. 3. Karlovy Vary $301,694 Alex G. Campbell Jr. Rusty Arnold
4. 4. On Fire Baby $286,729 Anita Cauley Gary Hartlage
5. 6. Broadway’s Alibi $270,000 E. Paul Robsham Stable LLC Todd Pletcher
6. 7. Yara $269,000 Peras International Jose Garoffalo
7. 8. Summer Applause $220,000 Gillian Campbell, R Group Management Ltd. & Greenwood Lodge Farm Bret Calhoun
8. 9. Reneesgotzip $200,000 Lanni Family Trust Peter Miller
9. 10. Eden’s Moon $186,000 Kaleem Shah Inc. Bob Baffert
10. New Mamma Kimbo $180,000 Peachtree Stable Bob Baffert
11. 12. Millionreasonswhy $145,000 Sagamore Farm Ignacio Correas IV
12. 13. Hard Not to Like $135,112 Hillsbrook Farms Gail Cox
13. 30. Amie’s Dini $85,000 Mike D. Walker Ron Moquett
14. 22. In Lingerie $60,140 Eclipse Thoroughbred Partners and Gary Barber Todd Pletcher
15. 23. Zo Impressive $60,000 Live Oak Plantation Tom Albertrani
16. 24. And Why Not $58,253 Helen K. Groves Michael Matz
17. New +Welcome Guest $50,000 A G S Thoroughbred, LTD Chad Brown
Note: The connections of Broadway’s Alibi, Millionreasonswhy and Hard Not to Like have said their horses should be considered “possible” runners at this
stage. Additionally, the connections for Princess Arabella have expressed an interest in running in the Kentucky Oaks but she has $0 graded stakes earnings. One
more graded stakes race is to be run at Keeneland: the Grade III, $100,000 Appalachian at one mile on turf on Thursday, April 19.
Includes Early & Late Triple Crown Nominees That Could Be Under Consideration for Kentucky Oaks 138
Rank
Last
Week
Horse
Graded Stakes
Earnings
Owner(s)
Trainer
1. 1. Grace Hall $740,000 Michael Dubb, Bethlehem Stables and The Elkstone Group Tony Dutrow
2. 2. Believe You Can $369,734 Brereton C. Jones Larry Jones
3. 3. Karlovy Vary $301,694 Alex G. Campbell Jr. Rusty Arnold
4. 4. On Fire Baby $286,729 Anita Cauley Gary Hartlage
5. 6. Broadway’s Alibi $270,000 E. Paul Robsham Stable LLC Todd Pletcher
6. 7. Yara $269,000 Peras International Jose Garoffalo
7. 8. Summer Applause $220,000 Gillian Campbell, R Group Management Ltd. & Greenwood Lodge Farm Bret Calhoun
8. 9. Reneesgotzip $200,000 Lanni Family Trust Peter Miller
9. 10. Eden’s Moon $186,000 Kaleem Shah Inc. Bob Baffert
10. New Mamma Kimbo $180,000 Peachtree Stable Bob Baffert
11. 12. Millionreasonswhy $145,000 Sagamore Farm Ignacio Correas IV
12. 13. Hard Not to Like $135,112 Hillsbrook Farms Gail Cox
13. 30. Amie’s Dini $85,000 Mike D. Walker Ron Moquett
14. 22. In Lingerie $60,140 Eclipse Thoroughbred Partners and Gary Barber Todd Pletcher
15. 23. Zo Impressive $60,000 Live Oak Plantation Tom Albertrani
16. 24. And Why Not $58,253 Helen K. Groves Michael Matz
17. New +Welcome Guest $50,000 A G S Thoroughbred, LTD Chad Brown
Note: The connections of Broadway’s Alibi, Millionreasonswhy and Hard Not to Like have said their horses should be considered “possible” runners at this
stage. Additionally, the connections for Princess Arabella have expressed an interest in running in the Kentucky Oaks but she has $0 graded stakes earnings. One
more graded stakes race is to be run at Keeneland: the Grade III, $100,000 Appalachian at one mile on turf on Thursday, April 19.
