Phil Steele's Conference Winners

[GoSooners]

Steele's conference winners. Discuss amongst yourselves.

First his order of strongest to weakest conferences:

1.SEC East
2.SEC West
3.Big 12 South
4.Big 12 North
5.PAC-10
6.ACC (Man, he doesn't like the ACC very much)
7.Big East

SEC East

1.Florida
2.Georgia
3.Tennessee
4.SC
5.Vandy
6.Kentucky

SEC West

1.Ole Miss
2.Bama
3. LSU
4.Arky
5.Auburn
6.Miss. St.

Big 12 South

1.Texas (I didn't get the rest of the teams. This is all I needed to know)

Big 12 North

1.Nebraska
2.Colorado
3.Kansas State
4.Kansas (Wow! No love for the Fighting Manginos)
5.Mizzou
6.Iowa State

PAC 10

1.USC
2.CAL
3.UCLA!
4.Zona
5.Oregon State
6.Oregon!!!
7.Stanford
8.Arizona State
9.Wash.
10.Wash. St.


Big 10

1.Penn St.
2.Ohio State
3.Illinois
4.Iowa
5.Michigan St.
6.Michigan
7.Wisconsin
8.Minnesota
9.Northwestern
10.Purdue
11.Indiana

ACC Atlantic Div.

1.Clemson
2.Fla. St.
3.BC
4.NCST
5.WF
6.Maryland

ACC Coastal

1.VT
2.Miami
3.GT
4.NC!!
5.Virginia
6.Duke

Big East (I think he's got this one about right)

1.Rutgers
2.Pitt
3.USF
4.WV
5.Cincy
6.UCONN
7.Louisville
8.Syracuse

MWC

1.BYU
2.TCU
3.Utah
4.UNLV
5.AF
6.CSU
7.SDST
8.Wyoming
9.New Mexico

CUSA

West-UTEP!
East-Southern Miss

WAC-Boise

Mac West-CMU
East-Ohio

Sunbelt-Troy

 

[slatter]

I don't think the Terps finish dead last in the ACC Atlantic. They might be an 8-win team.

 

[goblue12]

Absolutely love Rutgers schedule this year. I think they've got a good shot at going 11-1. There really isn't a single game on that schedule that is a guaranteed loss.

 

[GoSooners]

Absolutely love Rutgers schedule this year. I think they've got a good shot at going 11-1. There really isn't a single game on that schedule that is a guaranteed loss.

I agree :toast:

 

[russ1945]

Steele

I posted on my thread (#352) a list of the conferences broke down by ind. team and averaged. I took that from Steele's online site and the entire posting is still on my thread. It states that those were his ratings as of 4-15-09. If you do the same thing I did you will find that according to Steele's ratings the ACC had the highest rated strength of schedule. In fact the ACC rated the highest by far. Your comment about him about not liking the ACC very much has a lot to do with their strength of schedule and the fact that they all play each other and there is a lot of parity. I left my magazine at my office because I am breaking down some numbers on that computer so I cannot reference it at this time. Without reading the remarks he makes before he does the ratings you posted above I am a little puzzled. I am guessing that he is ranking the conferences based on the strength of the teams and on their potential success vs. their schedule. This puts the ACC at a big disadvantage.
He has Texas rated #1 in the Big South because their strength of schedule if easier/weaker than OU or OSU. The percentages are in their favor and if there ever was a numbers man it is Phil Steele.
I have been touting Illinois and Arizona and as you can see he has them ranked much higher than most people I have heard from in here had them.
Again Southern Miss (again very weak schedule) is where I thought they would be.
Again, I guess everyone is high on Nebraska including Steele, so I am still checking that one out.
The biggest slap in the face goes to the Pac 10 however. Rated behind the Big 12 North is pretty tough to accept. Surely Conan will assualt that ranking.
Again, I am going to refrain from making mass postings from Steele's Preseason Magazine out of respect to those who want to feel like Steve Martin in the movie where he got so excited when the new phone books arrived.

 

[Conan]

The biggest slap in the face goes to the Pac 10 however. Rated behind the Big 12 North is pretty tough to accept. Surely Conan will assualt that ranking.
Again, I am going to refrain from making mass postings from Steele's Preseason Magazine out of respect to those who want to feel like Steve Martin in the movie where he got so excited when the new phone books arrived.

UCLA is his #3. What could I possibly say to top that?


Are you really comparing people to Steve Martin and the new phone book?
Wasn't that movie called "The Jerk"

Really Russ, why make an underhanded remark like that about people you don't even know?

 

[GoSooners]

UCLA is his #3. What could I possibly say to top that?


Are you really comparing people to Steve Martin and the new phone book?
Wasn't that movie called "The Jerk"

Really Russ, why make an underhanded remark like that about people you don't even know?

This is about the kind of statement that I've come to expect from Russ every time he puts his one finger at a time to the keyboard.

 

[russ1945]

UCLA is his #3. What could I possibly say to top that?


Are you really comparing people to Steve Martin and the new phone book?
Wasn't that movie called "The Jerk"

Really Russ, why make an underhanded remark like that about people you don't even know?

Again you missed a high hard one right down the middle. That was a humorous comment. Where did you come up with the underhanded accusation? Just like you don't understand UCLA being no.3, or Arizona being no.4 in the Pac 10 you seem to be in a little paranoid world of your own. Now I see why CP gets under your skin so easily. Here I will break it down for you. I see no reason to ruin other peoples opportunity to buy the magazine when it comes out and to fill this forum with major postings out of "respect" to them. There are some in here who want the opportunity to read everything themselves, pure and simple. Are you catching on? Filling this forum with early bird Steelisms would be disrespectful and would indeed make me a "jerk". If you saw the movie the humor in the lines he said about the new phone book were about the excitement he found in a rather mundane event. Some people respect Steele and would like the opportunity to have that same kind of excitement first hand, not second hand. The example I used was about the excitement of reading the magazine, extracting the info they are looking for, and the self discovery aspect of doing it yourself. Should I wholesale the magazine page by page on here just because I have it and one of those persons does not. I would want to read it myself and I respect that for others also. So the only underhanded thing involved in this whole waste of time is that you don't get it. I am so used to that I am already over it. I am really directing this posting to others who are on this thread and I hope they respect my decision the same as I respect their right to self discovering the contents of Steele's magazine. So maybe now I can answer your question about whether or not I am comparing people on here to Steve Martin in the movie. The answer is yes and no. Can you figure that one out?

 

[SoonerBS]

GS, without having "dug" into it like I usually do yet, I have the Big 12 North going like this:

1.) Colorado
2.) Nebraska (I'm not as hyped about them as most people are)
3.) Kansas (just offense alone)
4.) Mizzou
5.) K-State
6.) Iowa State

Even as far back as Callahan's years Nebraska has received a lot of preseason hype. I love it because they are usually a good early fade for the money.

Colorado has a good solid o-line (you know how I love the guys in the trenches) and they may have the best running game in the Big 12 North this year. They are weak at linebacker, but the rest of the defense should be decent.

Kansas will likely have the best offensive production, but so might every team that plays against them this year.

How the hell does Steele have K-State #3? Has Snyder been giving him reacharounds or something?

 

[russ1945]

Gs

This is about the kind of statement that I've come to expect from Russ every time he puts his one finger at a time to the keyboard.

And it is just like you to make a stupider remark than Conan without reading my reply to him about the comment and why I have chose not to make postings from Steele's periodical like yours which some people would rather obtain personally in their own time. It is all about respect and I don't think that just because you or I have one now and they can't get theirs till later that your revelations (I mean postings) can be justified. To me it shows a lack of respect and just wholesaling it out there like you are now could prove dangerous if Steele or any one that works for him monitors this forum. I wish some other people would post on here as to whether they want it now or they would like it later. If they want it now you can do it. I would much prefer for everyone to get it themselves, read it, and then we can all discuss it's contents and they will not be at a disadvantage like they are now. But that is just me.

 

[GoSooners]

GS, without having "dug" into it like I usually do yet, I have the Big 12 North going like this:

1.) Colorado
2.) Nebraska (I'm not as hyped about them as most people are)
3.) Kansas (just offense alone)
4.) Mizzou
5.) K-State
6.) Iowa State

Even as far back as Callahan's years Nebraska has received a lot of preseason hype. I love it because they are usually a good early fade for the money.

Colorado has a good solid o-line (you know how I love the guys in the trenches) and they may have the best running game in the Big 12 North this year. They are weak at linebacker, but the rest of the defense should be decent.

Kansas will likely have the best offensive production, but so might every team that plays against them this year.

How the hell does Steele have K-State #3? Has Snyder been giving him reacharounds or something?

BS...I have it very close between Nebraska, Colorado and Kansas. The other teams in this division are irrelevant. I like the Kansas offense, but I understand that after the spring practices they are having problems filling some of thier needs on the O-Line. And I've been very impressed with their two good linebackers for the last couple of years. And now their gone. And it's never good to see a middle of the pack conference team like Kansas lose their defensive backbone. As for Nebraska, their problem is obvious that it's going to be the QB position. And their other question mark will be at WR and LB. I believe the Huskers, despite returning just 5 or 6 on defense, could be stronger on defense than anybody in the North. But Colorado is still a mystery to me. If the defense can come together they'll be very dangerous. Especially since they get Nebraska, Kansas and Mizzou at home. But from what I'm seeing so far, they still look pretty unsettled on the D-Line, and their breaking in 3 new players in the secondary. BS..In the back of my mind I have a good feeling about the Buffs. But I'm afraid to come right out and say it until I see more.

 

[SoonerBS]

I ran across this in an article on ESPN and it kind of surprises me: "<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="ProgId" content="OneNote.File"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft OneNote 12">Dan Hawkins confidently picked the Buffaloes to go 10-2 after last season." Hawkins is an emotional coach, but he has always called things like they are in the past. If he has the confidence to think his team is going 10-2, then he knows something about my "questions for this team" that I do not know. I've never had confidence in Cody Hawkins. If he is QB again this season, then I'm going to have to believe that he has matured some and hopefully is smarter.

I know their schedule is more favorable than most of the teams in the North, but I also see them as having a more consistent offensive and defensive unit. If they can establish that running game on teams, and get just a little help from the QB in the passing game, then they can get close to that 10-2 Hawkins is looking for in his team.

 

[GoSooners]

BS...It still bothers me some that Buffs OC Belfrich ran off to Oregon. I hate it when a team loses their OC like this. Especially right before spring practices were to begin. I am as curious as you of what they do with the QB position. Hansen breaking his finger hurt him for the spring. But it could be a completely different story come fall. I think that all Hawkins has been waiting on is a talented QB to come in and fill his sons shoes. From what I'm hearing I think Hansen could be the one to fill those shoes. But it's a close contest between the two right now. The one thing I hope Hawkins doesn't do is rotate his QB's like he did last season. It didn't work then. And I doubt it would work this season. These are the things that gives me pause right now. I love the players they have in the trenches. Even on the D-Line. I think Eugene Goree will be a good nose tackle for them if they decide to go to the 3-4. But here again, they are still unsettled and a little undecided if they want to go 3-4 or 4-3. I'm hoping Hawkins will start the fall practices with everybody in place and settled. Then I may feel a little more positive.

 

[SoonerBS]

BS...It still bothers me some that Buffs OC Belfrich ran off to Oregon. I hate it when a team loses their OC like this. Especially right before spring practices were to begin. I am as curious as you of what they do with the QB position. Hansen breaking his finger hurt him for the spring. But it could be a completely different story come fall. I think that all Hawkins has been waiting on is a talented QB to come in and fill his sons shoes. From what I'm hearing I think Hansen could be the one to fill those shoes. But it's a close contest between the two right now. The one thing I hope Hawkins doesn't do is rotate his QB's like he did last season. It didn't work then. And I doubt it would work this season. These are the things that gives me pause right now. I love the players they have in the trenches. Even on the D-Line. I think Eugene Goree will be a good nose tackle for them if they decide to go to the 3-4. But here again, they are still unsettled and a little undecided if they want to go 3-4 or 4-3. I'm hoping Hawkins will start the fall practices with everybody in place and settled. Then I may feel a little more positive.

I agree with everything you have said. If Cody is the QB by game time, I'm thinking that things didn't go as planned for Hawkins. Fall will tell us a lot more on this team . . . . .

 

[goblue12]

I find it a bit odd that Steele has Oregon State 36th in his Top-40 on his website, while Arizona 40th in his rankings. However, Zona is 4th and OSU is 5th in the Pac-10 race. I'm assuming scheduling has something to do with the final finish?

:think2:

 

[SoonerBS]

I find it a bit odd that Steele has Oregon State 36th in his Top-40 on his website, while Arizona 40th in his rankings. However, Zona is 4th and OSU is 5th in the Pac-10 race. I'm assuming scheduling has something to do with the final finish?

:think2:

It probably has something to do with the 36 different power rating systems he uses to come to his conclusions . . . . .

 

[russ1945]

I find it a bit odd that Steele has Oregon State 36th in his Top-40 on his website, while Arizona 40th in his rankings. However, Zona is 4th and OSU is 5th in the Pac-10 race. I'm assuming scheduling has something to do with the final finish?

:think2:

If you ever read Steele's publication cover to cover there are many things that are hard to comprehend. He has many ways of ranking or rating teams, at least nine. In his magazine he really only reveals two.
The Preseason Top 40 is based on how he thinks things will play out in the end, has more to do with wins/losses/scheduling and final results. The Power Rating 120 has to do with how he assesses the real strength of the teams individually, not on final wins and losses, but whether or not he thinks team 20 is better than team 40. That has a lot to do with strength of schedule, etc. In his mind they are two distinct methods of evaluating the teams. I don't think that he is hedging himself so much as opening up the fact that there are many possibilities. I kind of think of it like he is under the blanket with his feet sticking out. In the end one of his systems may prove out to have worked better than the others but any way you look at it they are all his systems. In the end although he has an unlimited access to facts, info, and statistics it really is just his opinion. The term just may be unjust because he puts more into research than most of us can imagine. It is a full time job and it is all he does 24/7/365.

Also you have proven my point about why it might not be good for those who already have his magazine for 2009 to be spoon feeding it onto these threads. It can be confusing. If everyone waits to at least unload the big stuff like GS has already posted, then you can get the magazine, and have a chance to put everything into it's proper perspective. Doing what GS is doing can confuse you at this point and without the magazine for reference you might get confused or maybe even prejudiced and there is always the risk of misposting something. You may have been interested in knowing the order Steele picked for the Big 12 South once it was presented by GS. That is the problem and the danger in picking and choosing as one sees fit when you are basically taking a presentation that was intended to be seen and asssesed in total and not showing as it was intended. That was all GS needed to know but was that fair to you the reader. There in lies the rub. At that point tell it all or nothing at all.
I say, wait until you guys have a chance to get the magazine and at that point we can all be on equal footing.

 

[GoSooners]

Russ...Don't you think your being a little anal retentive with your "GS ruined everything for us" attitude? These are his conference winners and surprise teams. It's not "rocket science". Stop making it more than what it is. Steele isn't the Wizard Of Oz. Not everybody on here is waiting with baited breath for his next prediction. It's entertainment. And that's all. Get over it.hno:

 

[russ1945]

Russ...Don't you think your being a little anal retentive with your "GS ruined everything for us" attitude? These are his conference winners and surprise teams. It's not "rocket science". Stop making it more than what it is. Steele isn't the Wizard Of Oz. Not everybody on here is waiting with baited breath for his next prediction. It's entertainment. And that's all. Get over it.hno:

Most of what you put on here is not rocket science but at least Steele's contributions raise the ante on your behalf. Not anal rentitive I am just not as quick on the draw as you are to put the stuff out before it's time.
I have mentioned on here before that you, like Conan, and BS are very much like the man behind the curtain and none of you are the Wizard of Oz either. And I am sure your breath is not baited because you alrready have or have access to his publication and besides your breath would have that jock strap smell to it anyway. If you did not have the magazine would you want someone posting it on here. It is really just about respect, something I thought you would have at least considered. In my thread I said I had it but I thought it would be in everyone's best interests to wait until everyone had a chance to get one before plastering it all over a thread.

 

[letsgohoosiers]

First his order of strongest to weakest conferences:

1.SEC East
2.SEC West
3.Big 12 South
4.Big 12 North
5.PAC-10
6.ACC (Man, he doesn't like the ACC very much)
7.Big East

So, 12th was the Big Ten (I'm sorry, Big 11), behind the MWC, behind the MAC, behind the WAC, behind the Sun Belt, because they're soooooo slow?