Pharoah vs. Secretariat? Video shows no contest

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American Pharoah became the first horse since Affirmed to win the Triple Crown last Saturday at the Belmont Stakes, but American Pharoah’s final time around the 1.5-mile track was a full two seconds behind the record set by Secretariat in 1973. The Wall Street Journal made this amazing side-by-side video to show Secretariat against American Pharoah, and the race was over by the 1/4-mile mark.
[h=4]1/4-mile[/h] American Pharoah: 24.06
Secretariat: 23.6
[h=4]1/2-mile[/h] American Pharoah: 48.83
Secretariat: 46.2
[h=4]3/4-mile[/h] American Pharoah: 1:13.41
Secretariat: 1:09.8
[h=4]1-mile[/h] American Pharoah: 2:02.33
Secretariat: 1:59
[h=4]Finish[/h] American Pharoah: 2:26.65
Secretariat: 2:24
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I look at Secretariat like Michael Jordan.....You gotta be exceptional to be better.

Secretariat was a great horse.
 

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Triple Sec.....Big Red....LOL
 

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The comparison proves what? You could put any Belmont or TC winner side by side and each time Secretariat has the fastest time.

I am no AP fan by any stretch but it's unfair to compare any horse from any year like this. Training was different, medication was different, quality of tracks were different and the overall quality of horses from each 3 year old crop is different.

This video and any comparison is much ado about NOTHING.
 
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The comparison proves what? You could put any Belmont or TC winner side by side and each time Secretariat has the fastest time.

I am no AP fan by any stretch but it's unfair to compare any horse from any year like this. Training was different, medication was different, quality of tracks were different and the overall quality of horses from each 3 year old crop is different.

This video and any comparison is much ado about NOTHING.

The Bold above just proves it more, that is if you want to Compare.
Back in those days it was a Lot Different, and Not for the better.... Much Faster Tracks and times now a days. Just makes Secretariat that much better than Any horse in today's age.
 

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Secretariat still raced after winning the triple crown....He ran 6 more races.

Now a days they hang it up and report to stud.
 

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Secretariat forever and if any horse shall ever beat his time needs to be investigated. Just sayin'.
 
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Secretariat still raced after winning the triple crown....He ran 6 more races.

Now a days they hang it up and report to stud.

That's more for protection for the Big $$$
back when I was in the game, Trainers didn't care and wanted to make as much money as possible racing the horse. The Owners just followed what the Trainers said.
Huge money in the breeding part of the game, and more so now.
I've only owned 3 horses in my life time that made it to the breeding shed. 2 sires and one broodmare.
 

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That's more for protection for the Big $$$
back when I was in the game, Trainers didn't care and wanted to make as much money as possible racing the horse. The Owners just followed what the Trainers said.
Huge money in the breeding part of the game, and more so now.
I've only owned 3 horses in my life time that made it to the breeding shed. 2 sires and one broodmare.


After Saturday's Belmont Stakes victory, his value could skyrocket to as much as $100 million over the next few years.

That`s big money....It`s a business....As much as we would like to see him run again.
 

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good post BAS. Thanks for sharing.:103631605

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The Bold above just proves it more, that is if you want to Compare.
Back in those days it was a Lot Different, and Not for the better.... Much Faster Tracks and times now a days. Just makes Secretariat that much better than Any horse in today's age.
Plus trainers couldn't legally administer the kinds of drugs to horses back then to keep them going like they can now. Like Lasix for one. And I'm sure they have better anti-inflammatory drugs now than they did back then. In other words those horses that ran all 3 legs of the Triple Crown were not only good, they were tough too.
 

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Plus trainers couldn't legally administer the kinds of drugs to horses back then to keep them going like they can now. Like Lasix for one. And I'm sure they have better anti-inflammatory drugs now than they did back then. In other words those horses that ran all 3 legs of the Triple Crown were not only good, they were tough too.

Excellent point.
 
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After Saturday's Belmont Stakes victory, his value could skyrocket to as much as $100 million over the next few years.

That`s big money....It`s a business....As much as we would like to see him run again.

Pretty much not far from it already. Reportedly his starting stud fee will be $175,000 per foal & his book will see at least 100 mares so that is a cool $17.5 million in one year of duty. He easily can make near or over that before his first foals even reach the track.

The money alone makes it unlikely he will race again much less the minimum of 2 or 3 starts they have in mind. The owners have to consider the more he races, the insurance premiums rise with risk of injury. Regardless of what Zayat says, we know Ashford aka Coolmore is the boss now.
 

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what a life he has ahead of him...lay around, eat oats and fuck all day
 

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AP has only raced 8 times was 5-1 going into the derby

Affirmed was 11-2 going into the derby ending up 29 starts 22-5-1

so AP will only race like 10 times ever kinda hard to put him in the top 50 even if he won the TC
 
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Zayat doesn't need the money. And the chance of any sound horse sustaining a life ending injury in any given race has to be very high odds. I'd bet something like 10,000/1.

But horseracing sorely needs the Pharoh to run as many times as he can.

I'm hoping twice more - the Travers against older horses (Honor Code and Tonalist in the Travers with AP would be huge for horseracing) and the Breeders Cup.

And you can compare horses from different eras. Like BAS said, when Secretariat ran the track was slower because it wasn't as manicured and like Sooner said the NYRA wouldn't allow Lasix or bute back then.

By the way if you don't know, Secretariat won the Belmont by 31 lengths, never whipped or pushed. He holds the record time for the Belmont as he does for the Ky Derby. He is incomparable, the very definition of legend.
 
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Zayat doesn't need the money. And the chance of any sound horse sustaining a life ending injury in any given race has to be very high odds. I'd bet something like 10,000/1.

But horseracing sorely needs the Pharoh to run as many times as he can.

I'm hoping twice more - the Travers against older horses (Honor Code and Tonalist in the Travers with AP would be huge for horseracing) and the Breeders Cup.

And you can compare horses from different eras. Like BAS said, when Secretariat ran the track was slower because it wasn't as manicured and like Sooner said the NYRA wouldn't allow Lasix or bute back then.

By the way if you don't know, Secretariat won the Belmont by 31 lengths, never whipped or pushed. He holds the record time for the Belmont as he does for the Ky Derby. He is incomparable, the very definition of legend.
The Travers is for 3 year olds only but I agree with you about hoping to see him a few more times. The Travers is like the fall version of the Derby with plenty of good late blooming 3 year olds. And of course, I'd love to see him face the older horses in Breeders. Cup Classic.
 

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