Just like I said it's the swill like Arnett that's are worst enemy not al queda or Saddam. Lets see if Arnett stays in Iraq or comes back to the states I'm sure he come back to the good ole USA.
I wonder how much he makes from Iraqi state TV?
Out:
Arnett just expressed his personal feelings and perception as to how the war was going.
What's so terrible about that?
Things are said in the US press every day that are critical about US Policy - do you want the newspapaers closed down or the reporters fired next?.
Arnett just expressed his personal feelings and perception as to how the war was going.
What's so terrible about that?
Things are said in the US press every day that are critical about US Policy - do you want the newspapaers closed down or the reporters fired next?.
I don't think it's treason, but Joey, the reason he was fired was because of WHERE he made those critical comments, which could only be used by Iraq for propaganda purposes - Iraq is not interested in the truth, they are even now calling for the surrender of the coalition troops. Arnett has already apologized all over himself this morning on some TV show but it's a little too late for that - anyone with journalism experience whould have known not to do what he did. It's not the first time he's done things like this, so I guess he finally used up his ninth life.
p.s. He's welcome to comment that way until hell freezes over, but not as a tool for use by Saddam's ****ed-up regime.
p.s. He's welcome to comment that way until hell freezes over, but not as a tool for use by Saddam's ****ed-up regime.
Jazz:
The reason he was fired is because NBC got leaned on the the US Govt.
Now, all field reporters have a new message..
Reporters in the field - Either you report what we want you to say or adios.
Where's the FREE PRESS then ???
The reason he was fired is because NBC got leaned on the the US Govt.
Now, all field reporters have a new message..
Reporters in the field - Either you report what we want you to say or adios.
Where's the FREE PRESS then ???
Joey: why don't you ask Saddam about his 'FREE PRESS'?
I think a lot of you confuse 'FREE PRESS' with carte blanche to say whatever you feel like it whenever and wherever you like WITHOUT RAMIFICATIONS. Peter Arnett himself called his comments stupid this morning on NBC and aplogized - why? Of COURSE NBC felt the heat, for Christ's sake - here's their employee showing up on IRAQI TV and giving some comfort to the enemy. This is WAR TIME - I repeat - WAR TIME - and if you think that these are unreasonable limits (not giving interviews like that to your enemy), then you simply do not understand what 'war' means. Peter can yip and yap about his personal opinions all he likes back home - just not as a propaganda dupe.
Too bad Peter forgot that, and too late has he realized that there are consequences.
I think a lot of you confuse 'FREE PRESS' with carte blanche to say whatever you feel like it whenever and wherever you like WITHOUT RAMIFICATIONS. Peter Arnett himself called his comments stupid this morning on NBC and aplogized - why? Of COURSE NBC felt the heat, for Christ's sake - here's their employee showing up on IRAQI TV and giving some comfort to the enemy. This is WAR TIME - I repeat - WAR TIME - and if you think that these are unreasonable limits (not giving interviews like that to your enemy), then you simply do not understand what 'war' means. Peter can yip and yap about his personal opinions all he likes back home - just not as a propaganda dupe.
Too bad Peter forgot that, and too late has he realized that there are consequences.
He should retreat to New Zealand or be tried for treason.
Jazz:
Are you suggesting the US lower it's standards and freedoms's to Iraq's level?
Iraq booted CNN as they perceived CNN as being biased to the US.
Isn't this Arnett thing more or less the same deal?
Frankly, I agree with Arnett. I don't think Dumsfeld thought the Iraqui forces would fight as hard as they are fighting, and that the US forces are indeed re-evualuating their Baghdad attack plans.
Doesn't the Admin take heat in the US and World Press daily over this war?
Is it really in the US best interests to have the media to reduced to being a mouthpiece for the administration du jour? I think not.
JC
Are you suggesting the US lower it's standards and freedoms's to Iraq's level?
Iraq booted CNN as they perceived CNN as being biased to the US.
Isn't this Arnett thing more or less the same deal?
Frankly, I agree with Arnett. I don't think Dumsfeld thought the Iraqui forces would fight as hard as they are fighting, and that the US forces are indeed re-evualuating their Baghdad attack plans.
Doesn't the Admin take heat in the US and World Press daily over this war?
Is it really in the US best interests to have the media to reduced to being a mouthpiece for the administration du jour? I think not.
JC
Joey: what part of my earlier reply didn't you understand? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm serious.
In war, you don't go on the enemy's TV or radio and give sympathy to them DIRECTLY. You are free to say whatever else you'd like on other outlets, of course realizing this is a real world and some comments may cause ramifications.
I cannot be any more clear about this - if it upsets you that Peter got booted, fine - personally, I loved it.
In war, you don't go on the enemy's TV or radio and give sympathy to them DIRECTLY. You are free to say whatever else you'd like on other outlets, of course realizing this is a real world and some comments may cause ramifications.
I cannot be any more clear about this - if it upsets you that Peter got booted, fine - personally, I loved it.
Arnett provided aid and comfort to the enemy. The Iraqi army is near defeat. The US is within 50 miles of Baghdad with light resistance. We control the air and most of the major roads and that useful idiot goes on state run Iraqi TV and provides the Iraqi troops hope. Give me a fukin break on this one. Arnett knows the pounding the Iraqis are taking and if he said it on Iraqi TV they'd slash his leftest throat.
Joey - and Peter is supposed to be objective!?? See the bolded comment below - I'm so grateful he speaks for all of us.
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NEW YORK — NBC fired journalist Peter Arnett on Monday, saying it was wrong for him to give an interview with state-run Iraqi TV in which he said the American-led coalition's initial plan for the war had failed because of Iraq's resistance. Arnett called the interview a "misjudgment" and apologized.
Arnett, on NBC's Today show on Monday, said he was sorry for his statement but added "I said over the weekend what we all know about the war."
"I want to apologize to the American people for clearly making a misjudgment," the New Zealand-born Arnett said. He said he would try to leave Baghdad now, joking "there's a small island in the South Pacific that I've inhabited that I'll try to swim to."
NBC defended him Sunday, saying he had given the interview as a professional courtesy and that his remarks were analytical in nature. But by Monday morning the network switched course and, after Arnett spoke with NBC News President Neal Shapiro, said it would no longer work with Arnett.
"It was wrong for Mr. Arnett to grant an interview to state-controlled Iraqi TV, especially at a time of war," NBC spokeswoman Allison Gollust said. "And it was wrong for him to discuss his personal observations and opinions in that interview."
Arnett, who won a Pulitzer Prize reporting in Vietnam for The Associated Press, gained much of his prominence from covering the 1991 Gulf War for CNN. One of the few American television reporters left in Baghdad, his reports were frequently aired on NBC and its cable sisters, MSNBC and CNBC.
Leaving a second network under a cloud may mark the end of his TV career. Arnett was the on-air reporter of the 1998 CNN report that accused American forces of using sarin nerve gas on a Laotian village in 1970 to kill U.S. defectors. Two CNN employees were sacked and Arnett was reprimanded over the report, which the station later retracted. Arnett left the network when his contract was not renewed.
In the Iraqi TV interview, broadcast Sunday by Iraq's satellite television station and monitored by The Associated Press in Egypt, Arnett said his Iraqi friends tell him there is a growing sense of nationalism and resistance to what the United States and Britain are doing.
He said the United States is reappraising the battlefield and delaying the war, maybe for a week, "and rewriting the war plan. The first war plan has failed because of Iraqi resistance. Now they are trying to write another war plan."
"Clearly, the American war plans misjudged the determination of the Iraqi forces," Arnett said.
Arnett said it is clear that within the United States there is growing opposition to the war and a growing challenge to President Bush about the war's conduct.
"Our reports about civilian casualties here, about the resistance of the Iraqi forces, are going back to the United States," he said. "It helps those who oppose the war when you challenge the policy to develop their arguments."
At a briefing Sunday in Qatar, Gen. Tommy Franks ticked off major achievements of the war campaign, including the advance of troops to within 60 miles of Baghdad. But he found himself answering questions about whether he had enough troops to do the job and denying that coalition forces were stalled.
A Republican congresswoman, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, told Fox News Channel on Sunday that Arnett's remarks were "Kafkaesque" and "just crazy."
"Let's hope that he's being coerced," Ros-Lehtinen said.
The first Bush administration was unhappy with Arnett's reporting on the Gulf War in 1991 for CNN, suggesting he had become a conveyor of propaganda. ARnett was denounced for reporting that the allies had bombed a baby milk factory in Baghdad when the military said it was a biological weapons plant.
Arnett went to Iraq this year not as an NBC News reporter but as an employee of the MSNBC show National Geographic Explorer. When other NBC reporters left Baghdad for safety reasons, the network began airing his reports. NBC said Monday he wouldn't be reporting for National Geographic Explorer either.
The Iraqi TV interview was broadcast in English and translated by a uniformed Iraqi anchor. NBC said Arnett gave the interview when asked shortly after he attended an Iraqi government briefing.
In the April 5 issue of TV Guide, Arnett said he felt he had found redemption reporting on the current war.
"I was furious with (CNN founder) Ted Turner and (then-CNN chairman) Tom Johnson when they threw me to the wolves after I made them billions risking my life to cover the first Gulf War," Arnett told TV Guide.
"Now (Turner and Johnson) are gone, the Iraqis have thrown the CNN crew out of Baghdad, and I'm still here," he said. "Any satisfaction in that? Ha, ha, ha, ha."
He said the Iraqis allowed him to stay in Baghdad because they respect him and "see me as a fellow warrior."
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NEW YORK — NBC fired journalist Peter Arnett on Monday, saying it was wrong for him to give an interview with state-run Iraqi TV in which he said the American-led coalition's initial plan for the war had failed because of Iraq's resistance. Arnett called the interview a "misjudgment" and apologized.
Arnett, on NBC's Today show on Monday, said he was sorry for his statement but added "I said over the weekend what we all know about the war."
"I want to apologize to the American people for clearly making a misjudgment," the New Zealand-born Arnett said. He said he would try to leave Baghdad now, joking "there's a small island in the South Pacific that I've inhabited that I'll try to swim to."
NBC defended him Sunday, saying he had given the interview as a professional courtesy and that his remarks were analytical in nature. But by Monday morning the network switched course and, after Arnett spoke with NBC News President Neal Shapiro, said it would no longer work with Arnett.
"It was wrong for Mr. Arnett to grant an interview to state-controlled Iraqi TV, especially at a time of war," NBC spokeswoman Allison Gollust said. "And it was wrong for him to discuss his personal observations and opinions in that interview."
Arnett, who won a Pulitzer Prize reporting in Vietnam for The Associated Press, gained much of his prominence from covering the 1991 Gulf War for CNN. One of the few American television reporters left in Baghdad, his reports were frequently aired on NBC and its cable sisters, MSNBC and CNBC.
Leaving a second network under a cloud may mark the end of his TV career. Arnett was the on-air reporter of the 1998 CNN report that accused American forces of using sarin nerve gas on a Laotian village in 1970 to kill U.S. defectors. Two CNN employees were sacked and Arnett was reprimanded over the report, which the station later retracted. Arnett left the network when his contract was not renewed.
In the Iraqi TV interview, broadcast Sunday by Iraq's satellite television station and monitored by The Associated Press in Egypt, Arnett said his Iraqi friends tell him there is a growing sense of nationalism and resistance to what the United States and Britain are doing.
He said the United States is reappraising the battlefield and delaying the war, maybe for a week, "and rewriting the war plan. The first war plan has failed because of Iraqi resistance. Now they are trying to write another war plan."
"Clearly, the American war plans misjudged the determination of the Iraqi forces," Arnett said.
Arnett said it is clear that within the United States there is growing opposition to the war and a growing challenge to President Bush about the war's conduct.
"Our reports about civilian casualties here, about the resistance of the Iraqi forces, are going back to the United States," he said. "It helps those who oppose the war when you challenge the policy to develop their arguments."
At a briefing Sunday in Qatar, Gen. Tommy Franks ticked off major achievements of the war campaign, including the advance of troops to within 60 miles of Baghdad. But he found himself answering questions about whether he had enough troops to do the job and denying that coalition forces were stalled.
A Republican congresswoman, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, told Fox News Channel on Sunday that Arnett's remarks were "Kafkaesque" and "just crazy."
"Let's hope that he's being coerced," Ros-Lehtinen said.
The first Bush administration was unhappy with Arnett's reporting on the Gulf War in 1991 for CNN, suggesting he had become a conveyor of propaganda. ARnett was denounced for reporting that the allies had bombed a baby milk factory in Baghdad when the military said it was a biological weapons plant.
Arnett went to Iraq this year not as an NBC News reporter but as an employee of the MSNBC show National Geographic Explorer. When other NBC reporters left Baghdad for safety reasons, the network began airing his reports. NBC said Monday he wouldn't be reporting for National Geographic Explorer either.
The Iraqi TV interview was broadcast in English and translated by a uniformed Iraqi anchor. NBC said Arnett gave the interview when asked shortly after he attended an Iraqi government briefing.
In the April 5 issue of TV Guide, Arnett said he felt he had found redemption reporting on the current war.
"I was furious with (CNN founder) Ted Turner and (then-CNN chairman) Tom Johnson when they threw me to the wolves after I made them billions risking my life to cover the first Gulf War," Arnett told TV Guide.
"Now (Turner and Johnson) are gone, the Iraqis have thrown the CNN crew out of Baghdad, and I'm still here," he said. "Any satisfaction in that? Ha, ha, ha, ha."
He said the Iraqis allowed him to stay in Baghdad because they respect him and "see me as a fellow warrior."
The enemy is within!!!!! Our worst enemy is not Saddam or al queda it's Arnett, Sam El R, Akbar, Rather and the socialist professor calling for millions of US deaths. The tide is turning the leftest are coming out of the closet. They should all be expelled from this great country.
tell me how i'm wrong???????????
tell me how i'm wrong???????????
Out:
You're may be right about the enemy within.
It starts in Washington. If we're not careful, that enemy will erase all the civil liberties we enjoy - seems like fewer every day I regretfully say - in the name of "security"
Their "our way or no way" approach to world politics is really bad.
JC
You're may be right about the enemy within.
It starts in Washington. If we're not careful, that enemy will erase all the civil liberties we enjoy - seems like fewer every day I regretfully say - in the name of "security"
Their "our way or no way" approach to world politics is really bad.
JC
Arnett- provided aid and comfort to the enemy, he should be tried for treason.
Ackbar- executed 2 US soldiers, he should have been tried on the battlefield and shot.
Sam El R- ran a terrorist organization, he should be jailed.
And the professor that hoped for 1 million Us deaths should be deported. If one of those students commits a crime against a person the professor should be jailed after a trial. HOW Am I WRONG, these are all illegal acts and not freedom of speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ackbar- executed 2 US soldiers, he should have been tried on the battlefield and shot.
Sam El R- ran a terrorist organization, he should be jailed.
And the professor that hoped for 1 million Us deaths should be deported. If one of those students commits a crime against a person the professor should be jailed after a trial. HOW Am I WRONG, these are all illegal acts and not freedom of speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is the only "journalist" that has NOT been kicked out of Raghdad..another useful idiot...you libs don't get it pro sadam rallys are so over with.
What the funny part is that most mainstream media has lost all credibility, the more they nay say the more support goes up for the war.They are a joke and everybody knows it.
[This message was edited by Patriot on 03-31-03 at 12:36 PM.]
What the funny part is that most mainstream media has lost all credibility, the more they nay say the more support goes up for the war.They are a joke and everybody knows it.
[This message was edited by Patriot on 03-31-03 at 12:36 PM.]
Out:
I only know what I read the press said about Akbar.
So far, he hasn't been even indited by the USArmy, which seems strange to me.
I only know what I read the press said about Akbar.
So far, he hasn't been even indited by the USArmy, which seems strange to me.
He is a New Zealand citizen, that government would have to try him for violating their laws, if he did so.
Arnett: "U.S. war plan has failed because of Iraqi resistance. Now they are trying to write another war plan. Clearly, the American war planners misjudged the determination of the Iraqi forces."
Treason consists of consciously aiding enemies; while the current U.S. administration would certainly like to outlaw free speech and other constitutional protections, so far they haven't managed it and so Americans (and New Zealanders) remain free to disagree with their government's war policy. Expressing an opinion does not constitute an act of sabotage, as currently defined. No doubt big brother is working hard to change all of that.
Arnett: "U.S. war plan has failed because of Iraqi resistance. Now they are trying to write another war plan. Clearly, the American war planners misjudged the determination of the Iraqi forces."
Treason consists of consciously aiding enemies; while the current U.S. administration would certainly like to outlaw free speech and other constitutional protections, so far they haven't managed it and so Americans (and New Zealanders) remain free to disagree with their government's war policy. Expressing an opinion does not constitute an act of sabotage, as currently defined. No doubt big brother is working hard to change all of that.
Skyweasel
Maybe Arnett should have said.. The initial US war plan has failed...
That's the only thing he said that wasn't accurate.
Bushie and Dumsfeld assured all the Iraquis would just lay down and it would be easy to get to Baghdad, where the insiders would wack Saddam.
So far, that just hasn't happened.
Arnett is not military, he's (was) working for the free press, and entitled to express his opinions. He didn't provide any logistical support or otherwise attempt to dissuade US forces from fighting.
So, I don't see a case for the aid or comfort argument being made.
Maybe Arnett should have said.. The initial US war plan has failed...
That's the only thing he said that wasn't accurate.
Bushie and Dumsfeld assured all the Iraquis would just lay down and it would be easy to get to Baghdad, where the insiders would wack Saddam.
So far, that just hasn't happened.
Arnett is not military, he's (was) working for the free press, and entitled to express his opinions. He didn't provide any logistical support or otherwise attempt to dissuade US forces from fighting.
So, I don't see a case for the aid or comfort argument being made.
