MLB President Refutes Rose Reinstatement Report
Online Story Called 'Unfortunate'
POSTED: 12:22 p.m. EDT August 12, 2003
CINCINNATI -- A high-ranking Major League Baseball official refuted an Internet report Tuesday that all-time hit king Pete Rose would be reinstated.
"The story that appeared on the Baseball Prospectus Web site (Tuesday) regarding the return of Pete Rose to baseball in 2004 and the alleged written agreement that had been reached by Rose and Commissioner (Bud) Selig is unsubstantiated and totally unfounded," MLB President and Chief Operating Officer Bob DuPuy said in a statement. "The report is wholly inaccurate."
DuPuy also said that his statement just reiterates Rose's continued ban, but he acknowledged that the status of the former Reds great still remains under consideration.
"As has been reported many times by (Selig) and as recently as one week ago, Commissioner Selig and Mr. Rose have met regarding his pending application for reinstatement, which originally was filed in 1997," DuPuy said. "The Commissioner has not made a decision, and no agreement with Mr. Rose has been reached or signed. When a decision is made, it will be reported through the appropriate channels. Any unnamed source to the contrary or any report suggesting otherwise is both unfortunate and journalistically irresponsible."
Online Story Called 'Unfortunate'
POSTED: 12:22 p.m. EDT August 12, 2003
CINCINNATI -- A high-ranking Major League Baseball official refuted an Internet report Tuesday that all-time hit king Pete Rose would be reinstated.
"The story that appeared on the Baseball Prospectus Web site (Tuesday) regarding the return of Pete Rose to baseball in 2004 and the alleged written agreement that had been reached by Rose and Commissioner (Bud) Selig is unsubstantiated and totally unfounded," MLB President and Chief Operating Officer Bob DuPuy said in a statement. "The report is wholly inaccurate."
DuPuy also said that his statement just reiterates Rose's continued ban, but he acknowledged that the status of the former Reds great still remains under consideration.
"As has been reported many times by (Selig) and as recently as one week ago, Commissioner Selig and Mr. Rose have met regarding his pending application for reinstatement, which originally was filed in 1997," DuPuy said. "The Commissioner has not made a decision, and no agreement with Mr. Rose has been reached or signed. When a decision is made, it will be reported through the appropriate channels. Any unnamed source to the contrary or any report suggesting otherwise is both unfortunate and journalistically irresponsible."
Pete Rose belongs in baseball..During the time that Pete Rose was going through these allegations people in the know all knew the truth..He was a fierce competitor, and on the field stood for everything that was right about the game..We all make mistakes..In our country we enjoy this grey area we freely call rehabilitation..He has paid his price..
http://www.wcpo.com/sports/baseball...ommittee-would-take-hall-of-fame-vote-in-2016
[h=1]Pete Rose: Rob Manfred willing, new committee would take Hall of Fame vote in 2016[/h][h=2]Getting into Cooperstown wouldn't be quick or easy[/h]
<address class="byline">Greg Noble</address>7:12 AM, Feb 6, 2015
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CINCINNATI – If new Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred makes Pete Rose eligible for the Hall of Fame, the banned Hit King still would have to wait until 2016 to get on the ballot and at least to 2017 to be inducted.
And there's no guarantee that the veterans committee designated to vote on Rose would let him in.
If Rose failed to win enough votes in 2016, he would have to wait three more years - until 2019 - to get on the ballot again.
But Manfred's announcement that he expects to make a decision on Rose set off speculation about whether the new commissioner would be more willing to pardon Rose's gambling sins after 25 years than Bud Selig, who retired last month.
And it must have made Rose think there may be a chance of being inducted in Cooperstown before he dies after all.
<figure class="full">
<figcaption>Rob Manfred. (Photo by Patrick McDermott/Getty Images)
</figcaption></figure> Reinstatement, Rose said a year ago, "ain't going to help me a damn bit if I'm dead."
When asked about Rose on ESPN’s “Mike and Mike” radio show, Manfred said Thursday:
“I have heard from [Rose’s] lawyer, and I do anticipate having a conversation about that. I’ve been very careful not to say anything about the merits of it because ultimately I’m going to have to make a decision there. But it’s a conversation I’m willing to have.”
It's interesting that Manfred didn't specifically mention reinstating Rose, because it raises another possibility – making Rose eligible for the Hall of Fame without reinstating him.
The new commissioner was Selig's right-hand man for 15 years, so he knows there is great opposition in baseball to letting Rose back in the game. Some in the anti-Rose camp especially don't want him working with players in any capacity.
If Manfred is inclined to take any action in Rose's favor, he might be more comfortable in persuading the Hall of Fame board to drop the so-called "Pete Rose Rule" that makes anybody on the permanently ineligible list also ineligible for the Hall.
The board adopted that rule in 1991 – 18 months after Rose was banned for life by Commissioner Bart Giamatti for gambling on the Reds on Aug. 24, 1989. The board acted at the urging of then commissioner Fay Vincent, who privately blamed Rose for Giamatti's fatal heart attack eight days after Giamatti banned Rose.
Giamatti had said Rose's refusals to meet with him, his persistent gambling denials and Rose's court battles with baseball that summer led to his own "private agony." It didn't seem to matter to Vincent, Giamatti's deputy and friend, that the 51-year-old Giamatti was overweight and a chain smoker.
So on Feb. 4, 1991, nine months before Hall of Fame ballots with Rose's name on them would have been mailed to baseball writers, the Hall of Fame board voted 12-0 (with four abstentions) to bar anybody on the banned list from the ballot.
Without the evidence baseball investigator John Dowd gathered on Rose that led to Giamatti's ban, Hall of Fame voters (baseball writers with 10 years on the beat) would have elected Rose in a landslide in his first year of eligibility in 1991 and he would have been inducted in Cooperstown in 1992.
Should Rose become eligible now or in the future, the Hall of Fame has determined that Rose's name would go to the Expansion Era committee for a vote. That's what Brad Horn, Hall of Fame vice president, told WCPO.
The Expansion Era committee (which considers candidates from 1973 to present) doesn't vote again until 2016 because it's in a three-year rotation with two other committees, the Golden Era (1947-1972) and Pre-Integration Era (1876-1946).
The three committees were spinoffs from the Veterans Committee, which the Hall of Fame established to vote for players the writers left out, as well as for managers, umpires and executives. The tri-committee system went into effect in 2010.
Players who cross eras are assigned to the one in which "their greatest contributions to the game were realized."
Rose played 14 years in the Expansion Era and 10 years in the Golden Era, and most of his career highlights happened in his later years.
The writers won't vote on Rose because the rules say players have a maximum of 10 years of eligibility on the writers ballot following a five-year waiting period after they retire. Players used to have up to 15 years on the ballot until the rules were changed last summer. Rose's eligibility clock stopped in 2006.
Who votes on Rose would be critical to his chances for election.
The Era committees consist of 16 members - "media, historians, Hall of Fame members and executives within the game," Horn said.
Rose would need 12 votes (75 percent) for election, and that probably would be hard to get. (The Golden Era Committee voting last December didn't elect any of the 10 candidates). But it wouldn't be harder than getting 412 baseball
writers to vote for him. That's how many were needed for election on the last writers' ballot.
Horn said committee members are selected each year after the World Series, so there's no telling now who would vote in 2016. Rose's teammates Johnny Bench and Tony Perez were on the committee when it last voted in 2013.
Public opinion seems to be increasingly pro-Rose, for as much as website polls and comments are truly reflective. That only matters, though, if baseball wants to cater to fans in the Rose case.
Theoretically, the Hall of Fame could throw up another roadblock to Rose. The new rules also established a screening board to approve the era ballots. Last year, the 11-member Historical Overview Committee consisted entirely of present or former baseball writers.
But it's hard to imagine that the Hall of Fame would let an overview committee block a vote if Rose gets eligible to be on the ballot.
Somebody would just change the rules again.
It's hard to get a read on Manfred's intentions because he hasn't worked in the baseball spotlight and baseball writers, broadcasters and insiders don't have a "book" or scouting report on him yet.
Suffice it to say Rose probably stands a better chance with Manfred than he did with Selig.
Rose said he met with Selig in 2003 and thought that would lead to his reinstatement. For 14 years after he was banished, Rose publicly denied betting on baseball. Later, Rose said he finally admitted it to Selig when they met in Selig's office in Milwaukee.
Joe Morgan and another former Rose teammate and Hall of Famer, Mike Schmidt, arranged the meeting.
"It was a successful meeting, I thought," Rose said later. "Mike Schmidt was at the meeting with Bud and I thought I was going to be reinstated."
Rose said he told Selig that his new book, "My Prison Without Bars," was coming out in January 2004 and that he was going to admit gambling on baseball and the Reds in the book.
But the book backfired.
For one thing, a lot of Rose supporters turned against him, feeling duped and betrayed.
For another, the early January release date overshadowed the Hall of Fame election of Paul Molitor and Dennis Eckersley.
Selig and Baseball were mad about that, and it is said that Selig never met with Rose again.
Selig did clear the way for Rose to participate in All-Star Game festivities here in July. Selig also allowed Rose to join in the 25th anniversary celebration of his record-breaking hit in 2010 and the Reds' Great Eight reunion in 2013.
When Rose talked to WCPO last year, the Hit King seemed more interested in getting on the Hall of Fame ballot than being reinstated and getting another baseball job, mainly owing to his age (73).
"I guess it doesn't bother me as much now. I'll tell you why. I used to worry about it when I was in my 60s, early 60s. If I got reinstated, I could manage a baseball team," Rose said.
"I'm still mind-wise youthful enough to manage a baseball team, but there aren't many 70-year-old guys getting jobs in major-league baseball today. There is in other sports. So I don't worry about being reinstated so much because I've got a good gig going on and I'm doing well."
Rose told CNN he was making more than $1 million a year signing autographs – mainly at a Las Vegas casino. He couldn't earn close to that as a hitting instructor or coach, so why take a baseball job?
And Rose might rather not be reinstated if the commissioner were to stipulate that he can't go to casinos or try to limit his autograph earnings. One of the reasons Rose went to prison in 1990 is he didn't declare a lot of his income from autograph and memorabilia sales.
"I don’t worry about that because I'm not in control of that," Rose told WCPO.
"I'd be the happiest guy in the world if I ever went to the Hall of Fame, but I'm not going to go to bed tonight and pray that I'll go into the Hall of Fame.
"I'm going to go to bed tonight and pray that I get up in the morning."
[h=1]Pete Rose: Rob Manfred willing, new committee would take Hall of Fame vote in 2016[/h][h=2]Getting into Cooperstown wouldn't be quick or easy[/h]
<address class="byline">Greg Noble</address>7:12 AM, Feb 6, 2015
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CINCINNATI – If new Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred makes Pete Rose eligible for the Hall of Fame, the banned Hit King still would have to wait until 2016 to get on the ballot and at least to 2017 to be inducted.
And there's no guarantee that the veterans committee designated to vote on Rose would let him in.
If Rose failed to win enough votes in 2016, he would have to wait three more years - until 2019 - to get on the ballot again.
But Manfred's announcement that he expects to make a decision on Rose set off speculation about whether the new commissioner would be more willing to pardon Rose's gambling sins after 25 years than Bud Selig, who retired last month.
And it must have made Rose think there may be a chance of being inducted in Cooperstown before he dies after all.
<figure class="full">
<figcaption>Rob Manfred. (Photo by Patrick McDermott/Getty Images)
</figcaption></figure> Reinstatement, Rose said a year ago, "ain't going to help me a damn bit if I'm dead."
When asked about Rose on ESPN’s “Mike and Mike” radio show, Manfred said Thursday:
“I have heard from [Rose’s] lawyer, and I do anticipate having a conversation about that. I’ve been very careful not to say anything about the merits of it because ultimately I’m going to have to make a decision there. But it’s a conversation I’m willing to have.”
It's interesting that Manfred didn't specifically mention reinstating Rose, because it raises another possibility – making Rose eligible for the Hall of Fame without reinstating him.
The new commissioner was Selig's right-hand man for 15 years, so he knows there is great opposition in baseball to letting Rose back in the game. Some in the anti-Rose camp especially don't want him working with players in any capacity.
If Manfred is inclined to take any action in Rose's favor, he might be more comfortable in persuading the Hall of Fame board to drop the so-called "Pete Rose Rule" that makes anybody on the permanently ineligible list also ineligible for the Hall.
The board adopted that rule in 1991 – 18 months after Rose was banned for life by Commissioner Bart Giamatti for gambling on the Reds on Aug. 24, 1989. The board acted at the urging of then commissioner Fay Vincent, who privately blamed Rose for Giamatti's fatal heart attack eight days after Giamatti banned Rose.
Giamatti had said Rose's refusals to meet with him, his persistent gambling denials and Rose's court battles with baseball that summer led to his own "private agony." It didn't seem to matter to Vincent, Giamatti's deputy and friend, that the 51-year-old Giamatti was overweight and a chain smoker.
So on Feb. 4, 1991, nine months before Hall of Fame ballots with Rose's name on them would have been mailed to baseball writers, the Hall of Fame board voted 12-0 (with four abstentions) to bar anybody on the banned list from the ballot.
Without the evidence baseball investigator John Dowd gathered on Rose that led to Giamatti's ban, Hall of Fame voters (baseball writers with 10 years on the beat) would have elected Rose in a landslide in his first year of eligibility in 1991 and he would have been inducted in Cooperstown in 1992.
Should Rose become eligible now or in the future, the Hall of Fame has determined that Rose's name would go to the Expansion Era committee for a vote. That's what Brad Horn, Hall of Fame vice president, told WCPO.
The Expansion Era committee (which considers candidates from 1973 to present) doesn't vote again until 2016 because it's in a three-year rotation with two other committees, the Golden Era (1947-1972) and Pre-Integration Era (1876-1946).
The three committees were spinoffs from the Veterans Committee, which the Hall of Fame established to vote for players the writers left out, as well as for managers, umpires and executives. The tri-committee system went into effect in 2010.
Players who cross eras are assigned to the one in which "their greatest contributions to the game were realized."
Rose played 14 years in the Expansion Era and 10 years in the Golden Era, and most of his career highlights happened in his later years.
The writers won't vote on Rose because the rules say players have a maximum of 10 years of eligibility on the writers ballot following a five-year waiting period after they retire. Players used to have up to 15 years on the ballot until the rules were changed last summer. Rose's eligibility clock stopped in 2006.
Who votes on Rose would be critical to his chances for election.
The Era committees consist of 16 members - "media, historians, Hall of Fame members and executives within the game," Horn said.
Rose would need 12 votes (75 percent) for election, and that probably would be hard to get. (The Golden Era Committee voting last December didn't elect any of the 10 candidates). But it wouldn't be harder than getting 412 baseball
writers to vote for him. That's how many were needed for election on the last writers' ballot.
Horn said committee members are selected each year after the World Series, so there's no telling now who would vote in 2016. Rose's teammates Johnny Bench and Tony Perez were on the committee when it last voted in 2013.
Public opinion seems to be increasingly pro-Rose, for as much as website polls and comments are truly reflective. That only matters, though, if baseball wants to cater to fans in the Rose case.
Theoretically, the Hall of Fame could throw up another roadblock to Rose. The new rules also established a screening board to approve the era ballots. Last year, the 11-member Historical Overview Committee consisted entirely of present or former baseball writers.
But it's hard to imagine that the Hall of Fame would let an overview committee block a vote if Rose gets eligible to be on the ballot.
Somebody would just change the rules again.
It's hard to get a read on Manfred's intentions because he hasn't worked in the baseball spotlight and baseball writers, broadcasters and insiders don't have a "book" or scouting report on him yet.
Suffice it to say Rose probably stands a better chance with Manfred than he did with Selig.
Rose said he met with Selig in 2003 and thought that would lead to his reinstatement. For 14 years after he was banished, Rose publicly denied betting on baseball. Later, Rose said he finally admitted it to Selig when they met in Selig's office in Milwaukee.
Joe Morgan and another former Rose teammate and Hall of Famer, Mike Schmidt, arranged the meeting.
"It was a successful meeting, I thought," Rose said later. "Mike Schmidt was at the meeting with Bud and I thought I was going to be reinstated."
Rose said he told Selig that his new book, "My Prison Without Bars," was coming out in January 2004 and that he was going to admit gambling on baseball and the Reds in the book.
But the book backfired.
For one thing, a lot of Rose supporters turned against him, feeling duped and betrayed.
For another, the early January release date overshadowed the Hall of Fame election of Paul Molitor and Dennis Eckersley.
Selig and Baseball were mad about that, and it is said that Selig never met with Rose again.
Selig did clear the way for Rose to participate in All-Star Game festivities here in July. Selig also allowed Rose to join in the 25th anniversary celebration of his record-breaking hit in 2010 and the Reds' Great Eight reunion in 2013.
When Rose talked to WCPO last year, the Hit King seemed more interested in getting on the Hall of Fame ballot than being reinstated and getting another baseball job, mainly owing to his age (73).
"I guess it doesn't bother me as much now. I'll tell you why. I used to worry about it when I was in my 60s, early 60s. If I got reinstated, I could manage a baseball team," Rose said.
"I'm still mind-wise youthful enough to manage a baseball team, but there aren't many 70-year-old guys getting jobs in major-league baseball today. There is in other sports. So I don't worry about being reinstated so much because I've got a good gig going on and I'm doing well."
Rose told CNN he was making more than $1 million a year signing autographs – mainly at a Las Vegas casino. He couldn't earn close to that as a hitting instructor or coach, so why take a baseball job?
And Rose might rather not be reinstated if the commissioner were to stipulate that he can't go to casinos or try to limit his autograph earnings. One of the reasons Rose went to prison in 1990 is he didn't declare a lot of his income from autograph and memorabilia sales.
"I don’t worry about that because I'm not in control of that," Rose told WCPO.
"I'd be the happiest guy in the world if I ever went to the Hall of Fame, but I'm not going to go to bed tonight and pray that I'll go into the Hall of Fame.
"I'm going to go to bed tonight and pray that I get up in the morning."
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