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Pelosi's Claims Of Powerlessness

Posted 04/24/2009 07:22 PM ET

Oversight: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's contention that she and other Democrats were not told about waterboarding terrorists is dubious enough. Her claim that they could do nothing anyway is blatantly false.
The highest-ranking member of the House of Representatives says that back during the first term of President George W. Bush, when the 9/11 terror attacks were still fresh in the minds of Americans, she and other key Democrats briefed by the CIA "were not told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation techniques were used."
That contradicts the statements of others who where there, such as former House Intelligence Committee chairman and CIA director Porter Goss, plus intelligence officials interviewed on the subject going back to 2007.
But Speaker Pelosi, who was the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee in 2002, further claimed that there was nothing she and her fellow Democrats in Congress could have done about it. "They don't come in to consult," the speaker said last week. "They come in to notify ... you can't change what they're doing."
Funny that Rep. Jane Harman, the California Democrat who succeeded Pelosi as ranking member of the intelligence panel, and so was included in CIA briefings, didn't feel that her hands were tied. She sent the CIA a classified letter in February 2003 objecting to the interrogations.
In fact, Congress' oversight powers regarding the CIA have for years gone beyond just sending private hate mail. L. Britt Snider, who served as Bill Clinton's inspector general of the CIA, staff director of the 9/11 Congressional Inquiry and investigator on the Senate committee that probed Nixon-administration intelligence abuses, calls the CIA "perhaps the most scrutinized agency in the executive branch."
Snider's 2008 book, "The Agency & The Hill: CIA's Relationship With Congress, 1946-2004," notes that since 1986, under the law "no funds could be spent for any intelligence activity for which Congress had denied funding."
To illustrate how swiftly Congress can jump into action when it discovers something the CIA is doing that it doesn't like, consider what happened after the leaders of the two intelligence committees and other congressional leaders were briefed at the White House on the Iran arms-for-hostages initiative in mid-November 1986.
"By the end of the year," Snider says, "no fewer than seven investigations had been launched of what had become known as the Iran-Contra affair." Some 300,000 documents were perused, more than 500 witnesses interviewed and 40 days of congressional hearings conducted.


In 1989, congressional oversight was further enhanced by the establishment of the office of CIA inspector general, giving "the committees a place they could go within the Agency to ask for oversight inquiries that exceeded the committees' own capabilities," as Snider describes it. The 1992 Intelligence Organization Act went further again, specifying the CIA director's responsibility to provide intelligence to Congress that is, as the law states, "timely, objective, independent of political considerations, and based upon all sources available to the intelligence community."
In 1993, after hearing testimony accusing the CIA of misconduct in Guatemala, both the Senate and House panels investigated, as did the CIA inspector general, who followed the committees' requests and went all the way back to 1984 in examining agency knowledge of human rights abuses by its clandestine sources in Guatemala.
Those investigations led to major changes, including the CIA's setting up "on its own initiative, a systematic notification process to protect against another failure to notify Congress of significant information concerning its operations," as Snider writes.
Former CIA director of congressional affairs John Moseman, in describing the new process, said of Congress: "They couldn't come back to us anymore when something went wrong and claim they'd never been told about it. If they had a problem with something, then it was up to them to let us know about it."
It was up to Nancy Pelosi, Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., former Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., and the other Democrats briefed by the CIA to let be known their objections to enhanced interrogations.
They didn't because back then 9/11 still stung. As Goss remembers of the briefings detailing waterboarding and other tough methods, "the reaction in the room was not just approval, but encouragement." And as two officials present at such briefings told the Washington Post in 2007, at least two lawmakers in the room actually called on the CIA to push harder.
The speaker and her fellow top liberal Democrats were not powerless, as she now claims. But they were, and remain, gutless.
 

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Everyone knew, everyone approved. The current administration needs to give it a rest.
 

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So nice to see someone put the media in their place. Of course, I guess it's OK when terrorists cut off an American's head. I'm sure most American would rather be dignified in their treatment of terrorists even if it means another 911. People like this newscaster amaze me and scare me with their thought process.

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And more flaming of the fire….

By Andrew Gray

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Pentagon said on Friday it will release hundreds of photographs from investigations into prisoner abuse but insisted they did not reveal a policy of mistreatment.

The Obama administration's commitment to release the pictures by May 28 could fan the flames of a political firestorm over the treatment of terrorism suspects and other detainees during George W. Bush's presidency.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates voiced concern this week that publicizing details of U.S. interrogation practices and photographs of prisoner treatment could trigger a backlash against U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The American Civil Liberties Union has spent years suing the government for the release of the pictures, which came from military investigations. The group said they showed prisoner abuse went far beyond well-known cases in Iraq and elsewhere.

"These photographs provide visual proof that prisoner abuse by U.S. personnel was not aberrational but widespread," said Amrit Singh, an ACLU lawyer.

Are we going to see any headless horsemen? ^<<^
 

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On November 29, 2007, Sen. McCain, while campaigning in St. Petersburg, Florida, said, "Following World War II war crime trials were convened. The Japanese were tried and convicted and hung for war crimes committed against American POWs. Among those charges for which they were convicted was waterboarding."
 

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A good explanation of waterboarding may be found here:

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On November 29, 2007, Sen. McCain, while campaigning in St. Petersburg, Florida, said, "Following World War II war crime trials were convened. The Japanese were tried and convicted and hung for war crimes committed against American POWs. Among those charges for which they were convicted was waterboarding."

Tough break for the Japanese
 

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It's not fair to start a thread with this title and not include the details of her drowning!
 

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On November 29, 2007, Sen. McCain, while campaigning in St. Petersburg, Florida, said, "Following World War II war crime trials were convened. The Japanese were tried and convicted and hung for war crimes committed against American POWs. Among those charges for which they were convicted was waterboarding."

I also understand that we convicted some of our guys for using the tecnique in Vietnam.

Reagan condemned its use when he was CIC.
 

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Not hard to justify at all. If means saving lives so be it.

Amen! So interesting for this to come out now, but I assure you no one would have had a problem with any of this after 911 (just look at the vote to go to Iraq and it'll tell you all you need to know...Democrat and Republican). I don't give a rat's ass how many terrorists we waterboard (call it torture if you want...that's fine by me). Since when should we be so polite to terrorists who are trying to kill Americans?!! I suspect most people that lost one of their love ones at the World Trade Center won't have any sympathy whatsoever for these terrorists or this administration's viewpoints on the matter. Let's just keep shaking hands with the devil until we get attacked again. Bottom line is Pelosi and others knew about and did nothing about it. If they had a problem with it, they should have stopped it at the time. But their lies in denying it are ridiculous.
 

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BFL, First torture must be defined. Simulating drowning and dismemberment are not in the same ball park. If after information was obtained the enemy was shot I could see why some people would become upset. Our society tortures millions of citizens every day by confining them to an 8 by 8 cell and isolating them from human interaction. Those that sit on death row for 20 years waiting to die are not physically tortured but mentally they are in a living hell. The world is a cruel place and those who think we can all just hold hands and make nice are in denial.
 

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Not hard to justify at all. If means saving lives so be it.

It didn't work for the Japanese...still got H-Bombed Twice.

The point here is the US agreed long ago it was torture and illegal yet they chose to do it.
 

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It didn't work for the Japanese...still got H-Bombed Twice.

The point here is the US agreed long ago it was torture and illegal yet they chose to do it.

In my option the end justifies the means and they have my blessing. :103631605
 

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In my option the end justifies the means and they have my blessing. :103631605

That's a rather glib response. What if the ends are the US out of the middle east and the means are beheading civilians? Justified?
 

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It didn't work for the Japanese...still got H-Bombed Twice.

The point here is the US agreed long ago it was torture and illegal yet they chose to do it.

Actually, I think the point is that the very people that want the people that administered these techniques to be punished are the same people that knew about it and did nothing.
 

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I wonder what the thousands of people that work in the Liberty Tower are thinking now. This building is the largest on the West Coast and presumably is filled with Los Angeles liberals.

Now that it has been revealed that waterboarding prevented a suicide attack on that that tower and saved all their lives, will they change their minds about enhanced interrogations?
 

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That's a rather glib response. What if the ends are the US out of the middle east and the means are beheading civilians? Justified?

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