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A Few Thoughts On Pearl Harbor Day-



First of all wondering if there's a sense of collective guilt here for using such a hellish weapon like the A-Bomb (twice) on innocent Jap civilian family men women infants and children? I know - revenge is a meal best served cold- but this?
My wrath for the Jap soldier knows no bounds. They deserved it. But killing civilians like you and I? Dont we make a big deal out of that now- calling it terrorism?. If terrorism is OK during War fine- but dont call it honorable- dont call mass slaughter of a countries civilians a valiant victory. Its murder. Civilians are innocent. We didnt have to do that to them.
The brainwashing went like this.We had to put to bomb over 100000 innocent human beings with the A-Bomb because if we didnt and we had to invade the mainland we would have lost 500000- a half a million men would have most certainly died.
So we were actually saving lives by taking 100000 innocent ones? Brilliant!
Thats the mantra. Many still believe it even today- even after we know much more of the real story then we ever wanted to.
Looking back- the dropping of the Bomb was a first pre-emptive attack on a large group of people for the "greater good" - a story that keeps us looking at it as a job that needed doing- instead of a delibrate crime against humanity.
Some believe that 9/11 was performed with the same mantra.
Kill a few- save the many.
Whether you want to believe it or not- the Japs had no such plans for killing half a million of us. They had already tried to surrender through official channels but were rebuffed multiple times. They were tired and starving like all countries that had nothing left. The mantra refusing the surrender offer is they wanted conditions that were unacceptable. Huh?Unconditional or nothing was the word. The Japs wanted the emperor to stay to keep the people calm when the Allies came. FDR refused to accede to that request. So what happens? We drop the Bomb. Then "we allow the emperor to stay and keep the people calm when the Allies come in to help rebuild".
So why did we use that as an excuse to refuse their surrender since we ended up doing that anyway? Simple. FDR followed the orders given to him by his money masters who had made him POTUS. Dont let them surrender. Destroy them - use the bomb. So he did.
The Jap people believed their Emperor would never steer them wrong -he did- but the "sneak attack" guilt is owned by both sides. That FDR was suprised has been pretty well debunked by now. So some of the the blood of 2000 Americans is on his hands as well.
We had been placing embargos on Japans access to oil for some time and daring them to do something about it. FDR knew of the attack plan long before it happened and had been ordered to move the indespensible aircraft carriers and most expensive pieces for this gigantic chess game away from harm.
So Pearl Harbor got the constitutionally correct non-interventionist attitude of the American people (as the founders had counseled) thrown out and into a war against Japan AND Germany at the same time we went. The Rothschilds and the Jesuits meanwhile are making billions of dollars lending the money to each of the countries involved to make the planes tanks ships bombs rifles bullets and c-rations pay Rosie the riveter etc while all the the human military resouces of each country involved died for them. War isnt about saving anybody- its about ensuring that large amounts of people die in order to make money. They made billions of dollars over the noise of the extinction of millions of people to a world war. You think they didnt want this? They loved this- hence the term- the war lovers. That is what they are. Now- at the end- nothing had changed. More wars are being planned- there was never a chance we fought for peace. War is necessary for the Elite conspiracy to survive. The depopulation alone made it a good thing for their long term interests. Now these same powers have since coalesced into the NWO. The necessary wars are still being fought in Iraq and Afganistan and elsewhere.
Now another war-an economic war- is on. A Financial Bomb has been dropped by the Power Elites on Americans. Believe it. With you in their sights- you are a slave to them financially now with your mortages and your 401K's and your credit card debt and your taxation without representation and your dependence on food supply prices and gasoline powered cars so they can wage war on you on a much more personal level over a longer period of time until you surrender- and surrender you have- now you are of no use to them anymore- useles eaters all now is the Middle Class. Wake up before you find yourselves in another soup line because your house is gone and you are homeless like thousands of Americans already are.
You kooks are never right is your typical response.
You still believe that? Ive only been saying they are going to implode the economy and crash the stock market for 2-3 years now. You still want to believe Im wrong?
NAFTA=NAU= delibrate collapse of the economy by any means necessary. I connected the dots a long tome ago and now the picture is painting itself by the numbers.
How much more before you admit youve been suckered your whole life?
Do feel anything about these deceptions? Repeated in a more malevolent fashion by Bush exactly 60 years later and one just recently pulled on you by the FED ?
When do you say -enough?

How about in 60 days when they do their Codex Alimentarius on you - basically they declare it a crime to purchase VITAMIN SUPPLEMENTS you need anywhere - even online- because the stores will be closed by decree of Big Pharma so you will have to by their drugs instead od vitamins and die sooner- not later?

Anyway- heres to Pearl Harbor and the art of deception...:cripwalk:


 

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Sure shut the Japs up pretty fuckin quick didnt it?

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In a war when all the cards are on the table your gonna do whatever it takes to win. In the mean while you can act all high and mighty and look down on others that do that but when your back is against the wall all that goes right out the window.
 

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Pubguy, one warning, anymore name calling like that and it's vacation time. Please post civilly or not at all.


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Nice talk. Ok thats it- hey does Pubguy=public toilet-mouth guy? Thats what you sound like.

Are you really just a sh*t talkin obsessed little punk secretly hoping to fill your sausage wallet with a big smelly one?

Seems like thats the case...

If this is the level you want to get on in a political discourse forum and get away with it then I think you really are dreaming.

From my perspective you seem to be the equivalent of a zero input- zero contribution guy around here- unless you care to give me one example of a productive thread youve started that generated any real debate? Maybe you cant- maybe youre the just definition of wasted bandwith.

So I wouldnt try standing on my feet and argue youre just learning to dance much longer if I were you. I dont think the MODS will buy that BS - since thats the 2nd or 3rd time Ive seen you addressing me like that.

A word to the wise is usually sufficient. If you refuse to be civil there will be consequences. Im in a generous mood - so consider this a final warning before you are banned and forever remembered by me as "Pubgirl."

One more peep and thats it- get the message?

Play by the rules of this forum. No cheating- you fight with your wits around here like everybody else if you want respect- cause toilet queens living off cheap shots and scumbag lines last about two seconds these days before they are shown the door.

BTW- I consider us even now- but Im not playing this stupid name game with you again.

Smarten up fast or find yourself kicked out faster....:finger:






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Im in the foxhole too - and Im saying its not a high and mighty stance- Im calling it overkill straight up. The civilian population didnt have you cornered. Their military were finished as an enemy- unless kamikaze tactics are what you use when youre winning.

They are trying to surrender here. There is no need for what what they did to those innocent civilians.

Unless you can tell me what kind of powerful offensive threat they still were we had no worries about winning I assure you.

If a death row guy gets a phone call from the governor while he strapped in do you still execute him because the preparations have already been made? I think that was your only obstacle. All that secret preparation would have been wasted. Better to go ahead and use it on them anyway huh? I nominate you for the RX "humanitarian post of the year award.":nohead:


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Now that the war has been won...the pacifists and anti-war hippies can do their thing.
 

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Nice talk. Ok thats it- hey does Pubguy=public toilet-mouth guy? Thats what you sound like.

Are you really just a sh*t talkin obsessed little punk secretly hoping to fill your sausage wallet with a big smelly one?

Seems like thats the case...

If this is the level you want to get on in a political discourse forum and get away with it then I think you really are dreaming.

From my perspective you seem to be the equivalent of a zero input- zero contribution guy around here- unless you care to give me one example of a productive thread youve started that generated any real debate? Maybe you cant- maybe youre the just definition of wasted bandwith.

So I wouldnt try standing on my feet and argue youre just learning to dance much longer if I were you. I dont think the MODS will buy that BS - since thats the 2nd or 3rd time Ive seen you addressing me like that.

A word to the wise is usually sufficient. If you refuse to be civil there will be consequences. Im in a generous mood - so consider this a final warning before you are banned and forever remembered by me as "Pubgirl."

One more peep and thats it- get the message?

Play by the rules of this forum. No cheating- you fight with your wits around here like everybody else if you want respect- cause toilet queens living off cheap shots and scumbag lines last about two seconds these days before they are shown the door.

BTW- I consider us even now- but Im not playing this stupid name game with you again.

Smarten up fast or find yourself kicked out faster....:finger:






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good post man, unfortunatley your arguments carry a lot of weight....its just sad to read all of this shit about your own government...anyone who hasnt woken up by now is ignorant in my opinion...The US is now the worlds largest debtor, when 50 years ago we were the largest creditor...That kinda shit doesnt happen on accident, enough said...Our debt is now upwards of 11 trillion dollars, when less than a year ago we were half that...we have become a facist nation in the last 6 monthes..next is military coup, ya'll better wake the F up
 

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Pub Guy- apology accepted - and stay out of the rubber room. Your too old for that arent you- though there IS some funny shit to be found down there sometimes.




Eek- ya will stretch out and enjoy the roomservive and get the whole 60's thing going again "Make love -not war". well have a couple up and enjoy a
smoke and look over the estate we now own. If its the old spirit (its still to early to tell) Ill let you know cause its important to do a reset now to get ready for whats coming. Word on the street is the Blues are gonna be rudely awakened but lets make merry now while we have the chance...thats the groupthink gameplan as far as I can infer...




Dave- Everytime I think I come in with good "stuff" you seem to show up with congrats. THX. Its not something you want to dwell on any more than once a year on DEC 7th. I think of how it started. I think about how it ended. What I know now is that classifying WWII as being "The Good War" as the brainwashing MSM constantly reminds us- is a myth.
 

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Toward the end of the war millions of innocent civilians had been killed in the name of war. The bombings of London and the bombings of Dresden to name a few. This made people less sensitive to what it took to "supposedly" win the war. If innocent German and English people could be killed to win a war why not kill innocent Japanese people? The cultists that occupy leadership offices don't care about innocent people.

What your post doesn't mention is that some speculate that Truman used the bombs to show Russia that the US wasn't afraid to use nuclear weapons in warfare.

Your post also doesn't mention 67 Japanese cities that were fire bombed before atomic weapons were used. You see, it doesn't matter if people are killed with conventional bombing or with nuclear bombing. Here is a list along with the percentage of damage done to each city:

Conventional bombing damage to Japanese cities in WWII Japanese city % area destroyed
Yokohama 58%
Tokyo 51
Toyama 99
Nagoya 40
Osaka 35.1
Nishinomiya 11.9
Shimonoseki 37.6
Kure 41.9
Kobe 55.7
Omuta 35.8
Wakayama 50
Kawasaki 36.2
Okayama 68.9
Yawata 21.2
Kagoshima 63.4
Amagasaki 18.9
Sasebo 41.4
Moji 23.3
Miyakonojō 26.5
Nobeoka 25.2
Miyazaki 26.1
Ube 20.7
Saga 44.2
Imabari 63.9
Matsuyama 64
Fukui 86
Tokushima 85.2
Sakai 48.2
Hachioji 65
Kumamoto 31.2
Isesaki 56.7
Takamatsu 67.5
Akashi 50.2
Fukuyama 80.9
Aomori 30
Okazaki 32.2
Ōita 28.2
Hiratsuka 48.4
Tokuyama 48.3
Yokkaichi 33.6
Ujiyamada 41.3
Ōgaki 39.5
Gifu 63.6
Shizuoka 66.1
Himeji 49.4
Fukuoka 24.1
Kōchi 55.2
Shimizu 42
Omura 33.1
Chiba 41
Ichinomiya 56.3
Nara 69.3
Tsu 69.3
Kuwana 75
Toyohashi 61.9
Numazu 42.3
Choshi 44.2
Kofu 78.6
Utsunomiya 43.7
Mito 68.9
Sendai 21.9
Tsuruga 65.1
Nagaoka 64.9
Hitachi 72
Kumagaya 55.1
Hamamatsu 60.3
Maebashi 64.2
 
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We had been placing embargos on Japans access to oil for some time and daring them to do something about it. FDR knew of the attack plan long before it happened and had been ordered to move the indespensible aircraft carriers and most expensive pieces for this gigantic chess game away from harm.
So Pearl Harbor got the constitutionally correct non-interventionist attitude of the American people (as the founders had counseled) thrown out and into a war against Japan AND Germany at the same time we went. The Rothschilds and the Jesuits meanwhile are making billions of dollars lending the money to each of the countries involved to make the planes tanks ships bombs rifles bullets and c-rations pay Rosie the riveter etc while all the the human military resouces of each country involved died for them. War isnt about saving anybody- its about ensuring that large amounts of people die in order to make money. They made billions of dollars over the noise of the extinction of millions of people to a world war. You think they didnt want this? They loved this- hence the term- the war lovers. That is what they are. Now- at the end- nothing had changed. More wars are being planned- there was never a chance we fought for peace. War is necessary for the Elite conspiracy to survive. The depopulation alone made it a good thing for their long term interests. Now these same powers have since coalesced into the NWO. The necessary wars are still being fought in Iraq and Afganistan and elsewhere.
Now another war-an economic war- is on. A Financial Bomb has been dropped by the Power Elites on Americans. Believe it. With you in their sights- you are a slave to them financially now with your mortages and your 401K's and your credit card debt and your taxation without representation and your dependence on food supply prices and gasoline powered cars so they can wage war on you on a much more personal level over a longer period of time until you surrender- and surrender you have- now you are of no use to them anymore- useles eaters all now is the Middle Class. Wake up before you find yourselves in another soup line because your house is gone and you are homeless like thousands of Americans already are.

best kook rant outta u to date IMO :toast:
u ready for WW3 (population decrease) likely on the horizon in 5-10 years or so with GD part duex looming

and so cyclical nature of history carries on

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Over 90% of the bomb damage that Gen Curtis LeMay dropped on the home islands of Japan was conventional ordinance with a heavy dose of fire bombing (napalm). The two atomic bombs while terrible psy op weapons did much less damage than the fire bombings of Toyko in spring and early summer of 1945. Fatman and Littleboy were strategic weapons that forced Hirohito to finally say enough, much to the chagrin of the fight to the death Japanese military command. An 11th hour coup attempt was foiled the night before the historic radio address by Hirohito to the Japanese people whe he told them that it was time to surrender. Until then no ordinary citizen had ever even heard the voice of the to the Japanese emperor/man god. They dare not disobey him because of their cultural brainwashing that the emperor was infailable.

Gen MacArthur's most important decision of his career was to not humiliate the Japanese Emperor by stripping him of his status in the eyes of the Japanese people. A brilliant move that enabled a bloodless surrender and occupation after.

In the end the A bombs saved the Japanese a massive offshore bombing by Nimitiz's fleets and then a land invasion by the Army and Marine Corps that would have cost uncountable casualties on both sides before the home Islands were taken.

The A bombs, however terrible actually saved probably 100s of thousands of lives (maybe a million) between both sides that a conventional invasion would have cost.


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"Gen MacArthur's most important decision of his career was to not humiliate the Japanese Emperor by stripping him of his status in the eyes of the Japanese people. A brilliant move that enabled a bloodless surrender and occupation after."
MacArthur face saving gesture gave the Japs the only thing that they had asked for as a precondition for surrender using the same logic- they knew it would end any ideas of fighting to the last man if the order came from their god- the Emperor Hirohito.
Makes it perfectly obvious that the refusal of FDR to accept these terms was predicated on one strategy. The Bomb was going to be dropped no matter what.
"In the end the A bombs saved the Japanese a massive offshore bombing by Nimitiz's fleets and then a land invasion by the Army and Marine Corps that would have cost uncountable casualties on both sides before the home Islands were taken."
The A bombs, however terrible actually saved probably 100s of thousands of lives (maybe a million) between both sides that a conventional invasion would have cost."
They have rationalized this until it sound like we were being charitable. I dont buy it sorry. The right to play God with 150000 lives (combined 2 bomb death toll) belongs to God alone- if that was the reasoning behind it.
I lean towards the sabre rattling effect of the Bomb to the Russians as QL alludes to- dropping the A-Bomb kick started the biggest and most expensive arms race the world had ever seen- the Cold War.
"In the end the A bombs saved the Japanese a massive offshore bombing by Nimitiz's fleets and then a land invasion by the Army and Marine Corps that would have cost uncountable casualties on both sides before the home Islands were taken.
The A bombs, however terrible actually saved probably 100s of thousands of lives (maybe a million) between both sides that a conventional invasion would have cost."
Yes - but of course you realize that this was in lieu of a Jap REFUSAL to surrender- which was found retrospectively not to be the case. They had not refused to surrender. they had asked to surrender through official channels. They were ignored. To emphasize how badly they wanted this it is now known that the even tried to go through Stalin of all people to get their message across. They were again ignored.
You had a nutcase general like Curtis Lemay who had already decimated Japan with the fire bombing campaign and would later be asking to drop an A-Bomb on Hanoi during the Vietnam War pushing Truman to use the Bomb. The Japanese invasion plan was code-named OPERATION OLYMPIC. It predicted that an amphibious assault of Japan would not achieve the surrender of Japan until 1947. On August 30, 1944, the Joint Planning Staff of the Joint Chiefs of Staff concluded that "it might cost us half a million American lives. So they were of course.adviseing the use of the atomic bomb.
If that is all they had to work with- and a firm resolve by the Japs to "come and get it" then I agree it would have saved countless thousands of lives on both sides and therefore was necessary and even morally just- though I can understand why some people cannot ever entertain the idea of the A-Bomb as a "moral" weapon.
The point is all the estimates were based on Japan not surrendering. The fact is they attempted to surrendered under the same conditions that MacArthur and any logical thinker would conclude was reasonable given the Jap obsession with "saving face" and avoiding humiliation.
If you know this then all this noble talk about saving lives goes down the garbage disposal where it belongs.
It turned out to be the most egregious example of overkill during a war in the history of the world- some called it terrorism and why not - its on civilians- not soldiers- using a WMD of such proportions that we have been trying not to ever consider using it again- rabid armchair neocons excluded of course.
Above all I believe were the interests of the money masters who saw this as a chance to make billions off the willingness of the major powers like UK France USSR and later India and Pakistan and Israel to join the Nuclear Bomb club. The philanthropists like Rockefeller foresaw a chance to make their move. Japan was exhausted after years of war and the Rockefeller Foundation was poised to make key investments in rebuilding science and medical research once the bomb was dropped. A fortune was there to be made. Im sure their influence peddling is what tipped the scales - not the nightmarish moral decision of Truman that resulted in the ultimate acceptance of the need to unleash thie most monstrous weapon ever created on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
One more thing - and heres where the BS meter goes of the charts with all this rationalizing - all estimates of casulties- and this was I repeat again- beased on the lie that Japan hadnt or wouldnt - surrender in the meantime- were based on Jap resistance in the form of fighting men- not women and children.
At the end of the day what you have is shooting wolves from a helicopter and calling it justifiable.
We didnt need to immolate thousands of Jap infants to save the lives of thousands of adult males no matter how you want to spin it.
 

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Total revisionist history. There is no such thing as overkill in a "moral war" IMHO. You mess with the bull, you get the horns.
 

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Pearl harbor and deception? I thought this thread was going to discuss the fact that Roosevelt knew the attack was coming and ordered Kimmel to take measures that would maximize the damage and, thus, the propaganda value of the attack.
 

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WHEN HISTORY IS FINALLY CLEANED UP AND THE WHOLE PICTURE OF WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY INSTEAD OF THE BULLSHIT THEY TEACH YOU IN GRADE SCHOOL THEN REVISIONIST IS NECESSARY. OBVIOUSLY YOU PREFER YOUR HISTORY AS BS. I DO NOT.

There is no such thing as overkill in a "moral war" IMHO.

I AGREE WITH YOU IN THE SENSE THAT IT IS LESS LIKELY TO BE RECOGNIZED AS OVERKILL. THAT DOES NOT HOWEVER EXCULPATE ANYONE FROM ACTUALLY DOING IT. THE A-BOMB BY DEFINITION IS OVERKILL. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OVERKILL EVEN IF IT WAS DROPPED ON THE FIELD OF BATTLE - SAY ON WHATEVER WAS LEFT OF THEIR NAVY. BUT ON CIVILIANS? SECOND BOMB ON NAGASAKI WAS TOTAL OVERKILL NO QUESTION.


You mess with the bull, you get the horns.


TELL THAT TO PAULSON WHEN HE ASKS FOR MORE OF YOUR MONEY FOR BANK CEO BONUSES...:cripwalk:

YEAH- WE ARE LEARNING THAT WALL STREET HISTORY WAS ALWAYS ON THE MARK TOO. NO NEED TO REVISE ANYTHING THERE EITHER...
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I MENTIONED IT- BUT ITS A NON STARTER BECAUSE THESE GUYS WANT THE LIES ABOUT WW2 TO SURVIVE HISTORY WHICH IT HAS NOT.

THE DECEPTION THAT WAS MOST IMPORTANT TO ME WAS THE JAP TRYING TO SURRENDER TO STALIN BECAUSE THEY GOT IGNORED BY THE U.S. AS SOON AS THE BOMB WAS BEING ASSEMBLED. OVERTURES TO STALIN TELL YOU THAT THE JJAPS WERE GOING TO GET THAT BOMB DROPPED ON THEM WHETHER THEY SURRENDERED OR NOT.


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We had been placing embargos on Japans access to oil for some time and daring them to do something about it. FDR knew of the attack plan long before it happened and had been ordered to move the indespensible aircraft carriers and most expensive pieces for this gigantic chess game away from harm.
So Pearl Harbor got the constitutionally correct non-interventionist attitude of the American people (as the founders had counseled) thrown out and into a war against Japan AND Germany at the same time we went. The Rothschilds and the Jesuits meanwhile are making billions of dollars lending the money to each of the countries involved to make the planes tanks ships bombs rifles bullets and c-rations pay Rosie the riveter etc while all the the human military resouces of each country involved died for them. War isnt about saving anybody- its about ensuring that large amounts of people die in order to make money. They made billions of dollars over the noise of the extinction of millions of people to a world war. You think they didnt want this? They loved this- hence the term- the war lovers. That is what they are. Now- at the end- nothing had changed. More wars are being planned- there was never a chance we fought for peace. War is necessary for the Elite conspiracy to survive. The depopulation alone made it a good thing for their long term interests. Now these same powers have since coalesced into the NWO. The necessary wars are still being fought in Iraq and Afganistan and elsewhere.
Now another war-an economic war- is on. A Financial Bomb has been dropped by the Power Elites on Americans. Believe it. With you in their sights- you are a slave to them financially now with your mortages and your 401K's and your credit card debt and your taxation without representation and your dependence on food supply prices and gasoline powered cars so they can wage war on you on a much more personal level over a longer period of time until you surrender- and surrender you have- now you are of no use to them anymore- useles eaters all now is the Middle Class. Wake up before you find yourselves in another soup line because your house is gone and you are homeless like thousands of Americans already are.

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best kook rant outta u to date IMO :toast:
u ready for WW3 (population decrease) likely on the horizon in 5-10 years or so with GD part duex looming

and so cyclical nature of history carries on

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heh- Tiz- The reason history has seemed to be cyclical is because its been the same people behind it for the last 300 years handed down to each new generation as the way to carry on.

The thing that nobody ever suggests is that we kick them out which would also be cyclical because the have been kicked out of countries several times throughout history. I think their time has come again we just dont know it yet. When we do as a people though watch out.

Im ready for the worst if we live to see it - could turn really ugly like riots in the cities. And finally Civil War when the government finally collapses after the economy does. Which would also be cyclical. They would find a way to profit from this afterwards as they always will. Their galactic highway runs right through the middle class so we are now slated for removal like in the "Hitchhikers Guide." Remember the words they live by- from chaos comes order- and losts of profit making ventures during reconstruction. Cheney's company Haliburton has been the number one Army contractor since the Iraq war began in 2003. Thats 6 years and a few trillion in their pockets. No suprise there. Its what they do...:toast:
 
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