You guys haven't really seen clueless until you play games 3-6 and lower on the Vegas Strip or in Cali. The 1-2 and 2-4 players are actually half-way talented, they just don't care about the money. In Vegas and Cali they aren't half-way talented and still don't care about the money.
In Vegas now, if you play in the 3-6 game at the Mirage or Stardust you often can be the only person with a clue in the game. I was playing the 4-8 game at the Bellagio not that long ago and hit a nut flush on the turn and had to withstand a ton of action, but go to the river with just one opponent. This other guy hits a straight on the end and keeps raising me heads up, he finally stops at 6 bets I think it was. After I show my hand he turns his up expecting to win the pot. When told a flush beats a straight he asked for a floorman, he though we were all shitting him because in his game he says a straight is better than a flush. I swear I had to wait two minutes to get my pot because this guy insisted on a ruling he had no chance of winning. Then after another hand or two he was pissed and got up and left. He probably thinks nothing but thieves play poker in Vegas.
