Bonus abuse occurs by one person opening multiple accounts, getting the bonus on each one, then playing himself heads-up and putting the entire deposit into a few hands. Party Poker only rakes $1 on a heads-up pot, so this can be very profitable.
As an example, John Doe opens five accounts for $500 each. Party Poker gives its maximum $100 bonus (20% on the deposit) for each one. The requirements to cash out the bonus are that the player has to play 100 RAKED pots.
John Doe doesn't care. He takes each of the other accounts, goes to a $10-20 heads-up table, and plays himself until one player loses. He might lose $5 in rake. He does this with each of his clones. He puts up $2,500, gets $3,000, pays Party Poker $25 in rake, and now has $2,975. His remaining account still has to play 100 raked pots, but he can go sit in a 50c/$1 game (the minimum required to qualify for the bonus) and not play any hands. He'll lose his blinds for 10 rounds (75 cents x 10). He ends up with about $2,965, a profit of $465, with no risk whatever.
Naturally, Party Poker doesn't want people doing this, and naturally if they catch somebody doing it, they aren't going to pay the bonus(es).
This is provided for information only and isn't an implication that the original poster did this.
As an example, John Doe opens five accounts for $500 each. Party Poker gives its maximum $100 bonus (20% on the deposit) for each one. The requirements to cash out the bonus are that the player has to play 100 RAKED pots.
John Doe doesn't care. He takes each of the other accounts, goes to a $10-20 heads-up table, and plays himself until one player loses. He might lose $5 in rake. He does this with each of his clones. He puts up $2,500, gets $3,000, pays Party Poker $25 in rake, and now has $2,975. His remaining account still has to play 100 raked pots, but he can go sit in a 50c/$1 game (the minimum required to qualify for the bonus) and not play any hands. He'll lose his blinds for 10 rounds (75 cents x 10). He ends up with about $2,965, a profit of $465, with no risk whatever.
Naturally, Party Poker doesn't want people doing this, and naturally if they catch somebody doing it, they aren't going to pay the bonus(es).
This is provided for information only and isn't an implication that the original poster did this.
Cx service is in India becauz they can pay reps 2$ an hour.
Many US companies set up Shop in India for this reason, the reps are well educated & speak good english (normally). They even take on pseudo names & identities such as " Hi I am mary beth from Chicago..." this way cx's do not get angry with the company for sending labour abroad. In developped countries would cost 15$ an hour for Cx service.
aviv:
Do you not think it is irresponsible to say "Party Poker rips me off" before you call them or before you have even received a return email from them as to why your account is frozen...Of course if you have been waiting a long time for an answer that is a different thing but you should allow for a resonable amount of time to elapse before posting negatively on a thread...If you have waited...then it is fine I guess...
Many US companies set up Shop in India for this reason, the reps are well educated & speak good english (normally). They even take on pseudo names & identities such as " Hi I am mary beth from Chicago..." this way cx's do not get angry with the company for sending labour abroad. In developped countries would cost 15$ an hour for Cx service.
aviv:
Do you not think it is irresponsible to say "Party Poker rips me off" before you call them or before you have even received a return email from them as to why your account is frozen...Of course if you have been waiting a long time for an answer that is a different thing but you should allow for a resonable amount of time to elapse before posting negatively on a thread...If you have waited...then it is fine I guess...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jerseymike111:
How can anyone play at PP,1 on 1 at a small table without someone joining in?....twice?
I just don't understand this?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
They have one-on-one tables at all the major online rooms (In other words, the table maximum is two players). A lot of players won't play anything except one-on-one because they want to avoid the possibility of collusion among other players.
How can anyone play at PP,1 on 1 at a small table without someone joining in?....twice?
I just don't understand this?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
They have one-on-one tables at all the major online rooms (In other words, the table maximum is two players). A lot of players won't play anything except one-on-one because they want to avoid the possibility of collusion among other players.
Old Ballgame,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Bonus abuse occurs by one person opening multiple accounts, getting the bonus on each one, then playing himself heads-up and putting the entire deposit into a few hands. Party Poker only rakes $1 on a heads-up pot, so this can be very profitable.
As an example, John Doe opens five accounts for $500 each. Party Poker gives its maximum $100 bonus (20% on the deposit) for each one. The requirements to cash out the bonus are that the player has to play 100 RAKED pots.
John Doe doesn't care. He takes each of the other accounts, goes to a $10-20 heads-up table, and plays himself until one player loses. He might lose $5 in rake. He does this with each of his clones. He puts up $2,500, gets $3,000, pays Party Poker $25 in rake, and now has $2,975. His remaining account still has to play 100 raked pots, but he can go sit in a 50c/$1 game (the minimum required to qualify for the bonus) and not play any hands. He'll lose his blinds for 10 rounds (75 cents x 10). He ends up with about $2,965, a profit of $465, with no risk whatever.
Naturally, Party Poker doesn't want people doing this, and naturally if they catch somebody doing it, they aren't going to pay the bonus(es).
This is provided for information only and isn't an implication that the original poster did this.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Great post! The key to the success of such a scam (if I understand what you're saying) is that the accounts which lose their money quickly don't have to meet the 100 raked hand requirement and the one which wins only has to meet it once and not 5 times. So you get 5 times the bonus with only one times the rollover requirement.
It's true you are not implying he did this but let's be real...what would the line be? Something like...
YES -500
NO +400
would be reasonable IMO.
After all, the guy isn't very open with us, is he? He just states a few basic facts without any comments on what might be the problem etc. Think of how many times someone has claimed "someone has wronged me" and acted as if he did no wrongdoing whatsoever, like it came as a surprise from out of the blue. Then think of how many times the guy telling the story turns out to be either a scammer or an idiot. Nine out of ten sound about right? If that's the over-under on it I'll take the over.
A truly legitimate complaint lays out both sides of the story, including what possible issues the other party may have with him. Someone who is genuinely interested in justice will do his best to think with the other guy's head and try to look at it from his angle as well.
This guy obviously doesn't belong in this latter category.
And to Sport Savant's question about what it is with these countries... my take on it is that the NUMBER of scammers/bonus whores is not greater than in North America, but there are far fewer legitimate players so the PERCENTAGE of scammers is much higher. The scammers find a way onto the internet poker sites quickly but the regular potential players don't get there in any significant numbers for various cultural and historical reasons. This is the way I see it anyway.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Bonus abuse occurs by one person opening multiple accounts, getting the bonus on each one, then playing himself heads-up and putting the entire deposit into a few hands. Party Poker only rakes $1 on a heads-up pot, so this can be very profitable.
As an example, John Doe opens five accounts for $500 each. Party Poker gives its maximum $100 bonus (20% on the deposit) for each one. The requirements to cash out the bonus are that the player has to play 100 RAKED pots.
John Doe doesn't care. He takes each of the other accounts, goes to a $10-20 heads-up table, and plays himself until one player loses. He might lose $5 in rake. He does this with each of his clones. He puts up $2,500, gets $3,000, pays Party Poker $25 in rake, and now has $2,975. His remaining account still has to play 100 raked pots, but he can go sit in a 50c/$1 game (the minimum required to qualify for the bonus) and not play any hands. He'll lose his blinds for 10 rounds (75 cents x 10). He ends up with about $2,965, a profit of $465, with no risk whatever.
Naturally, Party Poker doesn't want people doing this, and naturally if they catch somebody doing it, they aren't going to pay the bonus(es).
This is provided for information only and isn't an implication that the original poster did this.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Great post! The key to the success of such a scam (if I understand what you're saying) is that the accounts which lose their money quickly don't have to meet the 100 raked hand requirement and the one which wins only has to meet it once and not 5 times. So you get 5 times the bonus with only one times the rollover requirement.
It's true you are not implying he did this but let's be real...what would the line be? Something like...
YES -500
NO +400
would be reasonable IMO.
After all, the guy isn't very open with us, is he? He just states a few basic facts without any comments on what might be the problem etc. Think of how many times someone has claimed "someone has wronged me" and acted as if he did no wrongdoing whatsoever, like it came as a surprise from out of the blue. Then think of how many times the guy telling the story turns out to be either a scammer or an idiot. Nine out of ten sound about right? If that's the over-under on it I'll take the over.
A truly legitimate complaint lays out both sides of the story, including what possible issues the other party may have with him. Someone who is genuinely interested in justice will do his best to think with the other guy's head and try to look at it from his angle as well.
This guy obviously doesn't belong in this latter category.
And to Sport Savant's question about what it is with these countries... my take on it is that the NUMBER of scammers/bonus whores is not greater than in North America, but there are far fewer legitimate players so the PERCENTAGE of scammers is much higher. The scammers find a way onto the internet poker sites quickly but the regular potential players don't get there in any significant numbers for various cultural and historical reasons. This is the way I see it anyway.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Darryl Parsons:
my take on it is that the NUMBER of scammers/bonus whores is not greater than in North America, but there are far fewer legitimate players so the PERCENTAGE of scammers is much higher. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Daryl: correct, and also the scammers from non North-American countries know that the chance of any of the onling gambling sites filing a civil suit or criminal charges is remote.
my take on it is that the NUMBER of scammers/bonus whores is not greater than in North America, but there are far fewer legitimate players so the PERCENTAGE of scammers is much higher. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Daryl: correct, and also the scammers from non North-American countries know that the chance of any of the onling gambling sites filing a civil suit or criminal charges is remote.
