palin on fox says a vote for the dems is a vote against energy independence

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that is an outright lie. each campaign has put forward a timeline for energy independence under their energy plans.

obama - 2018
mccain - 2025

i could go on but what is the point?
 

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what do timelines the candidates mention really mean to you?

It's about bite, substance and practicality. What policy is more grounded?
 

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Which party is for alternative energy sources? And which is party is for 'Drill baby, drill'?
Btw the US doesnt have enough oil for energy independence
 

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Which party is for alternative energy sources? And which is party is for 'Drill baby, drill'?
Btw the US doesnt have enough oil for energy independence

yes we do, especially as a bridge.

we're only looking for a bridge
 

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Which party is for alternative energy sources? And which is party is for 'Drill baby, drill'?
Btw the US doesnt have enough oil for energy independence

How do you know how much oil we have? No one in the world knows how much oil is underneath us and off our coasts.

The dem wits have been keeping us from drilling for decades as we ship our cash overseas so Dubai can build another indoor ski slope.
 

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We could have thousands of acres of wind farms before the first drop of new oil gets refined.
 

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How do you know how much oil we have? No one in the world knows how much oil is underneath us and off our coasts.

The dem wits have been keeping us from drilling for decades as we ship our cash overseas so Dubai can build another indoor ski slope.


I can only go buy the reported official estimates and according to that the US has very little
 

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she's an idiot. ive said all along methanol is the fuel of the future. can make it out of garbage, 2 times as powerful and safe to the environment. i bought a conversion kit 8 months ago and make my own blend.

you guys want to live and die with oil though so i dont really have sympathy when you guys complain about high gas prices.
 

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teach campaign has put forward a timeline for energy independence under their energy plans.

obama - 2018
mccain - 2025

i could go on but what is the point?

energy independence? as in free of foreign oil? define

thats a lie if so either figure
 

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she's an idiot. ive said all along methanol is the fuel of the future. can make it out of garbage, 2 times as powerful and safe to the environment. i bought a conversion kit 8 months ago and make my own blend.

Details, please.
 

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she's an idiot. ive said all along methanol is the fuel of the future. can make it out of garbage, 2 times as powerful and safe to the environment. i bought a conversion kit 8 months ago and make my own blend.

you guys want to live and die with oil though so i dont really have sympathy when you guys complain about high gas prices.

site where you bought the conversion kit?

ive seen the diesel vegetable oil conversion kits
 

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Details, please.

you make the fuel with a still. i bought somebody else's plan who has made over 100 of them and made my own with the help of some engineering people i know.

i use overripe fruit, plums and peaches. fill a roughly 50 gallon barrel with the fruit, add water, add baking yeast, breaks down to 1 part water 3 part fruit.

then i smash at the fruit for about 30 mins a couple times a day outside because the yeast reproduces faster because of the temp outside.

later i use a wire mesh to filter out the some of the skins and stones, use a hydrometer before i test it to make sure its fermented and then run it through the still.

there are other ways, i just use the fruits because i have access to them. thats the real simple, basic way of how i do it.

now converting your car id need another day to explain what all you would have to do.
 

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she's an idiot. ive said all along methanol is the fuel of the future. can make it out of garbage, 2 times as powerful and safe to the environment. i bought a conversion kit 8 months ago and make my own blend.

you guys want to live and die with oil though so i dont really have sympathy when you guys complain about high gas prices.
You calling someone an idiot!!!:missingte:missingte:missingte Now that is some funny shit right there!!:missingte:missingte:missingte
 
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you make the fuel with a still. i bought somebody else's plan who has made over 100 of them and made my own with the help of some engineering people i know.

i use overripe fruit, plums and peaches. fill a roughly 50 gallon barrel with the fruit, add water, add baking yeast, breaks down to 1 part water 3 part fruit.

then i smash at the fruit for about 30 mins a couple times a day outside because the yeast reproduces faster because of the temp outside.

later i use a wire mesh to filter out the some of the skins and stones, use a hydrometer before i test it to make sure its fermented and then run it through the still.

there are other ways, i just use the fruits because i have access to them. thats the real simple, basic way of how i do it.

now converting your car id need another day to explain what all you would have to do.

Quite frankly I just don't believe you do this. Nice try though.
 

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Quite frankly I just don't believe you do this. Nice try though.

shit man you dont have to believe me. you dont know me, i dont know you, believe what you want to believe. he asked how i did it, i told him how i do it.
 

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energy independence? as in free of foreign oil? define

thats a lie if so either figure

no, not free of foreign oil. just not dependent on it. and i think there is solid reasoning in both plans for the dates they provide.

and i think that obama's plan is more grounded frankly. what has the free market done to get us off of foreign oil in the last 10 years?

corn based ethanol? a fuel that is as much of a detriment to the environment as is gasoline and at the same time managed to make a bunch of farmers wealthy while screwing up the food cost of the country.

i don't believe that you can hope your way to change in the auto industry. their is too much money to persuade agendas. instead i think you get change by throwing money at american ingenuity. new companies that sprout up in the effort and old companies who change based off of tax credits and bonuses afforded to them for significant progress.

you also get change by encouraging conservation.

regardless both guys have plans but mccains would appear to be a slight change from more of the same.

obama's plan is a massive change and it is expensive but a change in energy is something worth paying for. especially if he is able to create the job's in the sector he plans to.

also you put the money in up front and if you are successful in making a significant change in energy then you keep our money here.

which reminds me of another distortion by the mccain camp. the number is not 700 billion that goes over seas to people who do not like ut, it is around 536 billion that is spent. and around a third of that goes to the UK, canada and mexico.
 

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yes we do, especially as a bridge.

we're only looking for a bridge

willie i would agree if we were going to drill in anwr. but your boy mccain will not as president. this is clearly more of a talking point to rally the undecideds....

i don't see what the incentive is under mccain to change anything in big oil.
 

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How do you know how much oil we have? No one in the world knows how much oil is underneath us and off our coasts.

The dem wits have been keeping us from drilling for decades as we ship our cash overseas so Dubai can build another indoor ski slope.
Yes they have a pretty good idea what amount of reserves are there.

Hey dip-effing-stick, you have any clue where the oil from the North Slope in Alaska (oh yeah hey, we can see Russia from here, lol) goes?

We sell it. The same heavy crude we will drill in ANWAR will go where?

Clues are available for those who can fucking process them.
 

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