Overrated Cincy once again

[Matt24]

Like I have been saying all year, once again these guys were way overrated. What a joke these guys are, and they won Conference USA??? Terrible. Take a look at these losers preconference schedule, love seeing Huggins getting smoked. By a "weak" Big 10 team too, LMAO. Now if Wisconsin can roll Pitt who also plays a horrid preconference schedule, my day would be complete.

If anyone has Cincinnati's tournament history over the last 10 years or so, would love to see it, I bet Huggins has been bounced by a higher seed every single year besides maybe when he had VanExel back in 93 or whenever

 

[TigerVen]

C-USA is overated..look at what Louisville, Memphis, Depaul (NIT Team) and conference champ Cincy did this year. All out by the second round. Pathetic for a so called basketball conference. I bet against them every chance I got except for the Memphis/So.carlina game where I took the Tigers against an even more overrated gamecock team.

 

[TheChaser+]

Huggins first 2 tournement teams were super teams.

However, UC under Huggins has never beaten a higher rated seed.

In going to 1 Final Four, 2 Elite Eights, 1 Sweet Sixteen, and about a half dozen second rounds, UC has beaten only two seeds higher than a 6. 5th seeded Mich St in 92 as a 4 seed and 3rd seeded GTech in 96 as a 2 seed.

 

[FairWarning]

Kind of ironic that Robert Whaley talked all sorts of smack about the Illini.

The Illinis record vs higher seeded teams is no prize either. Might be their first win ever (serious).

 

[Matt24]

Illinois isnt usually a high seed year in and year out and ranked top 15 all year too though.

I found this Cincinnati history website. It has tidbits on all the years, its funny how on most it just says "Cincinnati earned a #2 seed in the west", then it doesnt say anything else.

 

[truelyhandicapping]

in all fairness to the conf usa.

louisville lost to the hotest team in the tourney=xavier, and look what they did to miss st.

depaul lost to probably 40% of peoples prediction to win the whole thing.


uab just beat kentucky. wow


and cincy had a matchup problem with to small guards.

and memphis got beat by a outstanding team in osu.

 

[jaypaw]

matt when are you gonna jump back in the mix here

pick some games this round why dont you

!!!

 

[Matt24]

Im going to pass the rest of the year, Illinois +2 was what I thought the bet of the tourney by far, I called my friend who was in Vegas on Spring Break and made sure he got down big on it, but I didnt have anything on it. I will be back next year, if you noticed when I was winning, I was playing 1,2,3 games at most a night, and also passing many nights, than I just got too much time on my hands and I started reaching and started losing. I am just waiting til next year to get an actual bankroll in place and will start to use good money management, 1% and 2% plays or whatever, havent decided yet, I probably wont play NFL next year, maybe a couple, but I plan on being ready for college basketball. For the Sweet 16 though, the only advice I have is don't play Duke.

 

[texaschico]

matt man get a clue. any true cuncy fan knew this season was in trouble when moore didn't have back surgery.(sort of better than Indiana) look huggins has done a hell of a job. what college student wants to go to cincy. There is no night life. it is a comuter school. when huggins gets in the big east things will be different. he won't have to recruit juco players. until cincy starts getting a true pt. guard you can expect the smae results. the last true pg that cincy had was legree. they lost out on ford and various other big time guards. At least we make the tourney every year unlike i.u.. illini were a heckle/jeckle team all year. gl to all

 

[Matt24]

chico- Thanks for the stupid comments. "Matt Man get a clue?" What does that mean? Get a clue about what, I have been getting clues for 7 of the 8 last years. (Cincy has been bounced the first weekend while most of those times they were a 2 seed and maybe once a 1 seed and got bounced, I can't remember) All I said was that they were overrated and play a cupcake schedule. Do you agree or disagree?

Illinois was not a heckle/jeckle team all year. They have been playing well for a long time after Weber finally got control of the team.

 

[texaschico]

matt they payed well in the big ten. i lost my scalp on them this year. they were favored on the road and did win outright early in the year. as for not playing a tough schedule. they played at xavier, at uab, at wake. i think all of those teams are in the sweet 16. hell louisville and uab beat ky this year. memphis won at syracuse this year. there is a reason this league was reted higher than the big 10

 

[texaschico]

how about those hoosiers matt. i would rather go out in the second round that play .500 ball in a stiff league.

 

[Matt24]

Chico- You know you have no argument, so you for some reason bring IU into this who has no bearing on this subject. I hope you dont have to listen to games on WLW, because that is just torture, the color guy has no idea what the hell is going on.

Sat, Nov 22 Akron W 88-66 -- Audio
Mon, Nov 24 Oakland W 89-60 -- Audio
Sat, Nov 29 Coppin St. W 76-56 -- Audio
Tue, Dec 2 at Valparaiso W 68-49 -- Audio
Wed, Dec 17 Clemson W 79-56 -- Audio
Sat, Dec 20 Middle Tenn. St. W 89-54 --Audio
Tue, Dec 23 Dayton W 82-53 -- Audio
Sat, Dec 27 Miami (OH) W 83-63 -- Audio
Tue, Dec 30 Elon W 102-63 -- Audio

Cincy's preconference schedule, geez that is tough. Yes they did play Wake and Xavier in the middle of the season, and who cares if they play UAB, they had to, its conference. Huggins has always scheduled cupcakes, its what he does. Bob Huggins = 0% graduation rate, geez I wish I could support that program.

But how about those Hoosiers? When was Cincy's last natl title runner up, was it in the last 2 years?

 

[Matt24]

Here is Cincys or should I say "Cuncy" like you did, thats kind of funny, but anway.
Huggins history is all I'm doing, Im not going back to 1977.

1992: 4 seed. Reach the final 4, but I don't believe they beat a higher seed along the way, as they defeat UTEP in the Sweet 16 and Memphis in the Elite 8(for some reason I think Memphis was as 7 or 10, I may be wrong) Lose in Final 4

1993: 2 seed. Win 3 games before losing to UNC in the Elite 8, it should be noted that UNC won it all that year, so 2 solid runs in a row.

1994: 8 seed. Lose in first round to Wisconsin.

1995: 7 seed. Lose in 2nd round to UConn.

1996: 2 seed. Lose in Elite 8 to Miss St who was a 5 seed.

1997: 3 seed. Lose in 2nd round to Iowa St.

1998: 2 seed. Lose in 2nd round to West Virginia. (I believe this was a banked in buzzer beater if I remember right, I remember loving this, I was still in high school. Cincy barely squeezed by 15th seeded Northern Arizona 65-62.

1999: 3 seed. Lose in 2nd round to Temple.

2000: 2 seed. Lose in 2nd round to Tulsa.

2001: 5 seed. Lose in Sweet 16 to Stanford. Cincy beat the 12 and 13 seed to get there, it should be noted that they beat Kent St in the 2nd round, whom beat Indiana 2 days before.

2002: 1 seed. Lose in 2nd round to UCLA.

2003: 8 seed. Lose in first round to Gonzaga.


Let me sum this up, in the last 8 years, Cincinnati has been a 1,2,2,2,3,3,5, and 8 seed and made it past the 2nd round twice in that span. They were expected to get there SIX times. And expected to make Elite 8 4 times, and Final 4 once. This is why I dislike Cincy, they are overrated every single year, thanks to thier cupcake schedule and the usually very weak Great Midwest or Conference USA.

 

[Matt24]

My bad

2004: 4 seed. Lose in 2nd round by 24 pts to 5 seed Illinois.

 

[e15n8c6]

Maybe this is the wrong place, but since you mentioned not betting Duke in the sweet sixteen I'd like to have some of your insight, because you seem to put a good deal of effort into your selections. Even though you state that you're passing for the remainder, if you could elaborate, I would greatly appreciate your thoughts.
As for my take on Duke vs. Illinois, using your very accurate assessment of Cincy, the Illini only need to view the Big Ten title game against Wisconsin and start playing it in their minds to get a very minute picture of the anihilation coming their way in Atlanta this Friday evening. Their not going to get the kind of opportunities to shoot 57.9% from three pt. range and 63.6% overall. In addtion, I think the over on Illinois turnovers is going to be 16 in this game. That is my short list of reasons for their problems in this game.
Thank you in advance for you outlook.

Good luck to all for the rest of time.

 

[FairWarning]

Tom:

I feel that Illinois does indeed have a bad matchup with Deng. Other than him, Duke is a finesse team that Illinois can favorably match up. Who says Reddick will get open looks against a very quick backcourt? If he has a bad shooting game, Duke is in trouble.

 

[truelyhandicapping]

lets not forget, though it was early in the season.

duke lost to purdue. ouch!

good comment fair,

acc is a boys league compared to the men of the big ten and big 12.

ill has some outstanding guards, a big man that is tough, and a big big man that if shoots well and plays well, ill is moving on.

 

[truelyhandicapping]

hey matt get back in the game

i know you in your heart htat you think the ill will cover this game.

 

[Matt24]

Yeah I think Illinois will cover, I also think they will win outright. But still going to pass the rest of the season, just have to now, if I was going to renig on my statement and bet again, I would have bet East Tenn St friday or Illinois sunday. Im just glad my friend took Illinois for 270 in Vegas sunday, 270 was all he had. Ha. This guy is a $20 bettor, who only bets when I have a really strong game. The bastard went like 13-3 this year with my "strong" picks, then hits Illinois for 13 times his original play. LOL.

Why Illinois will cover the 7 or why I feel Illinois is the right play, no guarantee the cover.

Dee Brown is one of the quickest players in the nation and a great defender, if Illinois does not want Reddick to get a shot off, he won't, Brown will be in his grill. Duhon is still in pain and this doesnt help Duke much either, in all honesty, would you want an injured Duhon whom you can tell is in pain when he plays or Deron Williams? Williams has turned into a complete Badass. Illinois also has another great defender in Luther Head whom can matchup with Reddick if needed. Head and Brown are both very solid defenders.

Luol Deng, of course this is a tough matchup for anyone, this guy will be a top 5 pick if he goes pro. Matching up with him will be Roger Powell most likely, who is a pretty solid position defender and will keep Deng off the offensive boards but most likely lacks the quickness if Deng wants to take him off the dribble. Sheldon Williams is a very good player also, but every single time I have watched these guys he has gotten into foul trouble, I expect this to happen again as the Illini will go to Augustine and Powell early inside. Dee Brown will also look to get to the rack often. Randolph has played well though, so losing Williams might not be that bad for Duke.

About Illinois turnovers as someone mentioned. This team has 2 point guards basically Brown and Williams, I do not think they will be turning the ball over at a high rate. Both are very good ball handlers and Williams is very very heady, I wish this guy was at IU.

2 years ago IU came in as the 5 seeded Big 10 regular season champion as 14 point underdogs to Duke, much the same way Illinois did but Illinois was only 7 pt dogs. Big time Duke against the poor Big 10, no chance, no chance. Most people don't realize that ACC ball is very very different than Big 10 ball and in the tourney the team that is usually adjusting is the ACC team because all of a sudden the other team is playing good defense. This is one reason why Steve Lavin kept on saying he thought the Big 10 would be successful in the post season while Dick and Digger at that time was saying they would be a joke. Duke will not score at will on Illinois and this will be a dogfight. I think this game will be very very good and I can't wait to watch this one, I wish it was on Thursday.