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Wouldn't it prove to be hugely beneficial to consistently bet the MLB the night before the games with reduced juice on 5dimes?

Seems like it could make a huge difference over time, assuming you are decent enough at predicting how the public will move the lines.
 

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well thats a big IF but for sure thats the way to approach all sportsbetting lock in an overlay when you see it..even if its early...

the only minor downside of doing it early is the limits are not top notch early so you might show your hand early..but for 99% thats not going to be an issue

but the public does not move the lines, the sharp action moves the lines.
 

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well thats a big IF but for sure thats the way to approach all sportsbetting lock in an overlay when you see it..even if its early...

but the public does not move the lines, the sharp action moves the lines.


Perfect example from last night. You could get yankees at -125 reduced juice. And you just know everyone and their brother is going to unload on Tanaka today. Line already at -135. Over time this would have to have a huge effect.
 

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Wouldn't it prove to be hugely beneficial to consistently bet the MLB the night before the games with reduced juice on 5dimes?

Seems like it could make a huge difference over time, assuming you are decent enough at predicting how the public will move the lines.


Well..... Here goes an old man with real experience speaking up again.

This type of attitude is exactly how the big hotels got big. From public thinking like quoted above.

The fact is NOT this..."assuming you are decent enough at predicting how the public will move the lines." (to get out in front of the changes)

The fact is this..... If you could predict the public opinions, you would simply wait until the last minute and ALWAYS bet against the public. This approach would be guaranteed to win over time. People are mostly stupid to begin with.... and the oddsmakers are pros at taking advantage of all that stupidity.

Balls-on accurate!
 

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Well..... Here goes an old man with real experience speaking up again.

This type of attitude is exactly how the big hotels got big. From public thinking like quoted above.

The fact is NOT this..."assuming you are decent enough at predicting how the public will move the lines." (to get out in front of the changes)

The fact is this..... If you could predict the public opinions, you would simply wait until the last minute and ALWAYS bet against the public. This approach would be guaranteed to win over time. People are mostly stupid to begin with.... and the oddsmakers are pros at taking advantage of all that stupidity.

Balls-on accurate!

If you are going against the public then yes that is the best move.
 

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That's the obvious way to win! The public ALWAYS loses over time. You haven't noticed?
 

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That's the obvious way to win! The public ALWAYS loses over time. You haven't noticed?

So essentially what you're saying is this.

Simply check the lines when they first come out. Then check them right before game time and bet against whichever way the line has shifted.

Correct?
 

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Wouldn't it prove to be hugely beneficial to consistently bet the MLB the night before the games with reduced juice on 5dimes?

Seems like it could make a huge difference over time, assuming you are decent enough at predicting how the public will move the lines.


No. I am saying you can't just blindly do anything. You have to be able to recognize "public" moves.

What I am really saying is this...... under no circumstances should you ever be in a hurry to get ahead of public money to get a better price on what the PUBLIC is betting.

No offense Justo, but your post to open the thread says exactly the opposite of the mathematical fact I am pointing out. As I pointed out, this is "exactly how the big hotels got big".

P.S. If it was as easy as the first post indicates.... everyone would already be retired and sipping little umbrella drinks.
 

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packer2012;10527381[B said:
]No. I am saying you can't just blindly do anything. You have to be able to recognize "public" moves.[/B]

What I am really saying is this...... under no circumstances should you ever be in a hurry to get ahead of public money to get a better price on what the PUBLIC is betting.

No offense Justo, but your post to open the thread says exactly the opposite of the mathematical fact I am pointing out. As I pointed out, this is "exactly how the big hotels got big".

P.S. If it was as easy as the first post indicates.... everyone would already be retired and sipping little umbrella drinks.

No offense, but you just completely contradicted yourself. First you say if you bet against public every single time you will win over time. Now you're saying you cant just blindly do anything.
 

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Read closely Justo. I am saying you have to isolate on which moves are caused by the public.. Then bet against all of those.

I recognize just how hard it is to know for sure all the public moves. But the first post refers to betting early "assuming you are decent enough at predicting how the public will move the lines." (Betting the same side to beat the line moves)

That would be absolute financial suicide.
 

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. I am saying you have to isolate on which moves are caused by the public.

Close to impossible

I think you've moved the goal post here.


All i'm saying is betting early to get reduced juice seems to make sense. Because if you can save yourself a few points of juice it will have a huge impact long term.
 

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Agree, obviously. Just disagree with the rush to beat the public to the punch part. Usually will be the wrong side.

Good luck Justin.
 

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Agree, obviously. Just disagree with the rush to beat the public to the punch part. Usually will be the wrong side.

Good luck Justin.

I probably worded it wrong with what I was trying to say. The word public got thrown in there without much thought
 

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Wouldn't it prove to be hugely beneficial to consistently bet the MLB the night before the games with reduced juice on 5dimes?

Seems like it could make a huge difference over time, assuming you are decent enough at predicting how the public will move the lines.

Like TripleT said, the public doesn't move lines JC.

However yeah you should bet reduced lines when you can assuming you were going to bet the game anyway...
 

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when "public" money is aligned with "sharp" money, it definitely moves the line. the trick is to figure out those occurrences (which happen more than people realize). of course, books fear those situations because they'll immediately know they've hung a bad line and they become over exposed. while these plays don't always hit, you certainly don't want to be on the opposite side of them over the long run.
 

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A good rule I like to follow is never bet a dog or under overnight. Otherwise just bet what you like and hope you got something better than the closing price. Trying to predict which way the line will go will drive you insane. Go to sleep and wait till the sun comes up.
 

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I used to think betting the Don't Pass in craps was a winning proposition over the long term. Boy was I wrong.
 

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JC, the lower the vig the less you lose (or more you win).....thats what you are saying right? you are correct
 

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I used to think betting the Don't Pass in craps was a winning proposition over the long term. Boy was I wrong.

Nothing is a winning proposition over the long term in craps....but I think the don't pass is the closest thing you can ever get to such a thing
 

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