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Ok, guys, time to talk some more oscar. Best picture seems to be all but locked up for Chicago, but, can the Pianist or The Hours play spoiler here? What does everyone think the chance (in the form of a percentage), of each of these films winning best picture? I would put Chicago right now at about 65%, The Hours aat about 25% and the Pianist at about 10%, with neither of the two remaining films having any real shot whatsoever. This means that, in playing the percentages, if you can find somewhere that has the Pianist at better than 9/1 (there are plenty of places out there), or the Hours at better than 3/1, it's worth taking a shot. Any thoughts?

As for Best Actor, I am seeing this race as a very, very close one to call with the top three combatants (Jack, Day Lewis and Brody), all about tied right now. I know with Jack, you can get better than even money, and with Brody, you can do even better than that. I would be inclined to take a shot with Adrian Brody right now, as they hype and buzz are building for him and his film, at EXACTLY the right time. Both Jack and Daniel have a couple of things working against them. Day Lewis is playing a "bad guy" and, traditionally, these characters just aren't conducive to winning this award (I know that Denzel won last year and the Cannibal won a few years ago). As for Jack, he has already "been there and done that" and, he's playing an old dude. I think that Brody has a real shot here, and, with the value in that selection, it's going to be difficult to pass up.

As for best actress, Kidman is the clear cut front runner right now, but, I see a possible slip up in the works, and, if so, I think Julianne Moore can steal the top prize here. I see this award with Kidman having about a 50% chance of winning it, Moore having about a 35% chance of winning it and Zellwegger with about a 10 percent chance, with the two remaining ladies splitting that last 5%.

For best supporting actor, it's clearly Cooper's prize to lose and I don't know that anyone else has any chance in this category.

For best supporting actress, I'm seeing another very, very close race between Zeta Jones, Moore and Streep. I think that if the top prize goes to Kidman (which it very well might, and probably will), I see Moore here taking the prize, as she was wonderful in both of her roles (The HOurs and Far from Heaven). But, I think that, as of right now, Zeta Jones probably is the bet, in terms of value, as she can be had right around 2/1 odds.

I want everyone's thoughts on these. Any opinions?

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I think your thinking is pretty much on, on all of them. I see a little value out there, but with so much time left I am holding off posting any more.

With so many book offering lines early and with decent limits, it is possible to get down on these big catagories for quite a bit of money.
 

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Placed my bets the day before yesterday. Here is how I played them:

1 unit on:
J. Moore for Best Actress at +275 (Pinnacle)
A. Brody for Best Actor at +900 (Pinnacle)
C. Zeta Jones for Best Supporting Actress at +175 (Pinnacle)

1/2 unit on:
J. Moore for Best Supporting Actress at +400 (Pinnacle)

1/4 unit on:
The Pianist for Best Picture at +2100 (Gamebookers)
The Hours for Best Picture at +400 (Pinnacle)

Hope this helps some of you. Best of luck.

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Obviously next weekend's SAGS will determine who will start favourite (or close to favourite) for the main 4 categories. In recent years Halle Berry, Helen Hunt, Roberto Benigni and even Michael Caine were all unfancied for Oscar glory before the SAGS. The SAGS have a 100% record WRT Oscar glory in the best actress category.
I personally backed Day Lewis, Brody, The Pianist, Chicago and Julianne Moore a few months ago. Moore in particular seems to have lost plenty of momentum and I certainly feel she needs to beat Kidman to the SAG to rekindle her chances. The Pianist is certainly gaining momentum and you could well be right that Brody may be the dark horse considering he is up against 4 previous Oscar winners (Caine only supporting twice).
 

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Actually, the best actress category is 6 out of 8 corresponding to the SAGS. They aren't 100%, but, rather, 75%.

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don't think zeta-jones will win. just a hunch. streep will win. kidman will win. nicholson will win. cooper will win. Pianist will take either Picture or Director. Chicago will win about five awards but don't think it will win Picture. gangs probably two or three awards. will not be harvey's night for the big awards but Miramax will dominate in total awards. plus they get the profits from Lord Of the Rings (four or five awards?) Hours (three awards)

good luck

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Out of curiosity, on what do you base these opinions? Not bashing, just curious. Because, I would say that the Pianist has virtually NO CHANCE of winning Picture or Director, after last weekends sweep by Chicago of the DGA and PGA awards. The Director race is strictly a two man race between Marty and Rob, and, the only realistic chance for the Pianist is in the Best Actor category where Brody has, in my mind, stepped up to Day Lewis and Jack and is currently in a dead heat. I would give EACH of them about a 30% chance of winning this award.

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I am liking Chicago for Picture and Marshall for director more and more.
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I do have some money on Piano at 18-1 and 20-1 but just as a early hedge in case Piano made a run at it. At this point I don't see that happening.

I would get down on Marshall at -110 (at Pinnacle now) or even a little higher if you can. I am fairly confident that if you decide you don't want to hold it as the awards approach, you can short Marshall at WSEX and have a nice scalp. Plus I think he has a 70% chance to win Best Director. I wouldn't post this if I needed to get any more money down on Marshall (as I think even at this price he is a HUGE value), but as it is I have a TON bet on him and really should not bet anymore.
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A lot of books have really stepped up for these awards and are letting some real money be bet. WSEX, Pinnacle, Olympic, Canbet, and WWTS to name the ones I have played most at. I must congratulate them.
 

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I'll cap these closer to Awards time, as I hate tying up money for weeks at a stretch. But some preliminary thoughts:

I really think the Academy may give a single nod to Gangs with a Best Director gift for Scorcese. He spent over a decade trying to make this movie. Chicago seems a lock for Best Picture, but as lakerfan says, it's well worth a hedge with Pianist just in case.

Gotta look at everything else and find value.

By the way...did anyone do anything with OLY's lines on the Razzie Awards? I noticed that they took them down. I was going to jump on their +1200 line for "Star Wars: Episode II" hosting the worst on-screen couple.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> By the way...did anyone do anything with OLY's lines on the Razzie Awards? I noticed that they took them down. I was going to jump on their +1200 line for "Star Wars: Episode II" hosting the worst on-screen couple. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Brittney Spears - Actress - +425

Figure it is between her= and Madonna. They always honor Madonna, but they likely will only get one chance with Spears, so I think this is her year. What an honor. lol
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I'll cap these closer to Awards time, as I hate tying up money for weeks at a stretch. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, but Oscars offer huge positive expectation bets so I have no problem tying up money. I do agree it is difficult this time a year with so many sports going strong.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I really think the Academy may give a single nod to Gangs with a Best Director gift for Scorcese. He spent over a decade trying to make this movie. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Scorcese is a unique case, but in the 55 years since the DGA began presenting its top honor, the winner has gone on to receive the Academy Award for best director all but five times.

In the past 29 years it has happen three times:

2000

Ang Lee won DGA for Crouching Tiger
Soderbergh won Oscar for Traffic

1995
Howard won DGA for Apollo 13
Gibson won Oscar for Braveheart

1985

Speilberg won DGA for Color Purple
Pollack won Oscar for Out of Africa

This could be another unique year, but I am betting against it.
 
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I found some good links on the net in case you guys haven't seen these. Looks like Chicago for best picture (obviously) and also Marshal for director looks like somewhat of a lock while the biggest lock overall seems to be Cooper for best supporting actor. Guess I better lay my money down now before you bastards start ****ing up the odds!
http://hometown.aol.com/oscarcharts/
http://www.expage.com/theoscarpage
this one's a bit out-dated but here's where I found the links:
http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/syws/oscar/oscar2.html
 
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Well if Olympic took the Razzy props down, they have put them back up again. Madonna is no longer favored for worst actress, Britney Spears is, and she's currently at -125. I went to the Razzies website, and they have a poll there for what you think should be the "winners", and I got these numbers after taking the poll. If you actually want to vote for the razzies, you have to pay a mother****ing membership fee. So who knows how indicative these numbers are to the actual razzie voter's opinions. I thought it was interesting that Britney is sweeping this one in the public's eye. Looks like a toss-up between Swept Away and Crosswords for worst picture, although the public strongly favors Crosswords. They also like her for worst actress, and for worst screen couple. I kinda like Steven Segal at +150 for worst actor. While Eddie Murphy deserves to get shat on for Pluto Nash, he's a lot more likeable that Segal.



1. Worst Picture:
THE ADVENTURES of PLUTO NASH (Warner Bros.) 12.6% (376)
CROSSROADS (Paramount) 45.3% (1349)
Roberto Benigni’s PINOCCHIO (Miramax) 6.5% (195)
STAR WARS: EPISODE II: ATTACK OF THE CLONES (20th Century-Fox/Lucasfilm) 10.9% (326)
SWEPT AWAY (Screen Gems) 10.3% (308)

2. Worst Actor:
Roberto Benigni (Dubbed GODZILLA-Style by Breckin Meyer) PINOCCHIO*# 10.2% (304)
Adriano Giannini/SWEPT AWAY 8.5% (252)
Eddie Murphy/ADVENTURES of PLUTO NASH, I SPY and SHOWTIME# 19.2% (573)
Steven Segal/HALF PAST DEAD# 30.8% (918)
Adam Sandler/ADAM SANDLER’S 8 CRAZY NIGHTS and MR. DEEDS# 9.5% (284)

3. Worst Actress:
Angelina Jolie/LIFE, OR SOMETHING LIKE IT*# 2.9% (87)
Jennifer Lopez/ENOUGH and MAID IN MANHATTAN# 19.3% (575)
Madonna/SWEPT AWAY# 15.2% (452)
Winona Ryder/MR. DEEDS* 2.9% (86)
Britney Spears/CROSSROADS 51.5% (1536)

7. Worst Screen Couple:
Adriano Giannini & Madonna#/SWEPT AWAY 10.5% (314)
Roberto Benigni* & Nicoletta Braschi/Benigni’s PINOCCHIO 7.0% (209)
Hayden Christensen & Natalie Portman#/STAR WARS/EPISODE II: SEND IN THE CLONES 14.0% (418)
Eddie Murphy# & EITHER Robert deNiro# (SHOWTIME) Owen Wilson (I SPY) or Himself Cloned (THE ADVENTURES OF PLUTO NASH) 8.4% (249)
Britney Spears & Whatever-His-Name-Was/CROSSROADS 42.5% (1266)
 
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what the hell, I see that Tom Green almost swept the Razzies last year, so I'm going to try and ride the Britney Spears bandwaggon with these. I like these more that the oscars because the odds are better... of course they aren't a supposed "lock" like Chicago for best picture, but **** it. I'm takin Crosswords for worst picture, although I won't be surprised if Nash takes it; Steven Segal for worst actor, again Eddie could play spoiler; Britney for worst actress and worst screen couple.
 
If the SAGs are any indication,

These are my bets:

Would've taken Chicago -500 but I don't feel like betting too much on a film and putting most of my money on 'hold' while I assume they will win rather easily...

However I did wager on

Daniel Day-Lewis (-180)
* Risk 1.80 Units to win 1 Unit *

and

Catherine Zeta-Jones (even)
* Risk 1 Unit to win 1 Unit *


What do you all think?

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I would never lay money on the Oscars, because, there's just too much value out there. While Day Lewis is clearly the front runner now, I still think that Brody and Nicholson have a chance to win this and would NEVER have layed 180 on Day Lewis. As for Zeta Jones, I got her a week or two ago at +175.

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Come on everyone, there's just one week left until the Oscars, with all major precursors completed. Here are my wagers, every single one of them. You tell me what you think.

Picture:
$50 on Pianist at +2100
$50 on the Hours at +400
These were two throw aways that I decided to play, just in case there WAS a major upset in the category, but, I know full well that those $100 are about as good as gone right now.


Actor:
$200 on Brody at +900

Actress:
$200 on Zellwegger at +510
$200 on Moore at +275

Supporting Actor:
$200 on Walken at +900

Supporting Actress:
$200 on Zeta Jones at +170
$100 on Moore at +400

I welcome everyone's crtiques.

JP
 
I think that Walken now has no chance; he got an award and now it is someone else's turn. A better value is Ed Harris.
 

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jcambert,

I think the only really strong winner you have is Zeta Jones.

The odds you got on Walken are good, but I would hedge with Cooper now as I think he has a 70% chance of winning.

$200 on Zellwegger at +510 is very good as well. But I wouldn't say she is the frontrunner. I would personally put a little hedge on Nicole (but holding Zellwegger at +510 could prove very profitable for you). I have no money bet on best actress as it is truely a tough one to call.

I could post all my bets (I made a lot of them this year
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), but by now the odds have changed enough on all of them to offer very little advantage to betting them.

If someone wants current picks at present prices it would be:

To win 1 Unit
Picture - Chicago at -377 by buying at WSEX at 79
Supporting Actress - Zeta Jones -128 via WSEX 56
Supporting Actor - Cooper -150 via WSEX 60

To win 1/2 Unit
Director - Marshall - -123 via WSEX 55

If I hadn't bet them already, I would put a LITTLE money on these. Someone might be able to find better prices aside from WSEX.
 

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My official posted picks from back in February:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>1 Unit Plays:

Cinematography - Far From Heaven +300
Cinematography - Road to Perdition +450

(don't let the favorite Chicago -300 scare you, it is far from what it should be priced at. 66% chance that one of the two films above wins the category)

1/4 Unit Plays:

Editing - LOTR: Two Towers +1100
Original Screenplay - Y Tu Mama Tambien +2000
Picture - Pianist +2400 (by buying at 4 with WSEX interactive)

1 Unit Play:

Picture - Chicago -200 (Buying at 67 at WSEX)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It pretty much comes down to Cinematography on these, which I am fine with. Chicago bet should cover the three 1/4 unit bets. I would say that Editing - LOTR is the only one that has a very good shot of coming in. If it did that would be enough for a decent profit.

Cinematography odds at the thegreek.com are now:

251 Chicago +200
252 Far From Heaven +250
253 The Road To Perdition +150
254 The Gangs of New York +350
255 The Pianist +1200

Chicago has a shot at the award, but I think my two picks have at least a 75% chance of hitting, so that is where the profit would come from.

It is the Oscars so one never knows, but the plays are looking decent.
 

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