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Does anyone play at a sportsbook online casino?
Can it be trusted?
Has anyone ever won there?

-MC

[This message was edited by MadCapper on July 21, 2003 at 09:59 AM.]
 

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MC I thought you were naming a new casino ONILE....


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I do not like them never play . unless you consider bigbet poker or something like that as one
 

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I've had moderate success at WSEX and INTERTOPS. By that I mean between $100 and $500 in winnings. Above that, forget it. But that is probably due to the fact I haven't pushed it when I won, instead trying to take it the rest of the way with suicide parlays. And when I haven't done well, I have pushed it all the way into the ground.
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But I have a very high success rate at these two places, especially INTERTOPS.

Have had ZERO success at Bowmans and BET365. I mean I don't think I have won a hand at BET365 (oh and six or seven), and might be 5-20 at Bowmans lifetime.

Carib I've held my own, and the others I really haven't played too much at.

I prefer to go to a place like Sands or Will Hill when possible for my suicide blackjack adventures. But when I'm in overdraft mode, I can't do that because moving money around becomes too "expensive".
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Dante,
Give me sometime...j/k
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Anyone else have success? By success I mean winning over 500 dollars.


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I just played at one this minute (won't mention the name)...I transfered 125.00 from my sportsbook account and took it to 375.00...cashed out with 300.00. So thats a solid 175.00 win in but a few minutes.

I think the 'trick' is to win your few hands and then leave. If you want to play again, come back a little later and start from scratch. Don't press your luck. Its hard to stay away because its a click away but you must have some will power.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I think the 'trick' is to win your few hands and then leave. If you want to play again, come back a little later and start from scratch. Don't press your luck. Its hard to stay away because its a click away but you must have some will power.
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Good point
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I believe the essence of MadCapper's question was not what strategy should be employed to win at table games etc. (e.g., quit while you're ahead...duh
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but whether or not online casinos can be trusted to deal the cards fairly. It's enough of a disadvantage to play table games with an honest deck, when the rules of the game are rigged in favor of the house. It's an entirely different can of worms when the "deck" being dealt from is a virtual one, and there is no way for the player to know whether the cards he's being dealt are being manipulated to make him lose.

This, I think, is a crucial issue that I've never seen discussed to my satisfaction on any forum or in any report. Yes, I know, online casinos love to brag about all the rewards they've won for high payouts, is there really a single, reliable, honest, verifying service out there that ensures that online casinos deal honestly? Forget about whether they actually pay when you win...how many of them even give you a fair shot at winning?

In my mind, there's nothing stopping the computer from being programmed (or a human being on the other side intervening) to ensure that online casino players lose. As I said, it's hard enough to win at honest blackjack, poker etc. without throwing in the debilitating X factor of dishonest casinos.

I, for one, play sports almost exclusively. Whereas I don't think twice about laying 600, 700, 800 dollars on a sports game (and often more), on those few occasions when I do play the online casinos for a couple minutes, I'm hesitant to ever bet more than 2 bucks, even though I know how to play blackjack. I just don't trust it, and no one's ever demonstrated a reason to think otherwise.

Come to think of it, I'm rather surprised that the U.S. government has never gotten involved in this issue. You keep hearing about the government possibly getting involved to ban online gambling, but that idea is usually bandied about with reference to sportsbetting, and because sportsbetting is illegal in the U.S., not because the books are necessarily dishonest or won't pay. But rigged online casinos are a different story altogether. Although I for one firmly believe the U.S. has no business relegating sportsbooks that are located offshore (provided, of course, that they pay their customers in a timely fashion), a business that aims to bilk American clients out of their money with RIGGED casino games should be prosecuted no matter where they are located. I would think many people would agree with that assertion: since gambling is not illegal in the jurisdictions in which these books/virtual casinos set up shop, the U.S. has no right to prevent people from using their private PCs to access those websites, play/bet the games, and risk their money. But if the casino can be demonstrated to be a sham, with fake games deliberately manipulated to cheat you, then the goverment should get involved. I would imagine that if a mail-order business (having nothing to do with gambling) located offshore bilked customers into sending them money for products that they never shipped, they would probably be prosecuted, or at least money would be prevented from being sent to their address, no matter where they were located.
 

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I have won a $1000 on about four different occasions. Many casinos have their software audited by pricewaterhousecoopers to ensure that they are legit. I'm sure some are fixed but there are many reputable ones online.
 

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most online casinos are "slightly" rigged, by that i mean you will have huge losing streaks and the dealer will make ridiculous draws again and again, however you can win if you hammer your bet when the cards turn, it will happen but it wont last long. i have had sessions where i have lost 19 out of 20 hands and then won 8 or 9 in a row with some ddowns and made over 1000 bucks. But remember is this happens hit and run - it probably wont come again for awile.
 

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Most forms of blackjack have a house advantage of ~0.5% or so, so it's more or less inevitable that you will lose out in the long run. Many people don't play perfect basic strategy, which can expedite your losses. Plus, the basic strategy can change rather dramatically in accordance with the rules of the particular BJ game you're playing (i.e. no. of decks, no. of splits allowed, when doubles allowed, surrender, american/european hole card rule, etc.), and many people just play on without noting these differences.

One of the most important factors in choosing an online casino is the software it employs. There are certain forms of software that have been shown to be most probably rigged (Elka software comes to mind), some that are substantially debated (Playtech), and others that are recognized by most as fair/random (Cryptologic, Microgaming). If bonuses do not matter to you and all you want is a fair BJ game, I would suggest one of the following: Intercasino, Casino on Net, William Hill, Cherry Casino, Lasseters. All of these are very reputable casinos and will pay unfailingly when you win. Just remember that you can have extreme losing streaks even at a fair game, and that you're mathematically destined to lose in the long run no matter what strategies you employ (since you cannot count at an online casinos, with a few exceptions - even then, the shallow deck penetrations make counting a waste of time). I wouldn't recommend playing at sportsbook casinos in general, not necessarily because I think they're rigged but because there are far better and more reputable online casinos out there.
 

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