Here is where they get you...all the numbers are square with most of the software but" the programs they utilize allow the upside at a specific max when the downside on the players end is infinite".In others words you can and will win relatively small amounts but when you lose the house will slaughter you.I think most players will agree.Some programs also delete certain cards on a players pull and/or dealers pull..Dealer pulls at 15 ..several 7,8,9's deleted from deck...This increases odds of pulling other low cards approx 6-8%...When player doubles down several 9,10 ,face cards ommitted...Sad to hear but true...
Anyone who really thinks online blackjack is on the up and up is fooling themselves. Yes you might start out playing $5 hands and win and be up $50 or $100, you might even lose $2500 and then get a hot streak and get half of it back. I guarantee you that if you open a new account and play the first hand of BJ at their max $500 or $1000 or whatever it is, you will ALWAYS lose.
I was reading at MW where a guy claimed he was winning several thousand dollars a day at the same online casino, only losing 1 day out of the whole month. LMAO -- Sorry but BS BS BS BS BS
I was reading at MW where a guy claimed he was winning several thousand dollars a day at the same online casino, only losing 1 day out of the whole month. LMAO -- Sorry but BS BS BS BS BS
I just lost $100 at Pinnacle Casino. Of course when I bet $1.00 I keep on getting blackjacks. I made a little profit and I upped my bets to $5.00. The next thing I knew I lost about 6 hands in a row!!! Didn't win one f*cken hand at $5.00!! Eventually, I lost all of it betting a dollar a hand.
Bottom Line:
Computers are programmed and when you play online casinos you are at the mercy of whatever payout the programmer sets.
It's been years since I even played blackjack, when I did it was across the table from a live dealer and the cards were also very real, and unchangeable. Honest blackjack, not the generated as you play variety.
Computers are programmed and when you play online casinos you are at the mercy of whatever payout the programmer sets.
It's been years since I even played blackjack, when I did it was across the table from a live dealer and the cards were also very real, and unchangeable. Honest blackjack, not the generated as you play variety.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by John_Kerry:
I have seen this.
So many times that I bet say $50 or $75, I will get 11 and the dealer will have a 6 showing. The software is just begging you to double, and every time I do I pull a 2 or a 3 and the dealers 6 turns into gold when he flips over a 5 down. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
originally posted by marco:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Bottom Line:
Computers are programmed and when you play online casinos you are at the mercy of whatever payout the programmer sets.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You 2 just made 2 perfect points........
I have seen this.
So many times that I bet say $50 or $75, I will get 11 and the dealer will have a 6 showing. The software is just begging you to double, and every time I do I pull a 2 or a 3 and the dealers 6 turns into gold when he flips over a 5 down. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
originally posted by marco:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Bottom Line:
Computers are programmed and when you play online casinos you are at the mercy of whatever payout the programmer sets.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You 2 just made 2 perfect points........
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>..Dealer pulls at 15 ..several 7,8,9's deleted from deck...This increases odds of pulling other low cards approx 6-8%...When player doubles down several 9,10 ,face cards ommitted <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>this is consistent with what many have complained about here. its like those cards dont even exist in a lot of situations.
Unless someone does a real statistical analysis, it seems like this is more due to selective memory of remembering the losses and forgetting the wins.
Being a programmer, I can only comment that it makes bad business sense to screw the customers anymore than what the odds of the games dictate.
Being a programmer, I can only comment that it makes bad business sense to screw the customers anymore than what the odds of the games dictate.
Godel, the main problem is that most software can be adjusted with "difficulty levels". There has been one casino manager admit it here in the past, and one I speak with frequently has admitted the same. It's exactly as if someone is playing a video game at home, and as many know, you can have various settings, such as novice, normal, difficult, advanced. These casino "games" or software are no different, especially when you take into account a company is risking & trusting their financial future with such a "game". The fact is, if most offshore casinos could somehow prove that they truly do use a "Random Generator" that cannot be adjusted, then the title would fit more so and it now becomes trustworthy and totally fair.....
Hache and Marco- Your "theory" is incorrect:
Computers are programmed and when you play online casinos you are at the mercy of whatever payout the programmer sets.
1) Payouts are set by the book. Payouts are different from probabilities of occurrance. Example: For Video Poker, there are different payout styles (10/7 or 9/6) and some even offer different payouts for four TWOs vs four ACEs. Given a fair shuffle and deal, the book can adjust the published payouts to control their hold percentage, without cheating on the dealing.
2) If the programmer (and random generator designer) have not made a mistake, then the outcome should match fair cards and dice.
HOWEVER.. the book could choose to cheat.
Passive cheat: Make the deck short a few cards to change the odds. "Shave" the dice.
Active cheat: Select cards to deal based upon your play.
Godel-
As a programmer myself, I agree with both your statements. However, there is one factor that you didn't take into account: software errors
It is possible to just have a typo in your card/dice/roulette software that causes some cards to not appear as often or just not well shuffled. A simple + instead of a - (or an OR instead of an XOR) in the wrong spot. This will usually get detected pretty quick when either the player or the book start holding 70%.
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Computers are programmed and when you play online casinos you are at the mercy of whatever payout the programmer sets.
1) Payouts are set by the book. Payouts are different from probabilities of occurrance. Example: For Video Poker, there are different payout styles (10/7 or 9/6) and some even offer different payouts for four TWOs vs four ACEs. Given a fair shuffle and deal, the book can adjust the published payouts to control their hold percentage, without cheating on the dealing.
2) If the programmer (and random generator designer) have not made a mistake, then the outcome should match fair cards and dice.
HOWEVER.. the book could choose to cheat.
Passive cheat: Make the deck short a few cards to change the odds. "Shave" the dice.
Active cheat: Select cards to deal based upon your play.
Godel-
As a programmer myself, I agree with both your statements. However, there is one factor that you didn't take into account: software errors
It is possible to just have a typo in your card/dice/roulette software that causes some cards to not appear as often or just not well shuffled. A simple + instead of a - (or an OR instead of an XOR) in the wrong spot. This will usually get detected pretty quick when either the player or the book start holding 70%.
Java, if you are a software programmer, then I don't need to tell you that simply every "game" out there today has difficulty settings, whether it be gaming software for you Playstation,XBox, computer, or games that a major company dealing with tons of money uses.It would make absolutely no sense at all for programmers to create simple video games for fun with different difficulty settings, and not even consider it when creating the same software that will be used by a major company with ridiculous amounts of money at risk . I'll just leave it at that, I respect your knowledge and dont want a confrontation, but you're leaving out some of the facts........
Hache-
I understand your point, however for a real programmer (and I mean professional and ethical) there is NO programming of "difficulty levels" for cards/dice/etc. It is a matter of skill and pride to "simulate" reality as closely as possible and good random generation and shuffling algorithms are highly prized. There is such a strong mindset/culture about random math programs, that "difficulty level" isn't even a consideration.
The only kind of "cheat" a good programmer would put in would be a "test" mode to deal himself royal flushes, so he can test the payout code, without having to play a few thousand hands.
That said, an unethical book/programmer could withhold cards or redeal when a royal flush is detected. But that is just out and out cheating (easy to program), and is very different from creating "difficulty levels" (hard to program).
So, I agree that cheating is easy (and possibly rampant) considering the stakes. My point is that "difficulty levels" are the wrong kind of cheat.
I understand your point, however for a real programmer (and I mean professional and ethical) there is NO programming of "difficulty levels" for cards/dice/etc. It is a matter of skill and pride to "simulate" reality as closely as possible and good random generation and shuffling algorithms are highly prized. There is such a strong mindset/culture about random math programs, that "difficulty level" isn't even a consideration.
The only kind of "cheat" a good programmer would put in would be a "test" mode to deal himself royal flushes, so he can test the payout code, without having to play a few thousand hands.
That said, an unethical book/programmer could withhold cards or redeal when a royal flush is detected. But that is just out and out cheating (easy to program), and is very different from creating "difficulty levels" (hard to program).
So, I agree that cheating is easy (and possibly rampant) considering the stakes. My point is that "difficulty levels" are the wrong kind of cheat.
I have to jump in here. The title of the thread says "according to experts" but no such documentation is offered.
Is it possible that some books have software that allows the house to manipulate the odds? Yes. Does that mean that all books do? No.
The only book I can speak with first hand knowledge is WSEX. The WSEX software creates a deck, shuffles, and deals. There are NO payout adjustments, NO difficulty settings, NO "suck in" routines, and NO way to pull cards. It shuffles a deck and deals. That's it.
At the end of every month, it holds slightly better than theoretical, and that's only because most people don't play perfect strategy. Otherwise I am sure it would be holding close to dead theoretical.
Any place that does anything other than shuffle and deal is crooked in my opinion.
What you need to ask yourself is the same question you need to ask yourself when you play at a sportsbook. "Am I playing at an honest, reputable shop?" It can't be yes for sports and no for the casino. They are honest and reputable or they are not.
Is it possible that some books have software that allows the house to manipulate the odds? Yes. Does that mean that all books do? No.
The only book I can speak with first hand knowledge is WSEX. The WSEX software creates a deck, shuffles, and deals. There are NO payout adjustments, NO difficulty settings, NO "suck in" routines, and NO way to pull cards. It shuffles a deck and deals. That's it.
At the end of every month, it holds slightly better than theoretical, and that's only because most people don't play perfect strategy. Otherwise I am sure it would be holding close to dead theoretical.
Any place that does anything other than shuffle and deal is crooked in my opinion.
What you need to ask yourself is the same question you need to ask yourself when you play at a sportsbook. "Am I playing at an honest, reputable shop?" It can't be yes for sports and no for the casino. They are honest and reputable or they are not.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jay C:
What you need to ask yourself is the same question you need to ask yourself when you play at a sportsbook. "Am I playing at an honest, reputable shop?" It can't be yes for sports and no for the casino. They are honest and reputable or they are not. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
VERY sound advice
What you need to ask yourself is the same question you need to ask yourself when you play at a sportsbook. "Am I playing at an honest, reputable shop?" It can't be yes for sports and no for the casino. They are honest and reputable or they are not. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
VERY sound advice
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jay C:
What you need to ask yourself is the same question you need to ask yourself when you play at a sportsbook. "Am I playing at an honest, reputable shop?" It can't be yes for sports and no for the casino. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
With respect, I disagree. Sporting events differ because the one true result is apparent to everyone. BJ hands in an online casino are not externally verifiable.
UT
What you need to ask yourself is the same question you need to ask yourself when you play at a sportsbook. "Am I playing at an honest, reputable shop?" It can't be yes for sports and no for the casino. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
With respect, I disagree. Sporting events differ because the one true result is apparent to everyone. BJ hands in an online casino are not externally verifiable.
UT
