One year ago today I became a vegetarian and now I will try to take it one more step

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I hear that....I actually went vegetarian for health reasons but my GF has been one for 30 years. At first I thought no way can anyone live like this but then she introduced me to hundreds of recipes and I don't miss meat at all. Not sure I can do vegan but I'm going to give it a try but I would be shocked if it lasts more then a few months.

Good Luck Harrington.

You can still mix in some chicken and fish and be fine.

Stay away from the red meat.

I've done it now for essentially for 3 years..........I still have a steak 2-3 times a year too (grass fed cows;).

I just dont eat any ground meat ever.

Lots of chicken, turkey, and fish.

Of all the diet/eating advice Ive heard over the years, the one that has stuck with me is LOW CALORIE AND HIGH NUTRITION!

Anything that is low calorie but provides a ton of nutrients/antioxidants/etc....is the way to go!
 

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well, if you wanna get into it...there's more than two types of fats. and let me ask you, does 1 pound of body weight = 3,500 calories or 3,500 carbohydrates? the reason people gain weight is because of calories (scientifically.) now if you're saying that carbs are more readily available and people can't control eating behaviors, then sure. but weight gain and weight loss is solely based on energy balance (calories in vs. calories out)
Once again you are simply avoiding recent studies that have been done that verify that the Low Carb, high fat, high protein diets have been doing very well when lined up against the low fat, low calorie diet recommended by The american Heart ASS. and The British Heart Ass. The results have been remarkably consistent ! In these trials, subjects would be instructed to eat as much protein and fat as they wanted-as much meat,fish and foul-but to avoid Carbohydrates. They would be compared with subjects who had been instructed not only to eat fewer total calories but particularly to avoid fat and saturated fat.This is what happened to those that ate mostly fat and protein.
1. They lost at least as much weight, if not considerably more.
2. The HDL cholesterol went up. A good thing !
3. Their triglycerides went way down. A fantastic thing !
4. Their blood pressure went down. another good thing.
5.Their total cholesterol remained about the same. neutral
6. The LDL cholesterol went up slightly. bad but very small at less than 1 percent
7. Their risk of having a heart attack decreased significantly.
Every recent study seems to prove the same thing. These are not opinions but facts based on trials and studies. Eat properly and there is not need to count calories. The cutting back on carbs, sugars, flours and fatty processed foods will take care of excess calories.
 

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Of course there are good and bad of everything, including carbs. Good carbs are vital for energy.
 

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never.. not even for a week...

I don't question other peoples choice to do it.. congrats.. but not for me...

I love steaks and chicken.... and my favorite food in the world is a good hamburger...

"mmmm-hmmmm....That IS a tasty burger. My girlfriend is vegetarian, which pretty much makes me vegetarian. But I do love the taste of a good burger."
 

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Of course there are good and bad of everything, including carbs. Good carbs are vital for energy.
100 % correct. Nobody is telling anyone to eat No Carbs. However most Carbs are not good for you so that's why it's smart to eat a Low Carb diet. Learn the difference, right ?
 

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"Hamburgers! The cornerstone of any nutritious breakfast!"
 

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100 % correct. Nobody is telling anyone to eat No Carbs. However most Carbs are not good for you so that's why it's smart to eat a Low Carb diet. Learn the difference, right ?

agree....moderation is the key
 

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"Hamburgers! The cornerstone of any nutritious breakfast!"

Interesting fact is that almost all of a Hamburger is great for you. The only bad part of a hamburger is the bun ! The Meat, lettuce, pickles, tomatoes etc are fine. Of course some of the dressings added might also not be great for you. Lots of the finer Hamburger joints will serve you Hamburgers without the buns if you ask.
 

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agree....moderation is the key
I think you and I agree on more things than you think. I actually feel however that your weight loss just might be as much attributed to your avoiding bad Carbs than becoming a vegetarian. Carbs, sugars, soft drinks, beer, alcohol with the exception of Red wine all lead to obesity. Processed foods and flour based foods are also very bad. However I truly believe that you should pay more attention to the many recent studies and clinical trials that have shown that eating meat, fish and foul are great for you.
 

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But I've noticed as long as I exercise, I can eat anything I want. Granted, I do eat healthy 98% of the time and I'm only 24 so my metabolism is still solid.
 

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I think you and I agree on more things than you think. I actually feel however that your weight loss just might be as much attributed to your avoiding bad Carbs than becoming a vegetarian. Carbs, sugars, soft drinks, beer, alcohol with the exception of Red wine all lead to obesity. Processed foods and flour based foods are also very bad. However I truly believe that you should pay more attention to the many recent studies and clinical trials that have shown that eating meat, fish and foul are great for you.

Actually I think you are dead on. I don't really avoid meat because it is bad for you it's just easier to eat what my GF makes and the fact that she gives great head doesn't hurt.......
 

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Actually I think you are dead on. I don't really avoid meat because it is bad for you it's just easier to eat what my GF makes and the fact that she gives great head doesn't hurt.......

No comment !:lolBIG:
 

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Once again you are simply avoiding recent studies that have been done that verify that the Low Carb, high fat, high protein diets have been doing very well when lined up against the low fat, low calorie diet recommended by The american Heart ASS. and The British Heart Ass. The results have been remarkably consistent ! In these trials, subjects would be instructed to eat as much protein and fat as they wanted-as much meat,fish and foul-but to avoid Carbohydrates. They would be compared with subjects who had been instructed not only to eat fewer total calories but particularly to avoid fat and saturated fat.This is what happened to those that ate mostly fat and protein.
1. They lost at least as much weight, if not considerably more.
2. The HDL cholesterol went up. A good thing !
3. Their triglycerides went way down. A fantastic thing !
4. Their blood pressure went down. another good thing.
5.Their total cholesterol remained about the same. neutral
6. The LDL cholesterol went up slightly. bad but very small at less than 1 percent
7. Their risk of having a heart attack decreased significantly.
Every recent study seems to prove the same thing. These are not opinions but facts based on trials and studies. Eat properly and there is not need to count calories. The cutting back on carbs, sugars, flours and fatty processed foods will take care of excess calories.

i'm not avoiding anything, as i don't discredit all studies (some actually do prove to work.) you're bypassing the simplicity of what i am saying...the ONLY thing that matters in a pound gained vs a pound lost is the balance of 3,500 total calories per pound. the way people choose to go about it through their diet and exercise is up to them...but i pose this question to you: why should a gram of carbohydrate be avoided more-so than a gram of fat?
 

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i'm not avoiding anything, as i don't discredit all studies (some actually do prove to work.) you're bypassing the simplicity of what i am saying...the ONLY thing that matters in a pound gained vs a pound lost is the balance of 3,500 total calories per pound. the way people choose to go about it through their diet and exercise is up to them...but i pose this question to you: why should a gram of carbohydrate be avoided more-so than a gram of fat?
Impartial recent clinical trials and studies done by reputable agencies like The American Heart Ass., Stanford U, Harvard, Cal at Berkeley provide Information, facts and findings that should be trusted and offer some new insights into a lot of older beliefs and Myths that no longer stand up against new findings. As I have mentioned already, all of these recent studies have shown very clearly that the Meateaters combined with low Carbs type diets have been scoring very well against every diet including the Vegetarian diet. Proponents don't even refer to them as diets as you are allowed to eat as much meat,fish, foul, protein and good healthy food until you are full... Just don't over eat once you are full.
Simplicity you say ? The correct answer regarding the full ramifications of Carbs, fats, calories and proteins take up 25 pages in almost any book or study. I'm not going to bore people with A Calorie in/calorie out approach hasn't worked for over 50 years now which is proven by the populations ever increasing obesity. You want simple ? Simple is the known fact that if you eat less and exercise more = Hungry ! It has never changed and I doubt it ever will. That is exactly why most people can't stick with most diets ! Eat properly and you will have no need to count calories ! I'm not telling you or anyone how they should eat but I'm just trying to tell those that care that there is some very real, eye opening studies that dispute some of the old myths.
Now you can eat whatever makes you feel good and happy. My wife and I will soon be heading to Billy Bob's steak house to enjoy a delicious Filet Mignon burried in Gorgonzolo cheese. I will still be 70 years old, weigh 170 lbs and I will most likely be able to run a 5 k run faster than about 99 % of the world's population that are 70 or older. I have already taken first in a 5 k run for my age group and beat the guy who won the age group 5 years younger than me by over 3 minutes.
 

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Impartial recent clinical trials and studies done by reputable agencies like The American Heart Ass., Stanford U, Harvard, Cal at Berkeley provide Information, facts and findings that should be trusted and offer some new insights into a lot of older beliefs and Myths that no longer stand up against new findings. As I have mentioned already, all of these recent studies have shown very clearly that the Meateaters combined with low Carbs type diets have been scoring very well against every diet including the Vegetarian diet. Proponents don't even refer to them as diets as you are allowed to eat as much meat,fish, foul, protein and good healthy food until you are full... Just don't over eat once you are full.
Simplicity you say ? The correct answer regarding the full ramifications of Carbs, fats, calories and proteins take up 25 pages in almost any book or study. I'm not going to bore people with A Calorie in/calorie out approach hasn't worked for over 50 years now which is proven by the populations ever increasing obesity. You want simple ? Simple is the known fact that if you eat less and exercise more = Hungry ! It has never changed and I doubt it ever will. That is exactly why most people can't stick with most diets ! Eat properly and you will have no need to count calories ! I'm not telling you or anyone how they should eat but I'm just trying to tell those that care that there is some very real, eye opening studies that dispute some of the old myths.
Now you can eat whatever makes you feel good and happy. My wife and I will soon be heading to Billy Bob's steak house to enjoy a delicious Filet Mignon burried in Gorgonzolo cheese. I will still be 70 years old, weigh 170 lbs and I will most likely be able to run a 5 k run faster than about 99 % of the world's population that are 70 or older. I have already taken first in a 5 k run for my age group and beat the guy who won the age group 5 years younger than me by over 3 minutes.


I congratulate your cardiorespiratory abilities my good sir. However, regardless of what your personal thoughts about carbohydrate diets and calories, modern research proves that if you ingest 3,500 more calories than you burn, you will gain a pound of body weight...i'm saying only that, do you find that to be untrue? Because it's science. That's all i've been saying in this thread. I will trust my education with an accredited degree here.
 

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your wasting your time zjp. kermit does not know how to have a discussion. no matter what you say he will just keep repeating his one point. he is impossible.
 

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your wasting your time zjp. kermit does not know how to have a discussion. no matter what you say he will just keep repeating his one point. he is impossible.

Haha I see that...maybe it's the old-timer in him
 

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I congratulate your cardiorespiratory abilities my good sir. However, regardless of what your personal thoughts about carbohydrate diets and calories, modern research proves that if you ingest 3,500 more calories than you burn, you will gain a pound of body weight...i'm saying only that, do you find that to be untrue? Because it's science. That's all i've been saying in this thread. I will trust my education with an accredited degree here.
First off, congrats on your degree and your education.
Secondly, I agree with your Math !
This thread is about a person losing weight on a Vegetarian Diet and it sounds like He did.
Gary Taubes is a brilliant scientist and a well acclaimed Author. He wrote 2 books " Good Calories, Bad Calories " and his latest is " Why We get Fat ". He was educated at Harvard, Stanford and Columbia. I encourage health minded people to read it. Many of my friends have already read it and they really have benefitted from his findings. You seem to be a very intelligent person. I would love it if you would read it and get your thoughts back on it.
 

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This is from his first book. Pretty interesting to say the least


The book explains that:

1. The 'calories in, calories out' mantra is a myth

2. 'A calorie is a calorie is a calorie' is a myth

3. The 'just eat less and do more exercise to lose weight' message seems to be logical but is actually wrong and unhelpful

4. Overweight and obese people often eat no more calories, or even less, than their thinner counterparts

5. Low calorie diets also reduce the amount of nutrients in the diet

6. It is a myth that the brain and CNS needs 120 - 130 grams of carbohydrate as fuel in order to function properly, as the body can use fat and protein equally as well, and these fuels are likely the mixture our brains have evolved to prefer.

7. Restricting calories with a low fat/high carb diet just makes you hungrier and more lethargic and slows your metabolic rate. Weight loss is only maintained if the patients stays on a semi-starvation diet forever, which is impossible for most people and also undesirable. Being far more active just makes you far more hungry.

8. It is a myth that reducing calories slightly or increasing activity slightly will lead to weight loss.

9. It is a myth that we evolved through periods of feast and famine to be very good at holding onto fat. Fat gain is due to excessive insulin levels caused by high dietary refined carbohydrate intake. It is a sign of something in the body going wrong, not a healthy adaptation.

10. Fructose is not much better than glucose and the two together may cause more harm than either individually.

11. The idea of a weight 'set point' is a myth

12. Insulin is the overall fuel control for mammals. High insulin levels cause the body to store fat and stop the body from using fat as fuel. This means that high carbohydrate foods make you put on more fat, and also leave you still feeling very hungry and unsatisfied.

13. Our bodies have evolved to do best on a diet of plentiful fat and protein (including saturated fat), lots of greens and minimal fruits and starchy vegetables. This diet is the best for health and also for losing weight and stopping weight gain.

14. Dietary fat, including saturated fat, is not a cause of obesity. Refined and easily digestible carbs causing high insulin levels cause obesity.

15. To say that people are overweight due to gluttony and slothfulness is just not correct and it is very unfair. Overeating and a sedentary lifestyle are often CAUSED by eating a high carbohydrate diet! This association has wrongly been interpreted as a cause of weight gain, rather than an effect.

16. Hunger caused by eating a high carbohydrate diet (or excessive exercising while on a low calorie diet) is a very strong physiological drive and should not be thought of something mild and psychological that can be overcome with willpower. This is something serious occurring in the body, not the brain!

Thus psychological 'treatments' for obesity are inappropriate and cruel. Most people are overweight due to bad medical advice, NOT a lack of willpower, greed, laziness or because they lack 'moral fibre'

17. People have different insulin secretory responses. Even if insulin secretion is slightly off, weight gain can occur.

18. Eating large amounts of a high sugar and high fat food like popcorn is easy because the body will not use most of the carbohydrate and fat for immediate fuel but will store much of it as fat - leaving you able to eat a lot of it and still be hungry a short time later as well.

19. Eating foods with a large bulk or high in fibre wont fill you up, you need the correct proportion of macronutrients and will stay hungry until you get them.

20. Those advocating the low calorie and high carb diets for health and weight loss are not involved in legitimate science. These approaches are not supported by the evidence.
 

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your wasting your time zjp. kermit does not know how to have a discussion. no matter what you say he will just keep repeating his one point. he is impossible.



i used to think that ...but now i give up so i agree or if i dont i keep my mouth shut.

jk. kermey!!
 

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