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And some not very smart people that voted for Bush are voting for Mccain??



Bush wants OK to spend $700B

Bailout proposal sent to Congress seeks authorization to spend as much as $700 billion to buy troubled mortgages.
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<!-- CONTENT --><!-- REAP --><!--startclickprintexclude--><STYLE type=text/css><!--#crisiswallstreetwidget {border:1px solid #ebebeb;width:218px;margin-bottom:10px;text-align:left;}#crisiswallstreetwidget .hedBox {background: #FAA url(http://i.cdn.turner.com/money/.element/img/1.0/sections/news/ie_bg_218.gif) no-repeat; font: bold 16px Arial; height: 38px; padding-top: 8px; text-align: center;}html>body #crisiswallstreetwidget .hedBox {height: 30px;}#crisiswallstreetwidget .hedBox a {color: #000; text-decoration: none;}#crisiswallstreetwidget .HeadlineList {padding:6px 10px;}#crisiswallstreetwidget .HeadlineList a {font:normal 12px Arial;color:#004276;text-decoration:none;}#crisiswallstreetwidget .HeadlineList a:hover {color:#004276;text-decoration:underline;}#crisiswallstreetwidget .HeadlineList ul {list-style-type: none; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;}#crisiswallstreetwidget .HeadlineList li {background: url(http://i.cdn.turner.com/money/.element/img/2.0/buttons/bullet-black.gif) no-repeat 0px 12px; line-height: 12px; padding: 5px 0px 0px 8px;}--></STYLE>NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- President Bush asked Congress on Saturday for the authority to spend as much as $700 billion to purchase troubled mortgage assets and contain the financial crisis.



The legislative proposal - the centerpiece of what would be the most sweeping economic intervention by the government since the Great Depression - was sent by the White House overnight to lawmakers. (Read the text here.)
The plan matches the scope of the problem, Bush said.
"It is a big package because it's a big problem," Bush told reporters at a news conference. "The risk of doing nothing far outweighs the risk of the package."
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, lawmakers and their aides are expected to work through the weekend in an effort to craft a bill swiftly. Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill said they expect the bill to go before a vote within days.
Paulson, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and other officials have said in recent days that the lack of easy credit between banks and other financial institutions threatens to inflict serious damage on the economy if not addressed immediately.
The plan would allow the Treasury to buy up mortgage-related assets.
The aim is for the government to buy the securities at a discount, hold onto them and then sell them for a profit.
This proposal has been compared to the Resolution Trust Corp., which was put in place during the savings and loan crisis to administer and sell assets from failed thrifts.
However, experts say the Treasury's plan is more akin to the Home Owners' Loan Corp., put in place in 1933 to stem foreclosures and help refinance defaulting mortgages and boost banks' liquidity.
The mortgage plan is part of an extraordinary effort by the federal government to contain a financial crisis that has forced a major realignment on Wall Street and has started rippling out to Main Street.
In the past week, two of the nation's most venerable investment banks - Lehman Brothers (LEH, Fortune 500) and Merrill Lynch (MER, Fortune 500) - have fallen and the Federal Reserve was forced to lend $85 billion to prevent the sudden collapse of insurance giant American International Group (AIG, Fortune 500).
Meanwhile, mainstay financial institutions are scrambling to raise cash and shore up their books as lending has frozen up and investor confidence has sunk.
Raising the debt ceiling, judging the cost
The administration's proposal also requests that Congress authorize an increase to the nation's debt ceiling. Currently, it's set to rise to $10.6 trillion for fiscal year 2009 - which runs from October 2008 through September 2009. But the proposal requests that limit be increased to $11.315 trillion to allow for the purchases of mortgage-backed assets.
The debt limit is a ceiling on how much debt the federal government is allowed to take on. Budget experts say it acts as a break on spending mostly because of political pressure, because lawmakers don't like to vote to raise it. Lawmakers are free to change it if they have reason, however.
The cost of the bailout to taxpayers may hinge on the price at which the Treasury buys the mortgage securities.
"The government could make a profit, a substantial profit," said Jaret Seiberg, a financial services analyst at the Stanford Group, a policy research firm. "The pricing mechanism is going to be central."
The jury is still out on whether the proposal will fix the financial crisis, although experts are cautiously optimistic the plan will help the housing crisis. It will help banks shore up their balance sheets by removing hard-to-value assets. This would address the seemingly endless rounds of writedowns and capital raising that have been rocking the financial sector.
Without these bad loans weighing on their books, banks may be more willing to lend. Or at least that's the goal.
The problem is that the bailout will not automatically make banks profitable, nor can it immediately stop the slide in home values that is wreaking havoc on the economy.
Reaction on the Hill
Key lawmakers and their staffers will be in talks about the proposal with Treasury staff over the weekend. Although they've said they don't want the negotiations to turn the bill into a "Christmas tree" of provisions, Democrats are concerned that there be measures included to protect taxpayers and help homeowners directly.
In a statement Saturday, Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., co-chairman of the Joint Economic Committee, called the proposal "a good foundation ... that can stabilize markets quickly."
"But it includes no visible protection for taxpayers or homeowners," Schumer said. "We look forward to talking to Treasury to see what, if anything, they have in mind in these two areas."
House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said the economy is facing "unprecedented financial challenges that could imperil the bank accounts, retirement savings, and jobs of countless Americans." He called on fellow lawmakers to "work together to solve this crisis."
Treasury officials briefed congressional staffers Saturday on the details of the plan. An hour-long closed-door meeting was attended by about 25 top aides to the congressional leadership from both parties as well as the key committee aides who will oversee the new program. At least one White House legislative affairs staffer was also in the meeting.
One Democratic aide, who also declined to be named, said the plan is "complicated" and the Treasury officials were "very forthcoming" about how the plan will work.
"No one likes it," the aide said. "But everyone knows we need it."
In the House, Conservative Republican lawmakers who groused earlier this week about "bailout mania" gripping Washington held a conference call to discuss the plan.
"We believe it is as dire as Paulson says it is," one of the lawmakers, who asked not to be identified, told CNN. "We think it is a fait accompli and don't have the wherewithal to stop it."
While it may not be stopped, some expect it still may be amended.
"Stability benefits everyone, but there is little in the bill that lawmakers can point to and say that this will aid their constituents," said Seiberg, the banking expert. "That is why we expect other provisions to get added by Congress, such as a clause that clearly states that Treasury has an obligation to try to restructure troubled mortgages that it acquires."
Indeed, after a conference call Saturday afternoon with other House Democratic leaders, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said in a statement that Democrats would seek to "insulate Main Street from Wall Street and keep people in their homes by reducing mortgage foreclosures."
"(We) will strengthen the proposal by ensuring that the government is accountable to the taxpayers in any future actions under this broad grant of authority, implementing strong oversight mechanisms, and establishing fast-track authority for the Congress to act on responsible regulatory reform," Pelosi said.

CNN congressional producers Deirdre Walsh and Ted Barrett, correspondent Kate Bolduan and CNNMoney.com senior writer Tami Luhby contributed to this report. First Published: September 20, 2008: 9:44 AM EDT
 

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well all they have to do is vote no right?
 

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Yep.. but when they all work for the same paychecks and campaign contributions from the banks its gonna be hard to say no..
 

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democrats wouldn't do that...


if they just vote no that would be enough to block it right?
 

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vote no? that's thee funniest thing I've heard this week.

The chances of Congress voting no is the same as hitting a 12 teamer. Everything I've heard is that the Dems in Congress want more. They want to bailout all the morons in foreclosure. Probably want to bail out the babysitter's who had their hours cut back since the neighbors quit going out on the weekends.
 

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That's what you get with a Democratic Congress & Senate yet everyone blames "W".
 

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Might as well you necons have been blameing Bubba for 7 1/2 years and I just want him back.




One I am not a neocon.

two Why does congress always get a free pass. They are the ones that was watching Fannie and Freddie not W.


Three Clinton who I voted for the second time. Clinton was more to the middle than the radical lefty Obama. Do you know how corupt Chicago is. ILL is a broke ass state that is barely functioning.
 

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This congress must be the most efficient group of politicians I have ever heard of. In 20 months they have destroyed the world despite Dubya's power of veto. Just like Bubba he fucked everything up despite a republican congress.

You GOP's better nominate and elect some better people. The ones you send up there just aint cutting it.
 

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Is not Barny Frank in charge of Freddie and Fannie??????????????

I think so. See you just can't call out the liberal policies that ruin this country. You libs will never learn anything.

The repubs need to get back to what they are supposed to do. Conservatives have lost thier way.
 

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Is not Barny Frank in charge of Freddie and Fannie??????????????

I think so. See you just can't call out the liberal policies that ruin this country. You libs will never learn anything.

The repubs need to get back to what they are supposed to do. Conservatives have lost thier way.

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One last F U from Tricky Dickey as well.

Claiming, one last time, that rules, laws and regulations dont apply to him

Federal judge orders Cheney to preserve VP records
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<!-- end storyhdr -->WASHINGTON - A federal judge on Saturday ordered Dick Cheney to preserve a wide range of the records from his time as vice president.
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The decision by U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly is a setback for the Bush administration in its effort to promote a narrow definition of materials that must be safeguarded under by the Presidential Records Act.
The Bush administration's legal position "heightens the court's concern" that some records may not be preserved, said the judge.
A private group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, is suing Cheney and the Executive Office of the President in an effort to ensure that no presidential records are destroyed or handled in a way that makes them unavailable to the public.
In a 22-page opinion, the judge revealed that in recent days, lawyers for the Bush administration balked at a proposed agreement between the two sides on how to proceed with the case.
Cheney and the other defendants in the case "were only willing to agree to a preservation order that tracked their narrowed interpretation" of the Presidential Records Act, wrote Kollar-Kotelly.
The administration, said the judge, wanted any court order on what records are at issue in the suit to cover only the office of the vice president, not Cheney or the other defendants in the lawsuit. The other defendants include the National Archives and the archivist of the United States.
In response to the ruling, Cheney spokesman James R. Hennigan said that "we will not have any comment on pending litigation."
The lawsuit stems from Cheney's position that his office is not part of the executive branch of government.
This summer, Cheney chief of staff David Addington told Congress the vice president belongs to neither the executive nor legislative branch of government, but rather is attached by the Constitution to Congress. The vice president presides over the Senate.
The lawsuit alleges that the Bush administration's actions over the past 7 1/2 years raise questions over whether the White House will turn over records created by Cheney and his staff to the National Archives in January.
In 2003, Cheney asserted that the office of the vice president is not an entity within the executive branch.
Two historians and three groups of historians and archivists joined CREW in filing the suit two weeks ago.
 

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Let me summarize the Bush Admin off the top of my head....

Long vacation ..... 9/11 ..... Patriot Act ...... Iraq War ...... Abu Ghraib ...... Guanatanmo .......Enron ........ Plamegate ......Halliburton ........ Hurricane Katrina ........ Terri Schiavo ........ Walter Reed ......... Harriet Miers .......... Dubai Ports .......... warrantless wiretapping ........ torture .......... Osama Biden Laden .......... Housing Bubble ........... Bank Collapse.

Have a scratched the surface? If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, pisses like a duck, craps like a duck.....

Who still supports this guy?
 

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Let me summarize the Bush Admin off the top of my head....

Long vacation ..... 9/11 ..... Patriot Act ...... Iraq War ...... Abu Ghraib ...... Guanatanmo .......Enron ........ Plamegate ......Halliburton ........ Hurricane Katrina ........ Terri Schiavo ........ Walter Reed ......... Harriet Miers .......... Dubai Ports .......... warrantless wiretapping ........ torture .......... Osama Biden Laden .......... Housing Bubble ........... Bank Collapse.

Have a scratched the surface? If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, pisses like a duck, craps like a duck.....

Who still supports this guy?

oh hey man.. its the Democrats fault and Libs... You didnt know that? It goes back to Bill Clinton.. no Jimmy Carter... its all their faults...Its NEVER EVER a Republicans fault.. :103631605 :lol:
 

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kind of got off track here...original subject of thread was bush's final f you to everyone...

once again if it is so bad won't congress just vote no?just because bush proposed it doesn't mean it is law...

think of it this way...this could be the way congress could pass a big ol' f you to bush on his way out...correct?
 

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kind of got off track here...original subject of thread was bush's final f you to everyone...

once again if it is so bad won't congress just vote no?just because bush proposed it doesn't mean it is law...

think of it this way...this could be the way congress could pass a big ol' f you to bush on his way out...correct?


Ive heard this is hugely bipartisian.
 

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if bush were paying for any of the wars they would all be over. but he is just borrowing and printing money to cover it. He is ruining americas middle class!

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Let me summarize the Bush Admin off the top of my head....

Long vacation ..... 9/11 ..... Patriot Act ...... Iraq War ...... Abu Ghraib ...... Guanatanmo .......Enron ........ Plamegate ......Halliburton ........ Hurricane Katrina ........ Terri Schiavo ........ Walter Reed ......... Harriet Miers .......... Dubai Ports .......... warrantless wiretapping ........ torture .......... Osama Biden Laden .......... Housing Bubble ........... Bank Collapse.

Have a scratched the surface? If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, pisses like a duck, craps like a duck.....

Who still supports this guy?

Democrat controlled Congress, Democrat controlled Senate,
Congress approval ratings worst in history, Congress widely
considered the worst ever. Oh, but all of the above is all
'W''s fault.

Enron, housing bubble, bank collapse... give me a fucking break.

Just blame everything on W.

W has had his problems, but for you libs to blame him for all this crap
is just plain ignorant.
 

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