on the news...the black guy that sucker punched the white guy

[sphincter]

i don`t believe that guy is getting charged with MISDEMEANOR assault.....

lawyers help me out here...what does this mean?.....

if the scumbag that threw the punch knew what he was doing,he could very easily have killed the dude that was minding his own business...the criminal that threw the punch, threw it like he was throwing a ball sidearm....thusly,losing his shoulder and body torque.......it was almost more of a slap with a closed fist....if that punch was thrown correctly at an unaware victim,it could have caused enough trauma to kill him....


lucky for the innocent fella....but even though the criminal proved he couldn`t fight his way out of a paper bag,the guy could have fallen and hit his head....

what is the potential penalty for misdemweanor assault?.....

i`ll be seriously pissed if that coward doesn`t do hard time.....hitting an unsuspecting person with a punch he`s not expecting can be every bit as dangerous as hitting him with a baseball bat...if done properly....

he `s very lucky he punches like a sissy....he could have had a murder rap on his hands....


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[go2guy]

He'll get a fine and community service.

 

[sphincter]

btw...i described the individuals in the way that i did because,basically,it was accurate.....one was black and one was white...one is obviously a criminal...one was an innocent bystander....i am drawing no correlation to their race....although,if this were the other way around,it would be determined to be a hate crime and, probably,a felony...

 

[GringoinCR]

Come on, it was one punch. You can die slipping in your bathroom. Many people do each year. I don't think you can lock someone because he hit someone, once.

 

[linx]

I think Sphincter got a point.We can let this dude get away that easy .What if it was you the one gettin` the punch.Shit I would go after the ****er I giving more than just a punch.

 

[sphincter]

gringo....you are obviously kidding....if i sucker punched you or anybody else that cleanly,you will be doing time in the hospital for more than a day....that`s an absolute...

the nature of the crime....the randomness of the violence...and filming it....that should get that coward at least 6 months in jail...and that`s lenient.....and maybe another couple months on general principle....for punching like a girl...

i hope for your sake,they have a more realistic justice system in costa rica than in the u.s.....one of america`s real weaknesses....imo...

 

[GringoinCR]

I still don't see what the big deal is. Did the guy suffer some injury that will affect the rest of his life? He took a punch. Personally I think that gives him the right to give this guy a good ass beating. Now if he was knocked out, he will have to take care of that some time down the road.

I can see him spending a bit of time in jail. One or two weeks. But 6 - 8 months? The time doesn't seem to fit the crime.

As for costa rica. Here you could be robbed at gun point. If you are really lucky, I mean really lucky, the cops catch the guy. If you have been here a while you know the deal. The guy will be back on the street in an hour or two. If you like, the cops will let you beat the shit out of the guy in police station. That is the only form of "justice" you will get here.

Listen, 10 years ago, the car I was in was hit head on. The other driver was going around 100 mph in a 35. It was on prospect ave in CT. Anyone that knows the road is asking how you can drive that speed there. He was in our lane trying to pass a couple more cars. He was in a Mitsubishi Eclispe. We were in a Volvo 760. The skid marks were 140 feet long. It was an offset collision. The two passenger sides hit. I was the front passenger. About 1.5 hours later, they fire department managed to cut me out of the car with the jaws of life. I was airlifted to Hartford Hospital.

My right femur was crushed. Not broken. It had been crushed. If you saw the X ray for about 3 inches it looked like a handful of powder. My colar bone was broken from the force of the seat belt. My left arm was broken. My front tooth was broken. My right ankle was dislocated. I had a concussion and brain damage. At the time they did not know if it was permanent.

I have a rod in my right leg now. It is pinned at the knee and hip. It took me 8 months of painful physical therapy to learn to how to walk again. Anyone know how it feels to finally get the green light from the doc, after months, that you can put weight on your leg again? Then you stand there and realise that your brain has actually forgot how to send signals to those muscles to move that leg??? You stand there for one hour thinking why won't the damn thing move.

It's not a fun experience to go through.

What's the bottom line of this story? The kid driving the Eclipse got accelerated rehabilitation. Which means he got nothing. It means the accident doesn't even show up in his record. It doesn't exist, never happened.

I almost forgot to mention, since the cars impacted on the passenger's side, the driver of the Eclipse walked away from the accident with no injurys.

Justice? The system sucks everywhere.

Did I ever take a baseball bat to this guys head? I should have, but by the time I recovered I was able to let it go.

I went to his court trial where they let him off free and clear. I was still in a wheel chair at the time. Cocky asshole didn't even have the common decency to say sorry.

 

[sphincter]

gringo....that`s some horror story.....my sincere condolences.......i hope you are o.k. now(though it sounds as though you were permanently disabled)........i`m not making light of your misfortune,but,if you had a decent lawyer,i`m sure you got compensated fairly handsomely....not that that mitigates your suffering....i know it doesn`t come close...

my point on the punch was basically the absolute lack of reason behind basically trying to injure another human being for kicks....i doubt that the guy that hit you set out that day to ruin someone else`s life....these guys thought it was a kick to film a guy getting maimed for no reason..they set out that day with INTENT to hurt an innocent....no robbery....no vendetta....just sheer brutality without rhyme or reason....for kicks.......i think a message needs to be delivered here....

what if the guy had a heart condition?...was coming from a chemotherapy session?......was in compromised health for one reason or another.....the sheer viciousness,brutality and lack of reason involved is enough for me to pop a cap in that s.o.b.`s ass..i`d love a shot at that m.f.`er.....what if it was your father,sister,brother,mother,son or daughter?.....

INTENT.....


i don`t get your take on this....

 

[GringoinCR]

When you are young, things heal pretty well. I was 19 or 20 at the time of the accident. My right leg is about 1 inch shorter than my left. But my body has adapted to it. I don't walk with a limp unless I'm really tired. So basically I did recover 100%.

I did get a good chunk of change. Overall I think lawyers charge way too much. Why should they get one third? One third in my case was 6 figures.

I guess I didn't hear the whole story about this guy getting hit. I didn't know they just went out to make some sort of "asshole" video. With that in mind they both should get some thinking time. Let them sit in a cell for a year and see how much fun they have.

I remember reading in one of the gun magazines years ago, I don't remember which one. An off duty cop was walking on the street minding his business when an ex con walked up to him and punched him in the nose. He hit the cop so hard it broke his nose and threw him backwards. The cop drew his off duty 357, while he was falling and put six shots in the guy's torso. Anyone with a consealed carry permit knows the rules of deadly force. Because the cop was hit so hard, he legally is considered handicapped at that point. A handicapped person can use deadly force against an unarmed attacker. He was found not guilty. It's nice to see the system work once in awhile.

On a side note, about the laws of using deadly force, much of it is in a grey area.

 

[kayaman+]

If it was that premeditated and everything with the video, I would say the kid should get about six months in maximum security to let him think about his actions and suffer a little of the other side of senseless violence.

The cop that Gringo in Cr mentions totally sounds to me like excessive force. Six shots to the chest for a punch in the nose??? I've had my nose broken 3 times, it hurts but it's not that big a deal. If the guy really felt weakened or in danger and the other guy showed no sign of pulling a weapon one cap in the hip would have been plenty. Although I admit that with the guy being an ex-con I'm not taking into consideration that maybe the cop knew him, knew he was dangerous, or that it could have been personal.

 

[GringoinCR]

Kaya, things happen very quickly. The cop did know the ex convict. He was the one that arrested the ex con and sent him to federal pen. I should have mentioned that. Being locked up for years, the cons build up some serious muscle. The cops main part of his defense was he thought from the force of the blow and the fact that his head was going to hit the concrete sidewalk, he was going to be knocked out. He really didn't have time to think about the situation. I'm figuring as he was falling, he just pulled the trigger as many times as he could, which was at least 6 times.

Turns out the cop was right. By the time the paramedics arrived on the scene, he was still out cold from the concussion.

 

[kayaman+]

That info definately makes his actions much more justifiable.

I must say that the whole story seems a little odd to me even still. You take a hard straight on shot, assuming straight on because it was to the nose, so you've got at least a second to see it coming. You've still got the wits about you to pull your gun and pop off six shots, but not enough to take the fall without hitting your head on the ground hard enough to be knocked out. Also I believe cops get trained in self defense. I'm not trying to argue any point or be judgemental here. I've got a little experience, boxing, kick boxing. IMO, the cop's defense that he knew he would hit his head on the ground seems a little suspicious.

 

[sphincter]

assault a cop.....you deserve whatever you get....anybody that walks up and sucker punches a cop has to know there`s a chance he`s gonna pay a price....to not know that would make you an utter moron....

if you are gonna take the shot,be man enough to take and accept consequences....

uhhhhh....cops carry guns....even off duty cops...

duhhhhhh

 

[kayaman+]

You're right on that Sphincter, not phucking with cops is just common sense.

This reminds me of a story of my dad's. This is back in the late 60's early 70's. This friend of my Dad has to appear in court for something I don't remember what, bar brawl, resisting arrest, something like that. Turns out to be a pretty steep fine and the guy is like, "Jesus! How much would it have been if I had just hit the son of a bitch?", refering to the arresting officer that was there in the court room. The judge says it would have been an extra hundred, two hundred, not sure, which the guy promptly slaps down on the bench, turns around and decks the cop.
Supposedly a true story.

 

[GringoinCR]

Kaya, if you have been knocked out a few times in the past, you can feel yourself fading out. Kind of like a pilot that is taught to deal with positive and negative g forces.

Bottom line here is, the ex con had a beef with the cop. The cop probably noticed him, reconised him, as the punch was being thrown. I have to assume this was not a small guy. If it was you in that position, what would you do? If I could have pulled it off, I would have done the same thing. Who knows what the guys intentions were. Would he have left the cop there? Would he have killed him? No one knows what was going on in his head. Personally I'm glad no one got the chance to find out.

 

[kayaman+]

Gringo,

I would have reacted differently, but what I would have done isn't really relevant.

As far as feeling yourself fading, I know what you mean there. I thought the cop's claim was that he knew the cement hitting his head would knock him out, it's very difficult to knock someone out by punching the nose.

I agree the cop did what any cop would probably do. I also realize that as soon as the guy started with a cop he was subject anything.

 

[darwinmobley]

I did a little boxing in college, let me hit you in the nose a let's see if I can't knock you out kaya man even if you're expecting it! Did you know that if you push up on the front of the nose, you will be able to push it up into the brain therefore killing your oponent. Any questions?

is that right!

 

[kayaman+]

No questions but maybe a little schooling.

I didn't say impossible did I? I said difficult. Personally and off hand, I can't think of one instance that I've ever seen anyone knocked out by a blow to the nose.
As far as the nose into the brain, that is a myth. As my martial arts instructor explained, it's cartilage, it bends or breaks. How often do noses get broken against steering wheels in car accidents, ever heard of anyone dying from it? There is, however, a technique used by British Commandos in which through TWO strikes the nose cartilage is driven into the brain. First a knife hand strike is used in a downward motion on the bridge of the nose, then a palm heal follows upward driving the severed, sunken cartilage into the brain. Any questions?