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On the cusp of the “most spectacular” victory against Al-Qaeda

posted at 10:50 am on July 6, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Did you know that the US and Iraq will shortly conclude “one of the most spectacular victories of the war on terror”? You wouldn’t if you read American newspapers or watched American television. The Times of London reports on the approaching end of al-Qaeda in Iraq as the forces of Nouri al-Maliki and the US close the trap on 1,200 AQ terrorists in Mosul:
After being forced from its strongholds in the west and centre of Iraq in the past two years, Al-Qaeda’s dwindling band of fighters has made a defiant “last stand” in the northern city of Mosul.

A huge operation to crush the 1,200 fighters who remained from a terrorist force once estimated at more than 12,000 began on May 10.

Operation Lion’s Roar, in which the Iraqi army combined forces with the Americans’ 3rd Armoured Cavalry Regiment, has already resulted in the death of Abu Khalaf, the Al-Qaeda leader, and the capture of more than 1,000 suspects.
<!--#include file="m63-article-related-attachements.html"--><!-- BEGIN: Module - M63 - Article Related Attachements --> <script type="text/javascript"><!-- function pictureGalleryPopup(pubUrl,articleId) { var newWin = window.open(pubUrl+\\\'template/2.0-0/element/pictureGalleryPopup.jsp?id=\\\'+articleId+\\\'&&offset=0&&sectionName=WorldIraq\\\',\\\'mywindow\\\',\\\'menubar=0,resizable=0,width=615,height=655\\\'); } //--></script> <!-- BEGIN: Comment Teaser Module -->How significant will victory in Mosul be? The American commander in the region, Gen. Mark Hertling, calls it “the irreversible point”. It will deprive AQ of an urban base and put them at the mercy of tribal leaders in the countryside. For the terrorists, that means certain death — which will likely force them to find a way out of Iraq without further incident.

Maliki has declared that the terrorist siege of Baghdad and Iraq has collapsed. He blamed unnamed foreign nations for funding the terrorist wave against his nation, and hailed the new Iraqi Army for its tenacity against the radicals of all stripes. While he kept his praise to the Iraqis, the unspoken truth is that the IA could never have survived it without the Bush administration’s shift in strategy and tactics in January 2007, and without George Bush’s tenacity in insisting that we stay and finish the job in Iraq.

And what have we won? AQ has sustained an unmitigated defeat in Iraq.

They have lost tens of thousands of recruits and fighters, men that would have otherwise volunteered for other missions in which they didn’t have to face the American military. They have lost their supposedly divine endorsement; why would Allah have called them to action, just to see them destroyed by the infidels? The sheer bloodthirstiness of their actions in Iraq have exposed them as drug-driven demons, not righteous jihadists.

The Times of London has this right: the victory in Mosul gives the West the most spectacular victory of the war. Too bad the American media missed it.


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Thank you Gen. Patraeus and thank you to all the brave men and women who fought and defeated a ruthless enemy in Iraq so we didn't have to fight them here back home in our streets and cities like we did on 9/11.

The United States military kicks ass!!
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Yep...just another couple months and we'll have the situation fully under control

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MARK L declares: .....so we didn't have to fight them here back home in our streets and cities like we did on 9/11.

SH: Neither your city in Texas nor mine in Florida, nor anyone else in the USA had to "fight Them" here on 9/11/01

It was a four punch fight and Americans did not throw a one on that fateful day.
 

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Al-qaeda wouldnt be in iraq if we werent there and hussein was president.Sell your bullshit somewhere else.Most people here are too intelligent to fall for that bullshit propaganda.Its hard to believe that somebody with above average intelligence,such as yourself,actually believes the shit you post.I think this is why people say that you are a paid poster.Look man,the cat's out of the bag about iraq.Most people now know that its a bullshit occupation,including you.
 
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Al-qaeda wouldnt be in iraq if we werent there and hussein was president.Sell your bullshit somewhere else.Most people here are too intelligent to fall for that bullshit propaganda.Its hard to believe that somebody with above average intelligence,such as yourself,actually believes the shit you post.I think this is why people say that you are a paid poster.Look man,the cat's out of the bag about iraq.Most people now know that its a bullshit occupation,including you.

rollywood,

So, enlighten me please, you are clearly saying that the
report by the Times of London is bullshit propaganda. Which part
of this newspaper report are we supposed to dismiss as bullshit, those of us
with above average intelligence?
 

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we'll be home for Christmas boys

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Kinda lazy Copying your posts from Summer 2003, Summer 2004, Summer 2005, Summer 2006 and Summer 2007
 
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Rolly,

Here is the complete London Times article. Please oh please
enlighten me oh One of High Intelligence what is bullshit
propaganda and what is not.




July 6, 2008
Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda

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After being forced from its strongholds in the west and centre of Iraq in the past two years, Al-Qaeda’s dwindling band of fighters has made a defiant “last stand” in the northern city of Mosul.
A huge operation to crush the 1,200 fighters who remained from a terrorist force once estimated at more than 12,000 began on May 10.
Operation Lion’s Roar, in which the Iraqi army combined forces with the Americans’ 3rd Armoured Cavalry Regiment, has already resulted in the death of Abu Khalaf, the Al-Qaeda leader, and the capture of more than 1,000 suspects.
<!--#include file="m63-article-related-attachements.html"--><!-- BEGIN: Module - M63 - Article Related Attachements --><script type="text/javascript"><!-- function pictureGalleryPopup(pubUrl,articleId) { var newWin = window.open(pubUrl+'template/2.0-0/element/pictureGalleryPopup.jsp?id='+articleId+'&&offset=0&&sectionName=WorldIraq','mywindow','menubar=0,resizable=0,width=615,height=655'); } //--></script><!-- BEGIN: Comment Teaser Module --> <!-- END: Module - M63 - Article Related Attachements --> The group has been reduced to hit-and-run attacks, including one that killed two off-duty policemen yesterday, and sporadic bombings aimed at killing large numbers of officials and civilians.
Last Friday I joined the 2nd Iraqi Division as it supported local police in a house-to-house search for one such bomb after intelligence pointed to a large explosion today.
Even in the district of Zanjali, previously a hotbed of the insurgency, it was possible to accompany an Iraqi colonel on foot through streets of breeze-block houses studded with bullet holes. Hundreds of houses were searched without resistance but no bomb was found, only 60kg of explosives.
American and Iraqi leaders believe that while it would be premature to write off Al-Qaeda in Iraq, the Sunni group has lost control of its last urban base in Mosul and its remnants have been largely driven into the countryside to the south.
Nouri al-Maliki, Iraq’s prime minister, who has also led a crackdown on the Shi’ite Mahdi Army in Basra and Baghdad in recent months, claimed yesterday that his government had “defeated” terrorism.
“They were intending to besiege Baghdad and control it,” Maliki said. “But thanks to the will of the tribes, security forces, army and all Iraqis, we defeated them.”
The number of foreign fighters coming over the border from Syria to bolster Al-Qaeda’s numbers is thought to have declined to as few as 20 a month, compared with 120 a month at its peak.
Brigadier General Abdullah Abdul, a senior Iraqi commander, said: “We’ve limited their movements with check-points. They are doing small attacks and trying big ones, but they’re mostly not succeeding.”
Major-General Mark Hertling, American commander in the north, said: “I think we’re at the irreversible point.”
 
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Rolly would rather it was 1200 American troops getting crushed,
that way he could keep bitching about Bush, the war, and
the war-mongers.

True?
 

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ZIT, the guys getting quoted in this coverage are the guys who are being paid huge salaries to promote "Success".

Much like the thousands of county sheriffs, narc detectives and other drug warring cops and prosecutors who for the past 37 years repeatedly assure Americans we are "winning the War on Drugs".
 
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ZIT, the guys getting quoted in this coverage are the guys who are being paid huge salaries to promote "Success".

Much like the thousands of county sheriffs, narc detectives and other drug warring cops and prosecutors who for the past 37 years repeatedly assure Americans we are "winning the War on Drugs".

So basically the whole London Times article is a lie? OK, not beyond
the realm of impossible, and you know this to be factual you are posting
from Iraq?
 
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ZIT, the guys getting quoted in this coverage are the guys who are being paid huge salaries to promote "Success".

Much like the thousands of county sheriffs, narc detectives and other drug warring cops and prosecutors who for the past 37 years repeatedly assure Americans we are "winning the War on Drugs".

Ok, let me get this straight. When the media reports all the shit
going on in the war, they are telling the truth, and when they
report successes they are lying? Wow, I think I got it. I'm
enlightened.
 

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There have been no terrorists attacks against US interests since 9/11 because OBL found god, he's a born again Muslim terrorist, and he simply chooses to leave us alone.

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So basically the whole London Times article is a lie? OK, not beyond
the realm of impossible, and you know this to be factual you are posting
from Iraq?

I'm saying the bulk of the cited Times coverage is founded on the testimonies of US military brass.

Their honesty and integrity is understandably dubious given they face court martial and other criminal sanctions if they publicly contradict the prevailing claims coming out of the Pentagon and from CinC GW Bush.
 

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Rolly,

Here is the complete London Times article. Please oh please
enlighten me oh One of High Intelligence what is bullshit
propaganda and what is not.




July 6, 2008
Iraqis lead final purge of Al-Qaeda

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After being forced from its strongholds in the west and centre of Iraq in the past two years, Al-Qaeda’s dwindling band of fighters has made a defiant “last stand” in the northern city of Mosul.
A huge operation to crush the 1,200 fighters who remained from a terrorist force once estimated at more than 12,000 began on May 10.
Operation Lion’s Roar, in which the Iraqi army combined forces with the Americans’ 3rd Armoured Cavalry Regiment, has already resulted in the death of Abu Khalaf, the Al-Qaeda leader, and the capture of more than 1,000 suspects.
<!--#include file="m63-article-related-attachements.html"--><!-- BEGIN: Module - M63 - Article Related Attachements --><SCRIPT type=text/javascript><!-- function pictureGalleryPopup(pubUrl,articleId) { var newWin = window.open(pubUrl+'template/2.0-0/element/pictureGalleryPopup.jsp?id='+articleId+'&&offset=0&&sectionName=WorldIraq','mywindow','menubar=0,resizable=0,width=615,height=655'); } //--></SCRIPT><!-- BEGIN: Comment Teaser Module --><!-- END: Module - M63 - Article Related Attachements -->The group has been reduced to hit-and-run attacks, including one that killed two off-duty policemen yesterday, and sporadic bombings aimed at killing large numbers of officials and civilians.
Last Friday I joined the 2nd Iraqi Division as it supported local police in a house-to-house search for one such bomb after intelligence pointed to a large explosion today.
Even in the district of Zanjali, previously a hotbed of the insurgency, it was possible to accompany an Iraqi colonel on foot through streets of breeze-block houses studded with bullet holes. Hundreds of houses were searched without resistance but no bomb was found, only 60kg of explosives.
American and Iraqi leaders believe that while it would be premature to write off Al-Qaeda in Iraq, the Sunni group has lost control of its last urban base in Mosul and its remnants have been largely driven into the countryside to the south.
Nouri al-Maliki, Iraq’s prime minister, who has also led a crackdown on the Shi’ite Mahdi Army in Basra and Baghdad in recent months, claimed yesterday that his government had “defeated” terrorism.
“They were intending to besiege Baghdad and control it,” Maliki said. “But thanks to the will of the tribes, security forces, army and all Iraqis, we defeated them.”
The number of foreign fighters coming over the border from Syria to bolster Al-Qaeda’s numbers is thought to have declined to as few as 20 a month, compared with 120 a month at its peak.
Brigadier General Abdullah Abdul, a senior Iraqi commander, said: “We’ve limited their movements with check-points. They are doing small attacks and trying big ones, but they’re mostly not succeeding.”
Major-General Mark Hertling, American commander in the north, said: “I think we’re at the irreversible point.”
Please refer to Robert McNamara's 11 lessons of war..Specifically these two lessons when it comes to Iraq:

Lesson #7 Belief and seeing are both often wrong

Lesson #11 You can't change human nature
 
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I'm saying the bulk of the cited Times coverage is founded on the testimonies of US military brass.

Their honesty and integrity is understandably dubious given they face court martial and other criminal sanctions if they publicly contradict the prevailing claims coming out of the Pentagon and from CinC GW Bush.

Oh, like the court martial of Lieutenant Colonel Jeffrey Chessani who's life
was destroyed by a punk-ass liar reporter from Time magazine,
Tim McGirk?

[FONT=arial,helvetica] Top Marine Officer Victim of Haditha Propaganda[/FONT]
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A heroic Marine Lt. Colonel called by his superiors "a superb leader, who knows his men, knows the enemy, knows his business," is facing charges sparked by specious Time Magazine stories based on the testimony of known insurgent propagandists.

Lieutenant Colonel Jeffrey Chessani who commanded the 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment in Haditha when members of the unit were ambushed by insurgents was recommended for promotion to colonel by his Division commander, who filed a fitness report calling him one of the most effective combat commanders in Iraq.

Yet Chessani now faces criminal charges arising out of the so-called "Haditha massacre" of November 19, 2005 — even though he was not at the scene.
According to Brian Rooney, a lawyer for the Thomas More Law Center which is voluntarily representing Lt. Col. Chessani, and himself a former Marine captain who served with the unit during the 2nd battle of Fallujah – one of the Corps' most hard-fought combat engagements - his client faces a dishonorable discharge from the Marine Corps, the loss of all his retirement benefits, and a possible 3 years in prison.

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Described by Rooney as a 19-year Marine veteran and the father of 5 young children, who served in the Panama Invasion, the Persian Gulf War, and three tours in Iraq, Chessani, the highest ranking officer charged in the Haditha incident, was given the highest possible recommendation in his fitness report covering the time period of the Haditha incident.

Said Rooney, "The charges against Lieutenant Colonel Chessani were incited by an inflammatory Time magazine headline accusing Marine enlisted men of ‘massacring innocent civilians.' The story was planted by a known terrorist propaganda operative — since discredited. Anti-war Congressman John Murtha, with influence over military appropriations, in an unprecedented action, publicly accused Marine officers of a 'cover-up' even before the investigation of the incident was completed. The subsequent investigation specifically found no ‘cover-up' at any level of command."
Time subsequently was forced to admit that the story, written by their Jerusalem correspondent Tim McGirk, contained a series of egregious errors.
In a March 19th, 2006 story McGirk wrote "In the original version of this story, TIME reported that ‘a day after the incident, a Haditha journalism student videotaped the scene at the local morgue and at the homes where the killings had occurred. The video was obtained by the Hammurabi Human Rights Group, which cooperates with the internationally respected Human Rights Watch, and has been shared with TIME.'" In fact, Human Rights Watch has no ties or association with the Hammurabi Human Rights Group. TIME regrets the error."
On Friday May 26th, 2006, Time's Matthew Cooper wrote "In the original version of this story, TIME reported that 'one of the most damning pieces of evidence investigators have in their possession, John Sifton of Human Rights Watch told Time's Tim McGirk, is a photo, taken by a Marine with his cell phone that shows Iraqis kneeling — and thus posing no threat — before they were shot.' While Sifton did tell TIME that there was photographic evidence, taken by Marines, he had only heard about the specific content of the photos from reports done by NBC, and had no firsthand knowledge. TIME regrets the error."
It's worth noting that no such photographic evidence ever surfaced despite strenuous efforts by investigators to locate it.
Later it turned out that McGirk's so-called "journalism student" was in reality a 43-year old insurgent propagandist Thaer Thabit al-Hadithi who together with Abdul-Rahman al-Mashhadani, another known insurgent propagandist, constituted the entire membership of the Hammurabi Human Rights Group.
Lt. Col. Chessani is the same officer whose official 2006 Combat Fitness Report (a required annual evaluation of a Marine officer's performance) by his Regimental commander Colonel Davis called him "A superb leader, who knows his men, knows the enemy, knows his business."

Moreover, Davis recommended him for promotion and the reviewing Major General Huck added that Lieutenant Colonel Chessani has "unlimited potential and value to the Marine Corps." He also recommended him for promotion.

The report continues: "Leads Marines from front in every operation. Demonstrates moral courage everyday. Doesn't hesitate to report bad news fast or contest unrealistic plans/poor concepts. Despite the complexity and size of his AO (area of operations), he always maintains a calm, cool demeanor."

"Always seeks advantage over complex, diverse insurgent enemy. Truly one of the finer thinkers in this COIN (counterinsurgency) environment."

"One of the top 3 infantry/Cav Bn cmdrs of 13 who have served with RCT –2 (the regiment) during OIF. A superb leader, who knows his men, knows the enemy, knows his business. Doesn't attract a lot of fanfare; just gets the job done to an exceedingly high standard."

"Long ball hitter; recommend selection for promotion to Colonel and TLS [Top Level School]."

The Reviewing Officer, Major General Huck added his comments: "Top notch officer with outstanding potential. Promote and select for TLS (top level school). Post TLS slate for Regimental command and subsequent joint tour. Unlimited potential and value to the Marine Corps. Capable of the most challenging assignments."

Despite these glowing evaluations of an extraordinary Marine officer Rooney charged that Lieutenant Colonel Chessani was accused of failing to investigate and properly report the incident to his superiors.

As NewsMax has previously reported, however, testimony by an intelligence officer, much of it given in secret proceedings, clearly showed that mountains of classified evidence including videos shot by an unmanned aerial vehicle, transcripts of radio traffic covering the entire day's battle, intercepted insurgent communications, and other highly classified information proved that the entire command structure including Lt. Colonel Chessani were fully informed of the day's events which made it obvious that since the full story was known in the immediate aftermath of the engagement, no further investigation was warranted.

"The heart of one of the reasons why we took Lt. Col. Chessani's case besides wanting to defend him, is that we also believe that this case is going to effect how the Marine Corps in America fights now and in the future," Rooney told NewsMax.com.

"It's going to have a definite outcome on whether or not Marines will have the ability to properly defend themselves or not, and the outcome of this case literally will either cost Marines' lives or save Marines' lives."

The Thomas More Law Center, a national public interest law firm based in Ann Arbor, Michigan, is defending Lieutenant Colonel Chessani against the charges, and believes he is being sacrificed for the sake of placating anti-war critics.

In a statement Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Law Center, commented, "We are eating our own, and the terrorists are laughing in their caves. Because of them one of the most effective Marine combat commanders in Iraq has been eliminated by his own government. The testimony we will elicit at the Article 32 hearing, which begins on May 30th, will show just how ridiculous and politically motivated these charges are."
 

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If not Iraq, where would you prefer to fight them?

He doesn't think they were terrorists before we tricked them to mass in numbers.

They were all boyscouts working on their Eagle badges in Syria.
 

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