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Decided to write this thread early as I am comfortable with the spot and have already taken the number as I anticipate line movement in this game. But before providing my reasoning on the Detroit/New Jersey game let me make a brief comment about Game 1 of the Indiana/Miami match-up.

As expected, most of the action has gone on the Pacers, but this is a rather unique game situation. I can't recall the last time a team had to wait 12 days to play it's next playoff game. In most cases, a lengthy layoff, usually shorter than this, results in the team being a bit off, at least early, in it's shooting, as practice is never the same as game like speed and pace. No doubt the Pacers are talented, deeper, more experienced, and play great defense and somewhere during the game will adjust to the pace of the game. The question is when. The Heat meanwhile come off an intense seven game battle with the Hornets, are young, talented, not exceptionally deep but pace prepared as they only played two days ago. However, their enthusiam over beating the Hornets in the seventh game was obvious and although they are happy to move on, will they be mentally prepared for the Pacers? With these thoughts in mind, I don't have either an opinion or a lean on the side or total of this game as there are too many questions to be answered. Thus, I will be passing this game and watching for any match-up edges that might present themselves for future games in the series.

Now as for the Detroit/New Jersey game, I have had to rethink this series after carefully watching Game 1. I fully anticipated a highly competitive, intensely fought series, but there were a number of alarming things that were apparent in the first game. I will run through some of my observations. There is a distinct edge in player match-ups to the Pistons. Inside, at center, Ben Wallace clearly dominates the post and Jason Collins is of almost little to no value. Ben is able to both score as well as dominate the boards and play great defense. At forward, Rasheed Wallace and Kenyon Martin appear to balance each other out but I noticed that the height advantage of Wallace is clear as he is able to shoot over Martin as well as keep Martin from getting inside. Thus, I noticed Martin is having to try and create more plays then being able to set-up inside awaiting a pass from Jason Kidd or Kerry Kittles. At the other forward, Tayshaun Prince has quickly come of age and his length is causing counterpart Richard Jefferson problems in trying to drive to the hoop. Jefferson surprisingly looked very tentative in his outside shooting in Game 1 and that must improve if the Nets are to have any chance in this series. He was the teams leading scorer during the regular season. Prince meanwhile is driving and scoring as well as hitting his open looks. Overall, the inside presence of Wallace, Wallace and Prince both offensively and defensively is very, very formidable and has caused the Nets to try and create from the outside which is not to their strength. At guard, Jason Kidd has an overall edge over Chauncy Billups, but his edge is somewhat nullified by his inability to find open teammates inside for scoring opportunities. He was constantly looking inside and often had to take late jump shots as nothing was available and his outside shooting can be suspect at times. Kerry Kittles provided an outlet for him and started well but it is difficult to continue to shoot long range successfully on the road. Meanwhile, counterpart Richard Hamilton was able to find some, but not a lot, of room to make some plays both in driving and from the perimeter. Off the bench, the Pistons bring Okur, Hunter, and Williamson while the Nets bring Rodgers, Harris and Williams. Once again the inside edge and shooting edge goes to the Pistons. The Nets are at their best when they can get out and run on missed shots, but it was noticeable how quickly the Pistons got back so the Nets had very few easy opportunities. Also, the Nets players were forced to be individually creative because of the dominant inside presence and length of the Pistons. This is far from their strength. Overall, the Pistons hold a huge edge in personnel match-ups, bench depth, defense and style of play that takes the Nets out of their game. Give credit to the Net defense, which itself is very good, in holding the Pistons to 78 points. That said, however, from my view, it was no accident that the Nets could only manage 56 points. Suspect they can and will score more in Game 2, but the Pistons seem on a mission to hold their opponents below 70 points in each game if they can and in this match-up seem to be capable of doing so as the last regular season game, they beat the Nets 89-71 as well. The line on this game is currently lower then the closing line of 5.5 or 6 in Game 1, so very fair indeed. Hence,

1* Detroit -5

Overall Unit Record YTD: (179-146.4)(+32.6) 5*(1-0)(+5.0) 3*(10-6)(+10.2) 1*(144-114-5)(+17.4)
Overall W/L Record YTD: (155-120-5) 56.36%

NBA Regular Season Final Record YTD: (17-12-2)(+5.8)
NBA Playoff Record YTD: (5-6)(-1.6)

Plays are rated 1*-5*

Good Luck All.
 
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I agree with you here Ted, line has'nt been adjusted, my # is det -8. As always GL, ps we were both correct in last nights game. Keep up the good work my friend
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Ted -

Naturally, you may be right. I certainly think the Nets will be hard pressed to win two games in this series, and the coaching mis-match is gigantic. That being said, this isn't the first time when a team which simply doesn't match up well as has borne that out in spades, nonetheless bounces back from an utter humiliation, especially in a Game 2. The key components for the Nets playing beyond their talents for one game, this game, in response to the 89-71 at home and particularly the 78-56 are...having a top shelf PG and leader in Kidd AND a cohesive group which has been through a lot together. Nets 8-0 ATS off a playoff loss v. the East.

Comparatively, I had no opinion in the SA-LA Game 2. No humiliation bounce, no single identifiable leader, no cohesiveness AND going against a determined champion which has won in this round and subsequent ones several times.
 
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Ted: The thing that people are missing here is that Kidd is a great player, but not a very good shooter, if Det shuts him down from penetration into the paint which they did very well in Game#1 NJ is in big trouble, Det plays great transition "D" so the lay-ups are scarce, anyone supporting NJ in game 2 please tell me where the scoring is going to come from, this series is a mismatch much like all round 1's were, NJ does'nt match up at all with Det at any position. GL TED with you on this one. CASH
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Ted....You are right on! The Nets don't matchup against the Pistons at all. They looked like a JV squad in game 1. Maybe I'm guilty of over-analyzing the line, but can't understand why would books that are getting killed on Favs put out an opening line of Det-5.

Zig-Zag theory has not worked! After the Nets stunk it up, would you put up a 5 knowing the line will go up and get exposed to being sided or middled? It just doesn't make sense to me! Game 1 closed a Det-6, they crush the Nets and the books open Det-5.

Who's backing the Nets here? Just like you said the line is 5.5/6 and rising. If it goes to 7, I'll have to make a play on the Nets for value's sake. What am I missing here Ted?


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Hello Ted,

I want my first post in your thread. Have been lurking on this forum since middle of January. Just wanted to come on and say how much I appreciate your insight and knowledge. Thanks for everything and keep up the good work. I'm with you on Detroit.
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Hey Ted!

I like your call! As a matter of fact I love the call! Let's win GL to ALL!
 

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Would like to make a brief comment as this thread is generating thoughtful responses that hopefully are valuable to the forum. None of us know for sure what the outcome of any particular game will be and what we strive to do is evaluate to the best of our ability how we think a match-up will unfold. Therefore, all opinions of substance will always be respected by this oldman, even those that may differ. With that being said, I will briefly respond to a few of the respondents to this thread.

Cash: I think we envision this game similiarly and hopefully the contest will play out the way we anticipate.


Gary: In my humble opinion you haven't missed anything here. I have mentioned in previous threads that in the playoffs, the linesmaker adjusts the line off the previous game line and normally a half point to a point from the team that lost, with the logic that the losing team will be more likely to try and adjust and the winning team will be satisfied with their previous game plan. Plus, the other side of the counter anticipates the player will take the losing side in a "must win" situation and makes the player pay a price. This is where and when line value can become available. Thus, in this case the opening number being 5.


Dolphin: I have the utmost respect for Jason Kidd as well as the Nets team experience and will to win. That being said, when I evaluate a game, I try not to concentrate on one exceptional player but rather each individual match-up and game plan and approached this game no differently. Very much aware of the embarassment factor, but sometimes if the fundamentals are not in place, it is not enough to overcome the match-up differences. As for the Nets 8-0 ATS record off a playoff loss versus the East, that record applies against previous teams with different personnel. I am a fundamental handicapper and not a trend handicapper, although am aware of the trend. But, I never let it deter me from what I may envision fundamentally. Respect your thoughts and reply and wish you the very best throughout the playoffs.


Meyer Lansky: Enough said. Best of luck to you tonight.


Mr. Leisure: Once again, this oldman is humbled when a new poster chooses to make their very first post such a kind reply in one of my threads. I often wonder how those that choose to view one of my threads might be doing and am always hopeful that somehow I may have helped them be successful in this business. I recently received a similiar post from another member who registered to express their appreciation. Let me return the same. Your comments help keep this oldman trying his best to provide my thoughts and helpful information in order that our fellow posters, members and viewers can have a successful season. Best wishes to you for success throughout the playoffs as well as any of life's endeavors.
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Newbee_KC: Glad to see you feel comfortable with the play. Reference was to you above to Mr. Leisure. Hopefully, we will be successful together tonight. As always, my best wishes to you throughout the playoffs.
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I wish I had some very pertinent info to share, but have not followed the nba very closely this year. However, my 'knee-jerk' reaction is that NJ will come out on fire after the last humiliation and keep it close despite the player mis-matches espoused by several knowledgeable people here. I think this game is a question of NJ's heart vs the two teams playing to 'form.' So often, in all professional sports, a lesser team rises up to the occasion and bounces back from a humiliating defeat. Obviously, based on Gm #1 and analysis of the two teams, the line should be Detroit minus double digits, but the savvy gambler knows good pro teams hate to get humiliated twice in a row, with the possible exception of the Lakers, the sLAcKERS as I refer to them.

My main comment is: I wish more threads at this site could mimic this thread. To me, this is what this site should be all about. Thoughtful analysis and respect for other's insightful opinions.

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Great call on Detroit Ted. I thought it was over at half time but we got a miracle comeback in the second half.

Thanks and good luck tomorrow.
 

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Nice job Ted! Your explanation was well thought out and clear. I didn't take the Nets, small Over, thanks.

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