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Homosexuality: What would Jesus do?


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[size=-1]Posted: November 9, 2004
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Patricia Ireland, former president of the National Organization of Women, raised what probably sounded like a good question to some recently.

She asked during a debate on the Fox News Channel: "If ... lesbian and gay rights issues were such a serious kind of value, a core value, why did Jesus never talk about them?"

Of course, the answer is that homosexuals have no special rights that distinguish what they do and who they are. They have only the same rights the rest of humanity has. The question should be more appropriately asked of people like Ireland, who pretend to be Christians, while asserting values that are contrary to the Christian faith and the Judeo-Christian tradition.



That was her question. And that is the appropriate answer to the question she asked. But I'm not sure she was asking the right question. Let me see if I can more properly frame the question to help her out.

If the institution of marriage as we know it between one man and one woman is such an important value, a core value of the Christian faith, why did Jesus never talk about it?

The answer to that question, of course, is that He did. He did so explicitly. He defined it clearly. And His definition leaves no room for same-sex unions.



And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

– Matthew 19:4-6


That's what Jesus Himself said about marriage. It's also a very strong statement about the fact that men and women were made for each other. There's no talk here of civil unions. There's no suggestion here of domestic partnerships. There's no hint here that men should fool around with men and that women should fool around with women.

It's a straightforward statement that alone should clarify any misconceptions about what Jesus thought and believed and commanded insofar as sexual unions.

But the Bible and the Christian faith are based on much more than the words spoken by Jesus, who explained that He did not come to overturn the law but to fulfill it. That means the basic commandments of the Hebrew Scriptures didn't change when Jesus came along. And those laws are crystal clear in condemning homosexuality as an abomination in the sight of God – as they are in the inspired teachings of Paul in the New Testament.

Jesus Himself was referring to the law as laid out in Genesis 2:24: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."

My point is that people like Patricia Ireland, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton like to pretend they are operating under the same value system that led to Western Civilization, the same value system that resulted in the founding of America, the same value system that was taught by Jesus and the Hebrew prophets before Him.

They are not. They are operating under different values. They are only pretending to have a different interpretation of those values. That is why they are so uncomfortable talking about values. Because they are in constant fear you will find them out – that you will discover they are operating under a completely different worldview.

But it's important to recognize what their game is.

It doesn't matter to them what Jesus taught. But they know it still matters to enough Americans. And if enough Americans see through their charade, then they can't win elections. And if they can't win elections, they can't impose their different morality on you.



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Joseph Goebbels used extracts from the Bible to assist him in the persecution and alienment of Jews, homosexuals etc.

You just joined a select band of people today Patriot.

Jesus would be very proud of you.
 
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...shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

– Matthew 19:4-6

Pat, there are two things I read from this:

- it doesn't address homsexuality whatsoever

- if you strictly interpret it, itr forbids divorce. lotta sinning christians out there if that's the case.
 

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I would be careful of quoting stuff from the Old testament. That can open up a can of worms.

How would you justify in this day and age stoning a woman if she cheated on her husband?
 

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I wrote an essay in Grade 11 at my Catholic high school arguing the Jesus and the Apostles were actually an underground homosexual organisation. It's certainly more plausible than all this Rapture hooey. My teacher gave me an 'A', but I also found myself in detention for a week.

So, to answer your question, 'What would Jesus do?' In my opinion, Jesus would applaud those who seek the goodness in people, and would admonish those who would prefer to stifle someone, rather than cherish them.
 

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Bush and Kerry have the same stance on Same Sex Unions ...
Yeah but only one had the balls to say so.

Mud I personally don't give a fxck.IMO gays are children of the lord too.You are ulitimatley judged by your heart not your glory hole.
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X,

Your essay story is pretty funny. reminds me of the George Carlin story where he got in trouble in Catholic School for asking the question:

"Father, if God is so all-powerful and all-knowing, can he make a rock that's so big that even he can't lift it?"
 

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You are ulitimatley judged by your heart not your glory hole.
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I nominate this for quote of the year.

Seriously.

I dont care that much about the topic myself to be honest, just think the writer didn't make his point with his Scripture quote, is all.
 

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mudbone said:
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Your essay story is pretty funny. reminds me of the George Carlin story where he got in trouble in Catholic School for asking the question:

"Father, if God is so all-powerful and all-knowing, can he make a rock that's so big that even he can't lift it?"

I got into trouble on a near-consistent basis in Catholic school. We had a priest come to our classroom in grade 9 to 'get to know' the younger generation. Kinda Q&A type thing. So, my question is why can't women be priests and I get some lame 'tradition' and 'Jesus was a man' and blah blah. So I get into an argument with the priest and finally announce that I'm going to major in Theology, become a deacon (women can do that) and then when the Bishop rejects my application for the priesthood I'm going to sue the Catholic Church. Suspended for three days.

Funny, since I was not a rebellious teenager in any other respect. Just something about organised religion and its moral self-righteousness that always rubbed me the wrong way.

(I always say to the creationists: if humans and earth and all that are so complex that the Big Bang theory, Darwin's evolution, and metaphysics cannot explain our existence, but the theory of God and Creation can, then how do you explain the Creation of God? Seems to me the Creator would be the most difficult thing to create.)
 
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Patriot:

True ... and only one had the balls to make fun of not being able to find WMD's ...

That stunt by Bush said it all about the man's "character"
 

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