Offshore bookmakers are sleeping Tonight!!!

chips · Dec 17, 2003

I posted this on MajorWager at halftime of the Duke game and should hvae posted it here as well.

It hilarious what goes on sometimes out there, no brain Don Best Copying Monkeys, LMAO!!! They all deserve to lose 50k on this Duke 2h Total but they will probably luck into something. Tonight Duke-Princeton total is around 129, as a general guide thats around 61 1h and 68 2h, give or take othr details thats the general line. Olympic opens the 2nd H total 1st like always, but Spiro Added wrong and opened 77 not 67, it happens to the best of us, but here is the funny part. EVERY OTHER BM ON THE SCREEN COPIED OLYMPICS MISTAKE!!!!!!!!! LMAO. There were 77's and 78's everywhere, lol. Spiro catches his mistake and immediately goes to 70.5, these other books have no idea whats going on and are getting steamed under, look at the line history on this game is F#cking hilarious!! Copying someone else line without thinking about it is recipe for disaster and they all deserve to get buried tonight. In defense of the Prinicples of these books I know there are a lot of XMAS parties tonight and many of the main guys are not around, but its still HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[This message was edited by chips on December 18, 2003 at 02:24 PM.]

[This message was edited by chips on December 18, 2003 at 03:23 PM.]

TheGeneral+ · Dec 17, 2003

Spiro is sitting on a goldmine.

Guess some people have to

chips · Dec 18, 2003

Spiro shoukd do this once a week to bury the copycats!

HollywoodSportsbook · Dec 18, 2003

That was rather harsh, my dear shoebox-chips. And as much as I hate to admit we made a mistake, we will admit to it. But I feel I need to speak up here:

To begin with, Fernando and Martino were not here at the time of the event. These guys put 25 hours a day and they thought they could take it easy last nite (Martino left after 13 hours work only, that's what he calls taking it easy); sure enough mistakes like these happen when the big guns are not around. When I came in this morning and I read your thread, I felt bad. Upset at us for having made the mistake and at you for the low blow. And let me tell you why it was a low blow: WE PUT A LOT OF WORK, EFFORT AND PRIDE ON OUR ORIGINAL NUMBERS and not once has Fernando cloned Spiros's numbers. We're putting a lot of work on our prop bets too, by a very saavy and knowledgable team of people and our customers have always found value in our original props. Not a single prop has been copied from the Greek. Don't get us wrong, we respect the man a great deal, but we also respect ourselves enough to not be a clone shop. But if somebody reads your thread, they might get the impression that we're a clone shop and there's nothing farther from the truth than that. Your style of post makes no justice to reality.

People know and respect Fernando for his numbers. When you said "Holly", it might seem that Fernando was behind the mistake, but he wasn't. It was one of our line supervisors and no, we're not gonna fire him. It's human to err.

Gentlemen;

We are all about business and business conducted in the right way. We have put a lot of effort earning a reputation and we cannot afford to have it smeared by ONE SINGLE MISTAKE. Last night, one of our line supervisors made a mistake and we will admit to it. We did post the wrong number for Duke's 2nd H. Why? Well, our guy thought it was easier to follow suite than picking up the phone and make a call. A honest mistake, not a pattern of behaviour. Have we ever copied numbers off of the screen? You guys know us better that that. We make our own numbers. When I read this thread, it felt odd to be called a clone; as we're far from being one.

So I ask the man: "Fernando, what should the right number look like, in a case like this?" He said (in general terms): "Will, as an approximative only and for college foots only, you take your total, divide it by 2 and subtract about 4.5 points for the 1st half and add about 4.5 points for the 2nd half...But remember, this is an approximation, not a rule. A number of other factors are also to be included".

So, in general terms and to illustrate this example:

Let's say a college hoops game total is sitting @ 140; 1st half should look like this:
1H= 140 / 2 - 4.5 (approx)
1H= 65.5 (approx)

Second Half:
2H= 140 / 2 +4.5 (approx)
2H= 74.5 (approx)

The man has been in the industry making numbers for nearly 3 decades now, I figured that when the man speaks, I listen. And what does that mean to our customers? It means that we will guarantee the originality of our numbers. Throughout this Bowl Season and for many years to come. Those of you gentlemen that play with us, you guys know this.

Thanks for your time, gentlemen.

Will
Hollywood International
1-800-220-0002

[This message was edited by Hollywood Sportsbook on December 21, 2003 at 05:32 PM.]

BuckFush · Dec 18, 2003

Changing gears, has anyone reported having the "bad line" rule invoked due to playing this 2nd half?

mvbski · Dec 18, 2003

Will,

chips · Dec 18, 2003

Hey Will, I ended my post with the fact that some of the Main Guys might be out of the office due to various XMas parties, maybe you missed that??? It was sort of a discalimer on the post not to offend anyone, but you took offense to it, why is that???

YOU DIDNT MAKE A MISTAKE LAST NIGHT, YOU COPIED ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats the problem I have, everyone makes mistakes, no one is immune. I am not taking a shot at someone making a mistake, ITS ABOUT COPYING SOMEONE ELSE MISTAKE!!

MY POST WAS ABOUT THIS GAME AND THIS GAME ONLY, NOT ABOUT BOOKS IN GENRAL!

You obviously took offense to my post and I cant figure out why, maybe you are hiding something??

HollywoodSportsbook · Dec 18, 2003

Buck Fush;

We made a mistake, we will honor it.

Shit happens and it happened yesterday. Why would the player have to pay?

Will

HollywoodSportsbook · Dec 18, 2003

Chips:

So you call us idiots and a clone shop, yet your disclaimer should fix it? A disclaimer that it's half insinuation, half statement? Please chips.

Will

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SoundofSilence · Dec 18, 2003

Hollywood:

So out of all of the games on the board last night, it just so happened that the one your guy screwed up bigtime on was the same one that Olympic made an initial mistake on, and then corrected?

And it also just so happens that the line your guy put out was nearly IDENTICAL to the original "screw up" line Olympic put out.

I have no idea one way or the other how you do 99% of your lines -- whether its by copying or generating them yourselves... But your reputation as being honest is certainly brought into question when you try to BS your way on this one. Just admit that maybe your "big guns" weren't around last night for one reason or another and the guy working the book late last night copied the line from another book. It's much more believable than that fairy tale you just tried to spin.

chips · Dec 18, 2003

Look Jackass, HOW MUCH MONEY DO I OWE YOU?????

I will drop that off with you right now??

Its amazing that Books hire people with no F#cking clue!

BuckFush · Dec 18, 2003

Hollywood I was absolutely not insinuating that your shop in particular would do such a thing. The thread was about the bad line that was posted and it was brought up last night that some shady shops may invoke this rule. That's all I was asking and I apologize if it seemed like I was singling you out.

I'm glad you are paying on this line.

mvbski · Dec 18, 2003

read it he said they were gone

chips · Dec 18, 2003

I was trying to be nice with you, didnt single out anyone, just informing posters about what goes on offshore, you took offense and came back with this gem!

"So, in general terms and to illustrate this example:

Let's say a collegee foots game total is sitting @ 140; 1st half should look like this:
1H= 140 / 2 - 4.5 (approx)
1H= 65.5 (approx)

Second Half:
2H= 140 / 2 +4.5 (approx)
2H= 74.5 (approx"

LMAO, whens the last time you saw a Football total at 140????????
LEt me guess you copied that mistake as well, get a life!

HollywoodSportsbook · Dec 18, 2003

Gentlemen;

Let me 100% clear here.

1. Our line supervisor made a mistake, we admitted to that.

2. Our main concern is to stand our ground. Chips called us "idiots" and "a clone shop". We made one mistake, we invite you gentlemen to point out the lines that we clone. I will openly discuss this with you guys.

3. I have not called chips any names.

4. A reputation is all you have in the offshore industry. We take offense on being called a clone shop, especially after all our hard work and sustained effort to post our own numbers.

5.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>LMAO, whens the last time you saw a Football total at 140????????
LEt me guess you copied that mistake as well, get a life!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was used as a theorical example. Just a number as any other.

Will

[This message was edited by Hollywood Sportsbook on December 21, 2003 at 05:31 PM.]

HollywoodSportsbook · Dec 18, 2003

Sound of silence, you posted this:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>But your reputation as being honest is certainly brought into question when you try to BS your way on this one. Just admit that maybe your "big guns" weren't around last night for one reason or another and the guy working the book late last night copied the line from another book. It's much more believable than that fairy tale you just tried to spin. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you read my post above (before yours), you'll read this:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>To begin with, Fernando and Martino were not here at the time of the event. These guys put 25 hours a day and they thought they could take it easy last nite (Martino left after 13 hours work only, that's what he calls taking it easy); sure enough mistakes like these happen when the big guns are not around.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>We did post the wrong number for Duke's 2nd H. Why? Well, our guy thought it was easier to follow suite than picking up the phone and make a call.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Will

chips · Dec 18, 2003

Hey Will, just remeber I know alot about Hollywood and if you want to keep personal and attack me and not my post, you and Holly will become fair game. I dont want to say stuff on here that I will regret later and you dont want some of this stuff out there either, the ball is in your court now, I have refrained so far and will TRY TO REFRAIN SOME MORE.

TheGeneral+ · Dec 18, 2003

All parties, please refrain from personal info and/or attacks. The debate is good but no reason to possibly say things that may later be regretted.

Peace

BoratSagdiyev · Dec 18, 2003

Father and Clone

Has anyone seen this movie?

chips · Dec 18, 2003

Will, I made a post that was relevant to offshore gambling. I also stated there are various XMAS parties going on and to be fair the main men of these books may not have been around.

Fact is that all books copied Olympics mistake last night, Hollywood being one of them, if you would like to refute that, go ahead. I have no problem with books and or people making mistakes, I make them everyday along with the rest of the free world. My problem was the copying of someone else mistake and you get what you deserve.

Do I owe Hollywood Sportsbook any money, because if i do I would like to send you a Neteller right now, If I dont owe you any money, stick to what you know. If personal attacks on me and are continued, Hollywoods buisness is fair game, I lived in Costa Rica and actually played Golf a few times with the Big Guy there, your boss, so I may know a few things that you wouldnt want public and I would like to keep it that way.