Obama's just jumped from a C to a B overall grade

[gtc08]

I love this new expanding health care bill. Being completely financed by a hike on federal sales tax on cigarettes.

 

[tiznow]

funded by taxation on an industry who's sales volume continues to slow

it sounds nice on paper

as does most liberal logic

 

[gtc08]

trust me, it'll be fine. people arn't going to stop smoking. and when you pay 50 cents more on your next pack, you can say hey, i'm helping out these kids who arn't covered.

 

[Coldweather]

Interesting but not novel enough in my opinion. Still needs to have more and much more gooder Doctors and Health Care plans for the people that are sick. Needs much more focused medical research and active stem cell activities in my opinion.

:toast:

 

[tiznow]

american cigarette sales volume is decreasing has been for years

there are less packs being sold ever year in america....this is a fact

this is nothing new

the cigarette companies themselves have been raising prices to make up to the declining volumes

internationally is still at growing market for the cig makers

 

[gtc08]

you can have declining sales for 10 years(which i dont believe about declining sales) and you'll still have the program covered.

people arn't going to stop smoking. and i think they'll expand it to tobacco shortly.

 

[punter]

The tax on eek's smokes alone will pay for my hemroid operation.

 

[meltdown]

Would this tax hike on cigs only be levied against those making over a certain income say $200,000? Or were they lying when they stated "those making under $200,000 would see NO increase in taxes only the top 1% would be affected"
Pack a day smoker at .62 per pack increase will have their taxes raised over $225 per year. Smoking is disgusting so it will not have an impact on me. Maybe we could fight obesity and levy taxes on fast food. Change Change Change.

 

[tiznow]

this is why phillip morris broke itself up into 2

MO is the american high litigation risk, high taxation, number of packs being sold declining

PM is the internation market, litigation risk less, lower taxation, number of packs being sold increasing

 

[tiznow]

The tax on eek's smokes alone will pay for my hemroid operation.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Won’t work. Cigarettes can be purchased from Indian smoke shops in person and thru the internet tax free.

 

[tiznow]

people arn't going to stop smoking. and i think they'll expand it to tobacco shortly.

yeah well see when they start moving onto the spitting tobacco stuff

altria bought UST cause people shifting from smoking to spitting more and more

 

[gtc08]

big surprise. righty saying anything obama says wont work. itll work. millions of people still smoke em. nobody is buying cigarettes over the internet. expand it to tobacco and lottery in the next year or so you got a guaranteed winner.

 

[tiznow]

Won’t work. Cigarettes can be purchased from Indian smoke shops in person and thru the internet tax free.

yeah alot more going underground now that they getting ridiculously expensive

as far as state taxes go i know minnesota raised theirs first and people were border jumping to buy cigs in iowa

than iowa raised theirs and people are now border jumping to missouri to buy um

and down south i'm sure people are border jumping to mexico to buy um

 

[Dave007inVegas]

big surprise. lefty saying anything obama says will work.
:grandmais

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Tiz, anyone can buy them tax free from any Indian reservation on the net or from Russia for that matter. I can get a generic brand for $1.11 a pack + shipping.

 

[Willie99]

funded by taxation on an industry who's sales volume continues to slow

it sounds nice on paper

as does most liberal logic

which means that if the program passes, other taxes will be used to pay for it.

of course

I just love libbies selling looney libby ideas, it's always about "all gain and no pain". Fucking snake oil salesman. Did I ever mention "talk is cheap"? Reality is not

 

[punter]

Maybe he can get Bush to show how to end his boom.

 

[tiznow]

which means that if the program passes, other taxes will be used to pay for it.

of course

I just love libbies selling looney libby ideas, it's always about "all gain and no pain". Fucking snake oil salesman. Did I ever mention "talk is cheap"? Reality is not

what's funny is the kids and low income families who may reap the rewards now will end up paying for the red ink it produces down the road at which point the cost will be much more

entitlements are fun!!! :grandmais

 

[tiznow]

for any smokers out there goes into affect on apr 1 2009

so stock up now

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