Obama's glass jaw

[Willie99]

He's staggered and he's flailing. He's knocked off message. He's reduced to attacking and mocking the VP Nominee of his opponent and he looks petty.

He uses and idiotic statement about pigs and lipstick which is a longtime joke, but he has to be able to see how that will play out under the existing circumstances, he didn't. Does anyone think he'll use that line again?

He mocks Palin about earmarks, referring to them as pork. Is he kidding? He's a pork whore, and although he may be right about Palin, he losses this issue big time to McCain. Plus he sounds a tad bit hypocritical.

He's complaining about his opponent stealing his line about "change". Again, that's pathetic. Never mind the fact that "change" line will always be associated with Bill Clinton for anyone over 35, who said the word "change" in every other sentence.

Just as he looked weak at the end of the Democratic primary season, he's looking weak again.

As predicted by some, he has a glass jaw and it's been exposed. He needs new management as he's been reduced to preaching to the choir, and that's not how you win swing votes.

 

[MadTiger]

*yawn*

You are right: change is the whole point. McBush = no change.

 

[BetIt]

Regroup needed big time

McCain dominating the news cycles

 

[Willie99]

as Kirsten Powers sees it

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09092008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/how_obama_blew_it_128132.htm

No, Obama didn't engage in the mass sneering at Palin - but he did fall into the trap of disrespecting her. When McCain chose her, the Obama campaign's first response was to ridicule the size of her town. Then the candidate himself began referring to her as a "former mayor" when she is in fact a sitting governor.
When she retaliated (justifiably) by mocking his stint as a organizer, the Obama camp was clearly rattled. Obama himself actually began arguing about the importance of community organizing. His supporters amplified this cry - claiming Palin's attack was a racist slur and passing around e-mails titled "Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate was a governor."



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you can not win elections being on the defensive

Unfortunately, the little moments create lasting impressions.

"reporting for duty"
"I voted for it before I voted against it"
"It's the economy stupid"
Bush 41 being surprised about the new cash registers in grocery stores was deemed "out of touch"
Michael Dukakis in the tank looked silly, not presidential
the Willie Horton ad
"He's not going to tell you he's going to raise your taxes, I will"
"well, there you go again"
The girl and the mushroom cloud
Nixon sweating and pale on TV, while JFK looked tanned and healthy

Right, wrong or indifferent, this shit has an impact and can swing a close election

 

[Willie99]

This guy fron the NYT is concerned about his boy

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/10/opinion/10friedman.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

Because, while the pollsters tell us it is still really close, my own totally unscientific, seat of the pants poll tells me this: When you say Obama’s name today and ask people for their first impression — a quick, flash, gut, first impression — no single word or phrase or policy comes to mind. His opponents will fill that vacuum if he doesn’t. They already are.

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the article is pro-Obama, but also complaining he's losing this thing

 

[Willie99]

I like the fact that lefties are citing my boy;

MIKE HUCKABEE: It's an old expression, and I'm going to have to cut Obama some slack on that one. I do not think he was referring to Sarah Palin; he didn't reference her. If you take the two soundbites together, it may sound like it. But I've been a guy at the podium many times, and you say something that's maybe a part of an old joke and then somebody ties it in. So, I'm going to have to cut him slack.


I don't think he was trying to attack Sarah Palin this time. I believe it was one of two things.

1) a bad attempt at humor at Palin's expense, and his partisan crowd did love it

2) more likely, it was just a horrible choice of words. He was hesitant during the delivery, suggesting he was debating with himself whether or not to say it, and then decided fuck it, I'm going to say it and throw caution to the wind.

truthfully, I hope nobody from the right continues to raise this issue, as it could eventually backfire much like the lefties' attacks on Palin have.

last I knew, neither McCain nor Palin had talked about it.

 

[tocco05]

For anyone who doesn't believe that he was referring to Plain is naive. It was a shot at her, and it backfired.

 

[D2bets]

For anyone who doesn't believe that he was referring to Plain is naive. It was a shot at her, and it backfired.

It doesn't even make sense. Do you think Obama thinks Palin is a 'pig'? Nobody thinks that. Was McCain calling Hillary a pig last year when he used the phrase in reference to her health care plan? That's a whole lot more plausible.

Obama wasn't even talking about Palin at the time. Everyone just thinks she is the center of the universe now so everything must be in reference to her. What a fraud she is.

McCain/Palin: Building a Bridge to Nowhere -- Thanks, but no Thanks.

 

[JinnRikki]

Willie99
He mocks Palin about earmarks, referring to them as pork. Is he kidding? He's a pork whore, and although he may be right about Palin, he losses this issue big time to McCain.

I keep hearing the right say he's a porker but no evidence is ever offered. I think you may be getting him confused with that fiscally responsible Repug Denny Hastert of Illinois, who was known to be liking the pork (in more ways than one).
The fine people of Illinois have no problem with their senators and representatives bringing home the bacon, just as the folks in other states don't mind theirs. That's what they're expected to do.
Keep shining that McCain turd about how responsible he is while being involved in the Keating mess and more recently going afoul of campaign finance law, you'll make yourselves look even sillier.

 

[tocco05]

It doesn't even make sense. Do you think Obama thinks Palin is a 'pig'? Nobody thinks that. Was McCain calling Hillary a pig last year when he used the phrase in reference to her health care plan? That's a whole lot more plausible.

Obama wasn't even talking about Palin at the time. Everyone just thinks she is the center of the universe now so everything must be in reference to her. What a fraud she is.

McCain/Palin: Building a Bridge to Nowhere -- Thanks, but no Thanks.

Keep spinning.

 

[D2bets]

Keep spinning.

I will as long as you keep lying. %^_

 

[PointGiven]

It doesn't even make sense. Do you think Obama thinks Palin is a 'pig'? Nobody thinks that. Was McCain calling Hillary a pig last year when he used the phrase in reference to her health care plan? That's a whole lot more plausible.

Obama wasn't even talking about Palin at the time. Everyone just thinks she is the center of the universe now so everything must be in reference to her. What a fraud she is.

McCain/Palin: Building a Bridge to Nowhere -- Thanks, but no Thanks.

:nohead:

 

[paftraft]

It doesn't even make sense. Do you think Obama thinks Palin is a 'pig'? Nobody thinks that. Was McCain calling Hillary a pig last year when he used the phrase in reference to her health care plan? That's a whole lot more plausible.

Obama wasn't even talking about Palin at the time. Everyone just thinks she is the center of the universe now so everything must be in reference to her. What a fraud she is.

McCain/Palin: Building a Bridge to Nowhere -- Thanks, but no Thanks.

"Do you think Obama thinks Palin is a 'pig'? Nobody thinks that."

Wrong, your fellow Obama apologist GT8 does!

 

[Willie99]

I keep hearing the right say he's a porker but no evidence is ever offered. I think you may be getting him confused with that fiscally responsible Repug Denny Hastert of Illinois, who was known to be liking the pork (in more ways than one).
The fine people of Illinois have no problem with their senators and representatives bringing home the bacon, just as the folks in other states don't mind theirs. That's what they're expected to do.
Keep shining that McCain turd about how responsible he is while being involved in the Keating mess and more recently going afoul of campaign finance law, you'll make yourselves look even sillier.

JR, I posted his pork requests, using his own press release. It's kinda long, I really don't want to waste bandwidth
http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=612924


see post number 4

 

[JinnRikki]

OK willie, I missed that post.
However after reading it I don't see a problem. As far as I can tell all those requests were for needed programs not something like a bridge going nowhere.
I ask you honestly, would he be a very good senator if he didn't try and get some of his states tax money returned. I think if you find the statistics from a fair source you will see Illinois residents pay quite a bit more in federal taxes than we get in government spending. If I remember correctly we are pretty far down on that list and Alaska is at the top.

 

[Willie99]

JR, I haven't researched in a while, but I think all 50 states get more back than they put in, thus we have crazy deficits.

Alaska is a scarcely populated state vital to national security and energy resources. I think that's why they tend to get more earmarks. I believe Palin reduced the number of earmark requests in her two short years.

As for being a good Senator, AZ loves McCain and he made zero requests for 2008.

 

[Snookslayer]

For anyone who doesn't believe that he was referring to Plain is naive.

Anyone who believes that he was referring to Palin is really just looking for dirt that isn't there.

I don't support Obama, but jeesh... listen to the context. You're reaching on this one.

 

[docslep]

it doesn't matter who he was refering to. the cat is out of the bag. there is nothing he can say now to make it all better. this is politics, and its all about public perception. barak hussein obama came off like an angry 3rd grader, and the republicans will run with it. he is way better as a scripted orator than an off the cuff schmooser. even george stephanopoulis grilled him on sunday and obama seemed shaky and insecure. and george steph.. is a lefty, right?

 

[JinnRikki]

McCain doesn't have to ask for much, it appears his fellow senator Kyle isn't the least bit afraid of asking for pork. http://kyl.senate.gov/media_center/062807 FY08 Funding Requests1.pdf
This chart is from 2005 but it clearly shows not all states get back equally what they pay. http://www.nemw.org/taxburd.htm
It seems Alaska is about #3 in receiving the most federal handouts. You'll also notice Arizona does much better than Illinois.

 

[Willie99]

Damn, CT has the highest burden and the 2nd worst ROI. :sad3:

You bunch of leeches